Question #3062: Difference?

[AskSatanOperator]

I heard theres a difference between Luciferian & Satanists...So I'm curious to know is the any difference between the two? & if so whats the difference

 

[Satanic Avenger 666]

You need to be specific because there are many different forms of Satanism and Luciferianism that have completely different beliefs from each other.

There are Atheistic Satanists who don't believe Satan is real, there are Spiritual Satanists (ourselves) who believe Satan is an ancient Pagan God and practice power meditation, there are Traditional Satanists who believe in the Christian version of Satan, there are more esoteric types of Satanists which use the Qliphoth, there are Anti-Cosmic Satanists like the Temple of the Black Light e.t.c.

Similarly, there are Gnostic Luciferians, Theistic Luciferians, Atheistic Luciferians, Pagan Luciferians e.t.c. all of whom believe completely different things from each other.

 

[sublimesatanist]

You need to be specific because there are many different forms of Satanism and Luciferianism that have completely different beliefs from each other.

There are Atheistic Satanists who don't believe Satan is real, there are Spiritual Satanists (ourselves) who believe Satan is an ancient Pagan God and practice power meditation, there are Traditional Satanists who believe in the Christian version of Satan, there are more esoteric types of Satanists which use the Qliphoth, there are Anti-Cosmic Satanists like the Temple of the Black Light e.t.c.

Similarly, there are Gnostic Luciferians, Theistic Luciferians, Atheistic Luciferians, Pagan Luciferians e.t.c. all of whom believe completely different things from each other.

You guys save me the trouble of asking this same question, thanks!

I would like to ask for slight elaboration on Theistic Luciferians though. The concepts and ideas seem almost identical, yet a lot of the occult and spiritual information often seems to come from Qliphoth and alchemy from the enemy. This also appears to be the case for some so called Spiritual Satanists which really confuses me because this creates a point in which they could (in theory) become identical because some SS consider Lucifer as Satan, while some Spiritual Luciferians believe the same thing.

I probably shouldn't think about it too much because I can't imagine there is such a thing any true SS outside of the JoS, yet I do wonder if some SS match our teachings close enough that they could be considered in some capacity allies. Is this wishful thinking? Is it impossible? I can't help but ask myself thrse questions given my empathetic nature.

 

[Invictvs]

I would like to ask for slight elaboration on Theistic Luciferians though. The concepts and ideas seem almost identical, yet a lot of the occult and spiritual information often seems to come from Qliphoth and alchemy from the enemy.

Theistic Luciferians like most other Luciferians usually don't believe Satan and Lucifer are the same. Their information about Lucifer either comes from Greek/Roman tradition or from Gnosticism. Some Gnostic ones even believe that Satan is Jewhova and Lucifer is Jesus and Lucifer-Christos (as they call him sometimes) is the good guy. So they can be considered as borderline Christians too.

The only Luciferian that gets his information from the Qliphoth is Michael W. Ford, and he's considered controversial and atypical among Luciferians, so that many of them don't see him as a true Luciferian.

This also appears to be the case for some so called Spiritual Satanists which really confuses me because this creates a point in which they could (in theory) become identical because some SS consider Lucifer as Satan, while some Spiritual Luciferians believe the same thing.

Short story about "SS's": There's no Spiritual Satanists outside JoS. All others who call themselves SS's are ripoff fakes. You can understand this if you look at how the title "Spiritual Satanist" came to be:

Back in 2002 when JoS was some months old, HP Maxine was a Traditional Satanist and called herself a Traditional Satanist. She was learning more and communicating with Satan and getting info from Satan that was different from what typical Traditional Satanists believed. So, she decided after checking with Satan to call her new form of Satanism "Spiritual Satanism" to differentiate it from other forms of Satanism, as it was turning out to be unique and distinct. This was very controversial and most of her fellow Traditional Satanists disagreed and wanted her to keep calling it "Traditional Satanism".

For about 5-6 years, only JoS Satanists called themselves Spiritual Satanists. But after that time, JoS became very popular and some fake Satanists who didn't even agree with JoS and who even attacked JoS started calling themselves Spiritual Satanists too. But they are fakes, as most of them don't practice power meditation or other practices which makes Spiritual Satanists for what they are.

In short, those who call themselves "Spiritual Satanists" but don't agree with JoS simply stole the title "Spiritual Satanist" from JoS, as HP Maxine is the first who came up with it under Satan's direction.

 

[AristocraticDragon666]

I heard theres a difference between Luciferian & Satanists...So I'm curious to know is the any difference between the two? & if so whats the difference

There are a lot of currents of Satanism in which I am very well versed, if I describe them all (briefly), then at least 10 pages will go away.

Самое главное, что вам нужно знать, это то, что JoS - это единственное истинное течение сатанизма, которое исходит от самого Сатаны.

JoS is an official, certified Satanism, Satanism certified by Satan and other Gods (e.g. Beelzebub, Astarte).

People who consider themselves to be real Satanists and pagans, and not puppets of the enemy (cat. infiltrates pagan organizations), should join JoS.

The real Satanism is JoS. Other Satanic and pagan orders (organizations) either have no real relation to the Satan and Satanism, or are captured by the enemy (jews) and preach an enemy agenda, such as Anti-Cosmic Satanism, which is not Satanism at all, since it actively practices jewish filth Qliphoth and other jewish things, which the Satan and other Gods are opposed.

In the old sermons, HPS Maxine exposed the pseudo-Satanic organizations and the filth of Qliphoth in great detail.

 

[sublimesatanist]

Theistic Luciferians like most other Luciferians usually don't believe Satan and Lucifer are the same. Their information about Lucifer either comes from Greek/Roman tradition or from Gnosticism. Some Gnostic ones even believe that Satan is Jewhova and Lucifer is Jesus and Lucifer-Christos (as they call him sometimes) is the good guy. So they can be considered as borderline Christians too.

The only Luciferian that gets his information from the Qliphoth is Michael W. Ford, and he's considered controversial and atypical among Luciferians, so that many of them don't see him as a true Luciferian.



Short story about "SS's": There's no Spiritual Satanists outside JoS. All others who call themselves SS's are ripoff fakes. You can understand this if you look at how the title "Spiritual Satanist" came to be:

Back in 2002 when JoS was some months old, HP Maxine was a Traditional Satanist and called herself a Traditional Satanist. She was learning more and communicating with Satan and getting info from Satan that was different from what typical Traditional Satanists believed. So, she decided after checking with Satan to call her new form of Satanism "Spiritual Satanism" to differentiate it from other forms of Satanism, as it was turning out to be unique and distinct. This was very controversial and most of her fellow Traditional Satanists disagreed and wanted her to keep calling it "Traditional Satanism".

For about 5-6 years, only JoS Satanists called themselves Spiritual Satanists. But after that time, JoS became very popular and some fake Satanists who didn't even agree with JoS and who even attacked JoS started calling themselves Spiritual Satanists too. But they are fakes, as most of them don't practice power meditation or other practices which makes Spiritual Satanists for what they are.

In short, those who call themselves "Spiritual Satanists" but don't agree with JoS simply stole the title "Spiritual Satanist" from JoS, as HP Maxine is the first who came up with it under Satan's direction.

That is very interesting! Maxine has made achieved unfathomable milestones. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.

 

[Olympios666]

All of them, however they call themselves, have one thing in common, they all follow in one way or another Jewish methods such as Qliphot, Ens, etc. that will either destroy you in the long run or at best there will be no progress, so whatever they are called Luciferian, Traditional Satanists, Divine Satanists, Anti-Communist Satanists, Neo-Nazi Satanists, Aryan Satanists are one and the same, we are not interested in the creation of the enemy to confuse those who seek Satan. Only Jos elevates and promotes human existence because it is the truth and I say this primarily because of personal experience