Question #3766: Creation

[AskSatanOperator]

What's your views on creation?
How the universe came to be did the gods make it do you belive in forces that caused creation or that the gods made everything like the Christians believe one god made all, that smells fishy to me

 

[Invictvs]

HP Maxine got from Lilith that the universe always existed and wasn't created by a being. Again the Yahoo groups archive is down or I would point you to the exact post where she said that. The idea that the universe was created, either by the big bang or by a being, is jewish. That was the general consensus of physicists before the jews invented the "big bang".

 

[Sonne]

The Universe has always existed, it has an infinite age in a finite dimension. The Universe is triangular shaped, this was told to High Priestess Maxine by Lord Thoth.

 

[sinbad]

HP Maxine got from Lilith that the universe always existed and wasn't created by a being. Again the Yahoo groups archive is down or I would point you to the exact post where she said that. The idea that the universe was created, either by the big bang or by a being, is jewish. That was the general consensus of physicists before the jews invented the "big bang".

The Universe has always existed, it has an infinite age in a finite dimension. The Universe is triangular shaped, this was told to High Priestess Maxine by Lord Thoth.

Not OP, but how/why is that possible?

I can't wrap my head around it.

 

[Padme]

I believe similar to other friends that replied before me. There is a concept like endless water/sea in ancient mythologies; Greek, Celtic, Scadinavian, Japanese etc. Water in here symbolize chaos, endlessnes. So things that i try to say divine spark is always there, universe never created but it growed and changed with time.

 

[Sonne]

Not OP, but how/why is that possible?

I can't wrap my head around it.

Even if we know the answers to some questions, we cannot fully understand them until we have reached a certain level of development and wisdom.

 

[sinbad]

Even if we know the answers to some questions, we cannot fully understand them until we have reached a certain level of development and wisdom.

I was just wondering if similar to how most humans don't know who created them, do the God's know for certain or is there some force out there that's even greater than them? Similar to how we observe scientific phenomena; the phenomena itself remains unaware of us.

 

[Hs666]

Not OP, but how/why is that possible?

I can't wrap my head around it.

Because you "filter" the information you have, to give it "meaning." It is normal, it is "human," humans tend to give a "name," a "direction," a "meaning" to all things. This is part of the functioning of your "brain" in order not to "go crazy." The "cognitive simplification."

When your mind is not connected with your higher chakras, "Lower Mind," knowledge and understanding do not "come" and you go into "cognitive simplification." You give yourself an "explanation," based on the information you have.

This function is known to the enemy, who puts "pressure" on it. It removes the truth and detaches people in your "higher mind."

The universe "is." There is nothing "above" "him" nor "below" him. "He" is neither "male" nor "female," neither "good" nor "bad," he is the origin of everything. No one can destroy Him, because "He" is "destruction" and "creation." You cannot go "beyond" Him, because "He" is "everything" and "nothing."

Your "conception" is that creation can only happen through "union," through a "birth" and a "death." But the universe is "birth" and "death." In this world, creation is subject to laws that include birth for the creation of things. This somewhat reflects the universe and its "function."
But it does not determine all things. But some aspects.

In other "places," "death" cannot be understood, because it is not "present," and when you speak to them about death, they will say "how is that possible?"

 

[AFODO]

from what I have gathered:

-The Universe have always existed, and will always exists
-Currently is finite in terems of space, and is triangular. But it can become infinite.
-The astral is infinite, in every single way.

 

[sinbad]

Because you "filter" the information you have, to give it "meaning." It is normal, it is "human," humans tend to give a "name," a "direction," a "meaning" to all things. This is part of the functioning of your "brain" in order not to "go crazy." The "cognitive simplification."

When your mind is not connected with your higher chakras, "Lower Mind," knowledge and understanding do not "come" and you go into "cognitive simplification." You give yourself an "explanation," based on the information you have.

This function is known to the enemy, who puts "pressure" on it. It removes the truth and detaches people in your "higher mind."

The universe "is." There is nothing "above" "him" nor "below" him. "He" is neither "male" nor "female," neither "good" nor "bad," he is the origin of everything. No one can destroy Him, because "He" is "destruction" and "creation." You cannot go "beyond" Him, because "He" is "everything" and "nothing."

Your "conception" is that creation can only happen through "union," through a "birth" and a "death." But the universe is "birth" and "death." In this world, creation is subject to laws that include birth for the creation of things. This somewhat reflects the universe and its "function."
But it does not determine all things. But some aspects.

In other "places," "death" cannot be understood, because it is not "present," and when you speak to them about death, they will say "how is that possible?"

This is exactly the answer I was looking for, thank you.

 

[Mavi ay]

The Universe has always existed, it has an infinite age in a finite dimension. The Universe is triangular shaped, this was told to High Priestess Maxine by Lord Thoth.

The universe is not actually a triangle. This is an allegory related to geometric occultism.

 

[Sonne]

The universe is not actually a triangle. This is an allegory related to geometric occultism.

Yes, it's all about what the triangle symbolises. Important symbols like the "Eye of Ra" are in a triangle. It also relates to light and the refraction of light, so it relates to all levels of the Universe. The Physical Universe is also included in this triangle with the things it symbolises.

To add a little, what High Priestess Maxine is describing here is the physical part of the Universe, which is finite because it does not yet have the concept of infinity. The spiritual realms are infinite, eternal.

 

[AristocraticDragon666]

What's your views on creation?
How the universe came to be did the gods make it do you belive in forces that caused creation or that the gods made everything like the Christians believe one god made all, that smells fishy to me

The Universe has always existed in one form or another.

If you look at the original Freemasonry professed by the Founding Fathers of the United States, they believed in Satan as the Great Architect of the Universe, who, in addition to the existing Universe (which has always been), created humanity, animals and much more.

 

[Stormblood]

The universe being eternal is the only thing that makes sense. With linear logic, you would go in an eternal circle regardless because a first cause doesn't make sense. There would always be something to cause that, and something to go before that as well.

The Big Bang is also a theory. Some scientists subscribe to it, some don't. It cannot be proven, and the most sensible cosmologists and astrophysicist can easily disprove it. Quantum physicists and particle physicists can also easily disprove it. Just think of quarks popping in and out of existence constantly.

 

[Naithedan]

To be clear, I do not know any of this as fact. This is my best theory regarding the topic.

What comes to mind after reading all of this is the famous "As above, so below". What happens in the higher planes, astral etc, manifests in the lower planes where we are. If the astral, spiritual realm has always been. Then it's manifestations have as well. It's just always been here. Things change differently here than on the spiritual plane because of the differences in their forms of existence. Things change according to laws of physics (physical laws) here.

Say you did figure out how to manifest physical objects by way of producing it in the astral and willing it's physical form, an egg perse. Once it is here the egg will eventually rot with age and change according to the laws of our plane. It first existed on the astral when you were forming it, but not before you started forming it. To me this implies that the astral just naturally produces physical forms on it's own and an entity that exists there can as well. To me it implies that our planets and such, are physical reflections of what has always been on the astral. With energy being the active ingredient that makes up our existence by use of the binding agent, the atom, our reality can be shaped by natural means on the astral or intelligent means. The interesting thing about energy is it's kind of like water in some ways. It follows the path of least resistance. (Which is why it's important to do your physical part of a working, doing things that are aligned with the working so as to pave a way for the energy to make it happen. Give it a path with as little resistance as possible). Energy also changes form. It would have to go from astral energy to what is used in the atoms of our plane. (Or are they the same perhaps?)

When something is being physically manifested from the astral, the energy will guide the atoms in the most sensible and easiest way it can for the thing to physically exist. Similar to the way water will carve out a canyon or push rocks and dirt into place in such a way that will allow it to flow. Back to the egg. When the thought is formed and energy is programmed and molded to shape, when a powerful enough will (that I'm not sure any of us are even capable of yet) is applied, the energy has to move atoms into molecules, molecules into cells, into fluids and everything else that makes up that egg so that it can exist. If not specific enough, it could come out an egg made of shit! Haha!

 

[Antireligioso]

sometimes when I dream I manage to have psychic visions of real events, I wanted to understand in what dimension we live and I had a kind of vision in a dream where there are an infinity of universes each contained in a bubble .. so for what I know this it could be one of the many existing universes, so with its own space-time line .. who could have created everything? the question becomes too complicated, who created who created the universe? it is impossible to know it is beyond any understanding conceivable by the mind of the Gods too.