Question #2924: Incompatibility of free thinking and JoS, other concerns

[AskSatanOperator]

I have not been an SS for very long, and I have some questions, regarding some "contradictions" that I experience studying the JoS. I will start off by saying that the meditations are great, yoga is also really useful, and it is certainly true the JoS is fighting for a great cause, possibly the greatest, which is the defeat of jewry around the globe. However, I have found myself struggling to stay out of doubts, because I also question the teachings here. It is not my intention to slander or displease anyone, not the JoS, not the Gods, I would love nothing more than a civil discussion. Here are some of my concerns:
1. JoS states that Satanism is a continuation of Ancient Paganism, with many similarities and references to ancient civilizations. I understand where this comes from, and I'd love nothing more than to learn about them, but there are no sources anywhere, and everything is brushed under the blanket of "knowledge has been corrupted and/or lost". While it is certainly true, meticulous study and analysis would allow someone that is versed/knowledgeable in discerning lie from the truth, or point out innacuracies. I find myself understanding the message, but without much justification to back it up. This also applies to the Al-Jilwah, in a lesser extent. The Al-Jilwah is essentially the Yazidi Book of Revelation, a text discovered around 1909. However, this is just a fragment, and leaves much to be desired, as one can only speculate whether the Yazidi meant Satan or another form of diety. I would very much love to study this on my own, and check where everything in that website comes from. You might understand that telling me to blindly trust it would not only be a disservice to myself, but to any self respecting thinker out there. Every time anyone has to obtain info, we're always directed to the JoS, and it strikes me as odd every time. I understand that not many people need to study everything extensively as I do, and they are perfectly content in this practice, but to me it is dogmatic, not unlike New Age bullshit practices or christian dogma. Also, I know some knowledge comes from the Demons themselves, and that is not a satisfactory response, not because I would doubt a Demon if he/she told me those things himself/herself, but precisely because I am not sure where it comes from. This leads me to my second concern.
2. Very few people have actually gotten to see or even feel anything that can be understood in esoteric grounds, mainly Satan and the Demons. I do not deny their existence, since I am a believer in the occult, but I can't help but feel that the hierarchical structure present in the forums is centered around very particular figures, namely HPHC and HPS Maxine Dietrich, who claim to have had contact with Demons and Satan. How do I exactly know they are telling me the truth? Well, I can't. The only thing I can do is ask Satan myself, but due to me being new, the answer might be years away. This also strikes me as another instance of dropping the weight onto the practicioner or redirection to the JoS in some way or another. In fact, this is my third concern.
3. There is a circular argument going on in general. What I mean by this is that the practicioner always seems to be the one at fault for bad things, but not so much for good things. This is not an attempt to deny personal responsibility, but it's hard to question the JoS because it is all brushed under the guise of being new, being a jew/christian/muslim/enemy and using any other source to contrast knowledge is not encouraged, so I always find myself having some doubts, but being unable to voice them.
In fact, if this post gets approved, which I hope it does, the first reaction a lot of people will have is to call me a jew for even attempting to question the teachings. I'm not trying to argue, not in bad faith, I am simply voicing some concerns, which I hope you will help me dispel. As I said, all that I need is some place/s where I can find all the knowledge exposed in the JoS and study it myself while progressing on my meditations. I want to know whether what Maxine has created is legitimate, and not something used for political gain or any other reason.
4. Relating to number 3, how do I know this is not a honeypot or controlled opposition? I know that this website has to stay anonymous, and I fully understand, but at the same time, the domain name is so obvious that I wonder how it hasn't been taken down yet. If Satan is such a threat to jews, why did they even allow the existence of this forum, why didn't they "shut it down vey" like they always do? JoS has been up for more than 2 decades now. This one might be the easiest to convince me out of, since I am not aware of how server domains work and how they are allocated, but the main question of this point is not the server itself, but rather whether we are certain this is not a honeypot and how do we know.

Basically, my concerns are that of JoS being opaque about what it says it is and how it operates sometimes. The participation of the members in activities such as rituals and helping each other out are admirable, and I've had my chance to help and be helped as well. There is high potential, if only I could believe it. This post is addressed to anyone, but I would very much love a response from one of the top figures, HPHC or HPS Maxine, if it is not much to ask. Because so long as I am not able to find my own path in this sea of knowledge, it is hard for me to blindly believe an authority figure. I hope I haven't written anything that causes confusion. If so, I will create a throaway account to answer any questions you might have. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Hail Satan.

 

[Satanic Avenger 666]

Hello.

1. Yes. To understand that you need to see the way that conclusion was reached, and you will see it makes sense. HP Maxine and others originally were Satanists in the traditional sense: they didn't have an idea who Satan was and they mostly knew him from the Christian version as a fallen angel. That was before the JoS was founded. One day, Satan contacted them and started giving them information. They asked who he is and he revealed he existed before Christianity and gave hints that they needed to research more. So they did more research, read books and traced Satan's origins in ancient religions. They also traced Satanic practices and symbols to ancient religions and got more meditations and knowledge from the Gods.

Many newbies mistakenly think that Satanism started as ancient Paganism where you just say it's all connected to Satan and mix different practices and call it Satanism, but it all began the opposite way. If you realize that it all started with Satan and Satanism as most people know it and they traced all that to ancient religions based on what they got from Satan, it makes perfect sense. You can do the same thing with info from the Gods, too.

2. Valid question, but nobody said you have to blindly believe what the HPs say if you are new. Many people do because they trust them, but it's not necessary. You can just practice your daily meditations and exercises and feel content with that until you grow spiritually and ask the Gods yourself. It's been mentioned on JoS that you don't have to believe anything you haven't experienced yourself, and ignore anyone who tells you otherwise.

3. Some members are overreacting and call people jews, but you need to understand that there have been many jewish infiltrators and trolls in the past. Not saying that it's good to call random people jews, but you can see where they are coming from. These forums are the most trolled forums and that's why some long term members are naturally suspicious of any person who looks troll-like, even if they are sincere. In the Yahoo Groups before this forum was created, it was even worse and there were many enemy agents preying on people.

4. They have been shut down many times. Read past posts, it's been mentioned many times. The websites were taken down many times and they migrated into new hosts because previous hosts banned them. The forum has been hacked before and closed down (ever wonder why it only goes back to 2017? Because that's when it was taken down) and gets regular DDOS attacks from Israeli IP addresses and the Yahoo groups were hacked more than once.

 

[Henu the Great]

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1. Yes, you can go to the library and spend hours upon hours ultimately coming to essentially the same conclusions that JoS is presenting. For most people, it is enough when the hard work is done once hence why we can relay information from JoS and related sources with confidence.

2. Answers are not years away. If you mean astral sight and hearing, then yes, maybe, depending on your current level and rate of advancement. Bear in mind that everything on this path is gradual, including astral skills. In other words, it's not like suddenly one day you'll get a clear answer. You can get a 'muddy' answer now and make something, or nothing, out of it today, and understand it better later, for example. And you can get clearer answers later on. But in the case of new people most of which are lacking in astral abilities, answers are relayed in other forms, like through events, feelings, intuition, and so on.

3. Realistically, people are responsible for their own lives regardless of what someone might or might not say. Each and everyone is born on this planet with a set path, and while we have tools to influence this path, and ultimately rise above the influence of fate, for most people this is not so. Yes, sometimes this set path seems very unfair, while other times too fair, at least to others. There are many factors at play, and until one masters themselves above these factors these factors continue to influence one's path, not the other way around.

4. Open your soul through the meditations provided and establish a connection to the Gods. There is your 'evidence' in a nutshell. This path, Gods, and true members are very much real and aligned with Satan's will. And if you continue on your efforts, you'll eventually come to the same conclusion.

JoS and its membership have been under constant attacks and harassment over the years, both online and offline, but Satan's will is above these petty jews and other fools so we are online, and we continue to be online as we have much to accomplish and this is our main community.

No, you are not a jew or a troll, but a n00b.

 

[throawayQuestion2924]

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Hello, and thank you for the answer, I'd like to ask a couple more things upon what you said:
1. Do you have or know a starting point for studying these things? I personally do not mind studying hours upon hours if it means bringing me reassurance over the content here. I'd rather quench my curiosity and skepticism on my own, and reach the conclusions by myself, even if it means taking the long route to the conclusions in JoS.
2. JoS states that even Maxine had to spend a year or so in order to see and clearly hear Satan and His Demons, and I would not expect to match that, but I'm skeptical about the other signs. How do I know an event was caused by the Gods and is not something I somehow created or put myself into? How do I know when a Demon is telling me something through a feeling and it's not a hallucination or an intrusive thought? I try to be as self aware of my thoughts as possible, and will oftentimes find myself thinking something out of the blue and then stepping back and changing it in fears of it being too irrational or just downright stupid. Were those messages of the Gods that I just immediately discarded, then?
3. I guess fair answer. I had some more time to think about this point, and compared to other communities, JoS has never forced me to do anything, unlike most modern religions and New Age movements, and it also doesn't require me to empty my wallet for some secret Nirvana sauce. In the end, the only thing I have to give is myself and my time.
4. Have you been able to find the evidence that I also seek? This is actually just an inquisitive question out of genuine curiosity, doesn't have to do much with your answer to number 4. I also need to add, since Satan does understand me probably better than I understand myself, and if He truly wants to help me and everyone here, is my skepticism of Him in any way hindering my progress despite consistently meditating? Maybe I'm just rushing things, I'm not sure. I just want to see some progress beyond some weird generic feelings during meditations: shivers, tinglings, feeling hot, and other sensations that don't tell me much. I want to be sure my time is not wasted, and that in fact this is the way to go, unlike the bullshit xian prayers that do nothing.
In any case, thanks again for the answer. Have a nice day.

 

[Satanic Avenger 666]

Hello, and thank you for the answer, I'd like to ask a couple more things upon what you said:
1. Do you have or know a starting point for studying these things? I personally do not mind studying hours upon hours if it means bringing me reassurance over the content here. I'd rather quench my curiosity and skepticism on my own, and reach the conclusions by myself, even if it means taking the long route to the conclusions in JoS.

There's an old reading list from JoS and it hasn't been updated since 2004, but you can find some books for research there:

https://web.archive.org/web/20110925111109/http://www.freewebs.com/eridu666/ReadingList.html

Keep in mind it doesn't include the new information, such as the Eastern/Sanskrit origins of Satanism or Runes, but it represents the original JoS that focused mostly on tracing Satan's origins to Sumeria and Egypt and the Yezidis.

2. JoS states that even Maxine had to spend a year or so in order to see and clearly hear Satan and His Demons, and I would not expect to match that, but I'm skeptical about the other signs. How do I know an event was caused by the Gods and is not something I somehow created or put myself into? How do I know when a Demon is telling me something through a feeling and it's not a hallucination or an intrusive thought? I try to be as self aware of my thoughts as possible, and will oftentimes find myself thinking something out of the blue and then stepping back and changing it in fears of it being too irrational or just downright stupid. Were those messages of the Gods that I just immediately discarded, then?

Possibly, yes. In my experience, getting a false sign or getting some random thing that you mistake as coming from the Gods is not much of a problem. Missing an obvious sign because you are not paying attention or you were looking for something else is a more common problem for many people and myself.

3. I guess fair answer. I had some more time to think about this point, and compared to other communities, JoS has never forced me to do anything, unlike most modern religions and New Age movements, and it also doesn't require me to empty my wallet for some secret Nirvana sauce. In the end, the only thing I have to give is myself and my time.

That's the point here. All these teachings may sound ridiculous to you, but you aren't forced to blindly believe them or join any organization and give your personal info or any money. It's all for free, that's why it places all the weight on the practitioner, as you said. Like everything that comes for free, it's experimental with no hard guarantees. If you paid any money, you would be right to demand things.

I also need to add, since Satan does understand me probably better than I understand myself, and if He truly wants to help me and everyone here, is my skepticism of Him in any way hindering my progress despite consistently meditating? Maybe I'm just rushing things, I'm not sure. I just want to see some progress beyond some weird generic feelings during meditations: shivers, tinglings, feeling hot, and other sensations that don't tell me much. I want to be sure my time is not wasted, and that in fact this is the way to go, unlike the bullshit xian prayers that do nothing.

Being impatient can slow down your progress, yes. You should take this as an experiment, not trying to achieve something in a set amount of time. Just like all experimental things, relax and enjoy.

 

[Henu the Great]

Hello, and thank you for the answer, I'd like to ask a couple more things upon what you said:
1. Do you have or know a starting point for studying these things? I personally do not mind studying hours upon hours if it means bringing me reassurance over the content here. I'd rather quench my curiosity and skepticism on my own, and reach the conclusions by myself, even if it means taking the long route to the conclusions in JoS.

You implied being a free thinker. And now you want us to show you the way? There are several topics related to esoteric material from all around the world from different cultures. Brace yourself, hours upon hours is a great understatement on this topic. Hundreds of books are closer to the actual truth, and that would only probably get you started.

2. JoS states that even Maxine had to spend a year or so in order to see and clearly hear Satan and His Demons, and I would not expect to match that, but I'm skeptical about the other signs. How do I know an event was caused by the Gods and is not something I somehow created or put myself into? How do I know when a Demon is telling me something through a feeling and it's not a hallucination or an intrusive thought? I try to be as self aware of my thoughts as possible, and will oftentimes find myself thinking something out of the blue and then stepping back and changing it in fears of it being too irrational or just downright stupid. Were those messages of the Gods that I just immediately discarded, then?

It is not a good premise to be comparing yourself to others. Taking and giving inspiration is another case, try that instead. Comparing yourself to others is counterproductive and does not really give a good return on investment. At best you can clearly see your level relative to other's level, and then what? If you need to compare, compare yourself of yesterday to the yourself of today. That way you can see where you are and the fruit of your labor.

Like I said before developing skills in general is a gradual process, and these types of skills in particular do not simply pop out of the blue one day. Do not be dismayed at the task, instead rejoice that you have a chance with the tools provided, unlike most other people.

Other than that I think you need to grow as a person to learn about your mind and the world around you.

is my skepticism of Him in any way hindering my progress despite consistently meditating?

Yes. The same goes for the use of magick. Doubt greatly hinders or even nullifies efforts.

 

[Henu the Great]

How do I know when a Demon is telling me something through a feeling and it's not a hallucination or an intrusive thought?

Answer to this in more detail below.

https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=467585#p467585

I cannot speak for everyone, nor claim to have the best method, but I can share what I do, as well as continue to express the importance of direct contact with them, which everyone can do, despite perceived shortcomings.

First, when you have their sigil, this is like they are "next to you" in a sense. You can pull their energy into you and connect this way, or communicate messages. Similarly, this focus on them allows them easier access to you, in the present moment or at a later date.

Relationships are like two-way exchanges of not just information, but also energy. See a synastry chart for a visual example of this. Therefore, your chakras can directly connect to the energy of their sigil, such that pulling their energy into your heart chakra facilitates love, through the throat chakra facilitates communication, and the 6th and 7th facilitate sharing of feelings and visions. Each chakra has a specific function, including the lowers, but the higher are more important for communications.

So this goes beyond just sending of messages, but also allowing them closer access to your soul, through which a full relationship can build. By becoming familiar with them on the level of a soul-to-soul bond, you can better sense them beyond just words.
This is also very useful in cases where people feel lonely or abandoned, where words alone will not do justice.

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As for their reply, sometimes you may sense this during this connection, or there may be a delay as the signs manifest for you. Sometimes, I will have a thought about a god and then directly after see an answer to my problem or concern. In this way, I know something has been communicated to me. Full astral hearing is not always necessary here, but rather openness to them and their energy.

You can also chant their names into your chakras and affirm the connection has strengthened. Do this, or pull their energy into your 6th chakra or hearing chakras, and this will aid your reception of their messages.

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https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Demonic_Communication.html

As communication implies, we have not only verbal communication, but often times it will be omens, thoughts, or other guidance one will receive, often times given in ways that will propel you to advance, rather than to stumble upon a given answer from which you have gained nothing.

One very important thing to understand is that since not everyone is the same being, or on the same level, the Gods will likewise adjust this with your Guardian Demon and Demons so that you receive communications in the level that you can understand.

If one cannot understand something, then one must insist and stay on with the Demons, until one can finally grasp it.

If you fail at this, be honest, and try again.

In general, it is better to avoid that one has not understood a full idea, or had issues communicating, rather than being arrogant or foolish that one understood everything at once. Either of these states can be partly detrimental in one's growth through the Demonic Communication.

The Gods can send Demons to also instruct you and guide you by invisible means, so that you are guided to information. One major example is in the forums, or an answer. That counts as valid communication as any, and verbal or auditory or visual communication is not the sole deciding factor of the value of communicating. One's inquiry has been answered in the above very obvious case.

As a conclusive note, the most difficult wall anyone who truly seeks communication with the Gods must skip, is also a wall that many do not understand, and that is the wall of one's own individual self. A major obstacle in communication can be one's own need to deceive one's self or one's own incapacity to accept something, for example.

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https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=80012

At first, you must learn and comprehend the general outlook of existence as expressed materially, in the written material. This serves to start showing you how this will would go.

Then, you will as you advance yourself start understanding more and more about how the Gods see things, which is completing on the above.

As you advance further, you will be able to understand signs sent to you, and then progressively auditorial or intuitive input. One needs very much training on that, to take this lightly can be a disaster. To rush it or lie to ones self because you want false self affirmation can be the worst one can do.

The first starting point is most important. You must also know, the Gods guide you as is, even if you are not aware of it at first. Then, the other very important point.

A blatant sign of help from the Gods even if you cannot hear them, is that they lead you to answers to questions pertaining to your advancement. You will ask for an answer and then find it for example.

 

[throawayQuestion2924]

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Heh, I liked the answer to the first, I kinda realized my mistake after posting it, but it was worth the shot. I did find some material in the meantime, all is good
You are right in terms of comparisons, I have it as a bad "habit" or tendency, despite knowing how damaging it can be. I should work on that.
If doubts hinder my progress, I will try to minimize them. This should progress well as I read the material.

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They say patience is a virtue, one which I don't really have :? . Nevertheless, the only thing I can do is weather this storm and hopefully something will come out of it.
I remember an article on JoS in which it said Satan and the Demons are pretty busy beings (spiritual warfare is probably no joke), so I'm wondering how much time can they actually dedicate to any request I may make them as well. I am currently unable to understand their messages, which means asking them for any answers right now might be a waste of my time, and, most importantly, of theirs.
Anyhow, thanks for taking the time to answer and even finding those links. Hope to see you around, probably under a different nickname this time around, not under this throwaway

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Thank you for the answer, first and foremost.
I have found some material that might serve as a starting point to try to do as you said and trace everything back to Satan, as much as one person can do in that regard. As for the second point, I do have to admit you are right, I am free to question or do as I plase, but I'll also have to bear the consequences, whatever they may be.
As for trolls and jews, I have been exploring the forum, and the mods are doing quite well in filtering anything that is not worth discussing or is just simply a troll. And as for infilitrators, I am 100% sure there are lurkers in here who are feds, JIDF shills, or a combination or derivation of these two or any other alphabet agency. I also did not know this website was attacked, I'm sorry for jumping to conclusions like this. As Henu said, I have to give it some time and grow. Hopefully it's not years like I said in my first post

 

[throawayQuestion2924]

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Thanks again for your answer, and thank you for the link. I'm pretty glad Paul Huson or Donald Tyson are in there, since I did know about their books from before.
It also feels a bit sad to have discarded messages from the Gods, now that is a real shame

Also, about what you said that the teaching seemed ridiculous to me, it is not that the teachings seem stupid/ridiculous that I ever doubted them, it's quite the opposite. Despite my mother being a bit of a xian, I never connected with the ideas that religion espoused, but I did always believe in Gods superior to us, and that there is more to us humans than meets the eye. When I stumbled upon JoS, everything I read made sense, too much sense. I did not want to feel deceived, so I tried getting into it and reading it, but I lost my patience mid way and began to wonder whether this is the real deal. Rationally, what I read made sense, but I never experienced anything remotely close to a sign from a Demon or God, and I began to doubt, hence me asking for other sources. Thing is though, they did probably try to communicate in some way, I either was not aware of it, or if I was, I discarded it. Enough about my life though, thanks for you answer once more and have a great day!

 

[Gearshift]

Yes. The same goes for the use of magick. Doubt greatly hinders or even nullifies efforts.

So then how does a person even know what they did affects reality? This is one thing I never understood what is the point of magic if I don't even know I did anything. It seems like magick is a gun I mag dump and hope, pray, believe that it works or does something.

How in the hell do even the users of magick know what they are doing. I want to know why people believe in magick and yet believe in what they did and yet know what they did.

If a being of higher power is around can they do a clinical on magick. Can they tell you exact on what you did.

It seems magick is either really pointless and gets in the way of things. Or so hyper over complicated that it only works after a tremendous amount of effort getting advanced.

In fact magick seems pointless because if the entire point of magick is to work on self-improvement magick. Why should I get stuff or do material stuff or whatever or realities if we are so dead and sickened and so unspiritual that our own soul can just regenerate realities when cleansed and improved.

If my sacral chakra is working bad and I have issues with sex. Doing magick is pointless just focus on the that chakra.

But then other things get into stuff like how do I know what I want, why do I want that, do I really want it. It seems like magick when studied becomes utterly pointless. If anything it seems like magick is a game of pray and wait.

Sheer fact is if I want something I can get it. But why do I want it. For example a while back a member wanted a computer a laptop of course. Well sorry man but society and civilization sucks most laptops are utter garbage. If they are intel laptops they are terrible if they are AMD laptops unless you get a reasonable APU and recent processor even the best is lesser than better, better than intel it seems AMD posses a good kick to intel in the laptop department. But it seems like your society and civilization fail you.

In fact is magick pointless for less advanced societies? IF Satan builds a civilization with the Gods and their metallic servants i.e. machines, robots, androids, cyborgs etc.etc.

Are the Gods going for Humans to get what they want would require thousands of years before a Human is satisfied. And then it gets into development are the Gods wanting us to be in the game of upgradatus infinatum.

At what point does a person go up to a God tell them to stop fucking around with the technology and just make it the ultimate technology so we can have say a laptop that last hundreds of thousands if not millions of years.

Just the other month Apple released a Titanium iPhone pro. For fucks sake the Titanium is gonna last at least 100,000 years while the phone will last 10 years if lucky.

What is the point of magick if the items and technology and stuff we want is always being upgraded and always spending money.

It seems like magick in the wrong hands produces a pointless endevor of if society is fucked up and Humans are fucked up it is utterly pointless to use as other humans and their technology is pointless pathetic.

What's next the Gods show up in the future and go congratulations Humans you'll now have to upgrade everything and get certain stuff from us that is friendly and your gonna have to spend years and decades repurchasing everything cause we gotta upgrade.

It seems biologically and physiologically Humanity is fucked up and it's technology is terrible even the Ancients had stuff that lasted milestones like Longboats or other vessels or malleable glass i.e. Roman Glass or Roman Concrete etc.etc.

It's no surprise I don't bother upgrading anything. Hell I still watch gaming videos at 480P because the laptop I use is so old. It used to run 720P just fine then poof not anymore.

And the irony of the situation is some Humans are so hardcore dedicated to using old things that in some cases they upgrade certain parts or build certain parts or order for outrages sums of money a custom part just to continue using the item. Like for example IBM was called to fix a 3560 Punch-card computer from 1963 back in 2013 or 2014 at a place that still used the program of a punch-card deck stack to run their old process. Talk about dedication to the past, present, and future.

But honestly should that still exist. Is someone gonna tell me the Gods posses computers from the beginning of their civilizations time with high-technology and while woefully outdated even to the Gods standard of learning from the past. They still practice and educate using these old things. Sure cool for some but why should humanity suffer upgrade after upgrade and why should magick be this property of having to keep up with it.

It seems like Magick requires and demands consistency and a level of technology whereby people can be satisfied for a few decades of time. Imagine possessing a car which is 50+ years old and is perfectly fine.

Again it seems magick is either very complicated and gets more complicated over time or is pointless and you might as well save up your money get a good deal and buy something.

For example what is the point of a doubt?

I don't know if doubt is learned or innate to Humans. But it seems like the Gods fucked up in giving Humanity doubt. If Magick requires a rigorous mentality. What is the point of giving a species magick and spirituality. If the slightest quip or slightest effect is nullified by the stupidity of the user.

It almost seems like magick is so destitute and destroyed that it is utterly pointless for a person to use it. For example many people come here looking to use magick for something. Most are gonna use it for sex, relationship, or money.

But it seems like just go and get it.

I think magick is pointless. If I can do it physically why do I need to overcomplicate things and be at the mercy of dichotic forces?

For example I want money I get getting a job or whatever. But most people have absolutely no fucking clue what to do.

It seems like 90% of Humanity is just wanting to be told what to do. They've become slaves in thralldom and I'm surprised the Gods even care about Humans. It seems like they'll be spending their time going. You do XYZ just do it. You go to college/university and study this.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if people get pissed off at the Gods for annoying them with burdonsome demands. Like I want you to be a God, no, I want you to study magick, no, I want you to start meditating, impossible no I can't stop my mind or bend myself like a pretzel.

Sheer fact is the O.p. is right to a degree in fact although I've studied Mein Kampf '36 Dugdale and '39 Dalton albeit I still need to study the other ones.

I agree Hitler is a free-thinker in fact his outline and expressions are more in line with enlightenment values rather than romanticism values whereby it delves into communism. Or as Hitler put it, Why is it when I speak in Vienna working the communist/marxist goes either you believe in what I say for the worker or else I smash your face. To Which Hitler leaves in a bitter mood wondering why they don't want to debate or speak or think alternatively.

In fact Hitler might have been the first of a large number of enlightenment era people who encountered NPC mentality i.e. andrapoda.

The sheer fact is I will agree in my own free thinking that technically while free thinking isn't a violation of neither Hitler himself nor National Socialism. To a degree free-thinking is somewhat frowned upon. Particularly on these forums. Not because we are against free-thinking even Maxine herself had such moments and doubts and tribulations.

But it seems like we demand absolution unto spiritual apotheosis i.e. turn into Gods. And the fact of the matter is most people don't give two shits about becoming Gods or anything they just want to live their lives they've been programmed to believe in and live it.

For example say the World was better and more infused with magickal properties. Many would just want money a few tens of thousands maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars more per year. Many would want a fancy car or fancy clothing. Many simply would just want a sexual sexcapade or lover or wife or relationship.

Sheer fact is most people are simply Muladhara and Svadisthana people. In fact I'm not against that mentality as I view sex as the Ultimecia of things sex > trumps > everything and all. Yes like Final Fantasy 8, Time Kompression past, present, and future. After all I've been thinking and contemplating about sex since I was a toddler so basically sex is a major component especially for a Pluto in Scorpio person such as myself.

Sheer fact is I'd probably be labeled a goyim under some specifications or NPC like mentality. Sheer fact is even the most highly advanced person in the World who is living in the surface is subject to the whims of reality and people.

Either way I'm not saying people of advanced levels are NPCs though like my friend said there are many in JoS and there are potentially some great people whom are NPCs of their side of reality.

I'm not trying to state that the Empire of Orion is NPC. But if people are born properly and live properly young and adults. It can come to reason that Satan or some entity might state these people are NPCs of our civilization. And while they aren't bad like a Human in fact to compare them to a Human is to compare a God towards a Human.

The sheer fact is there might be certain entities in the Empire of Orion that will state they are NPCs of their generation and their existence whom will at some point awaken to higher truths as they enter deeper levels of initiation.

For example in Pagan era we had our NPCs. People who simply care about the Gods but don't practice any form of meditation or any enlightenment higher. They simply wish to live.

I've noticed in my own personal thoughts even Satan himself would rather a civilization live and be a low-level fair level civilization with mild progression and evolution. Rather than a clusterfuck civilization like ours giving the Gods a headache because we can be bowled over into being a bunch of greytarded greyified shit.

Sheer fact is NPCism works in both ways. I'm sure there are people who simply follow the Gods because they follow the Gods and aren't into anything deeper. It's fine even recommended.

O.P. you state free-thinking. I believe on some level in modern dichotic reality of life. Freedom or Communism. There will be some form of stomping on free-thinking. Even in America some of the things Hitler and company did would make some of our good MAGA style leaders blush going WTF how did they have more freedom than America. In fact the irony of the situation is Hitler and company are just a panzerfaust of American Enlightenment before this was hijacked for judeo-bolshevism.

In fact the funny part is many times the communists are more free than the freedom fighters and the opposite. As they employ various tricks to employ against bowling over civilizations. In fact the irony of the situation is Communism in Germany was seen as the second coming of Christ by many Germans.

Why do you think Anti-FA in modern era is so gung ho towards anything remotely hostile to it's virus i.e. the cure. In fact if Anti-Fa knew National Socialism was gently anti-fascist by nature and only employs fascism as some sort of NATO anti-Communist block. Even they would be dumbfounded.

Sadly I kinda get the feeling in the modern World most people are too scared to speak their mind. They've been so drowned out by the kvetching and screeching of the Israelite that some people will think they are a danger to themselves and others.

Sheer fact is if the Gods do appear they want to hear what bothers Humanity. And people are gonna be like "Wait a minute you want to hear what we say?" And the Gods go the enemy has been kvetching and hijacking your technology. Say anything and everything even if it's hostile to us we can help you restore your freedoms.

Sheer fact is Free-thinking implies society and civilization is free not the individual. Remember individuals can fall into NPCism or FTL or follow the leader. Unfortunately most people are simply thrall slaves Hitler said it as someone put up a quote of him, Thou shalt obey is the worst possible command a human can be taught. Humans need to be taught commanding and leadership skills to command and lead other people. Or as Faust said it Divide and conquer is a sound motto, unite and lead is a better one.

Unfortunately because people are not mini-Gods. We are supposed to be mini-Gods themselves. If Satan created mankind and womankind. We are to be mini-Satan, mini-Liliths, Mini-Other Gods. Unfortunately the individual is crushed from these higher realms and thus the civilization and society is broken. If each person is to do something great or greater or improve it seems lost on most people.

Like Hitler and the Axis armies surmised. Tactical not Strategic wins the battle. The Stuka terrorizing ground forces or the STG coughing intermediate blitz of rounds or the screaming mimi firing wins in the tactical compound.

In fact the ironic thing is the Germans in some cases massacred so much at the tactical level despite strategic bombing and annihilation of Germany's 245-345 billion dollar industry producing 15+ billion per year. That even in the most worst conditions for city tactically they could not be manhandled rather the opposite they manhandled the allies.

Look up Beast of Omaha if you want a reminder why these people fought unlike anything in the history of mankind. Even modern armies like America or Russia are jokes compared to what the Germans did. In fact if it weren't for the Germans there would be no modern warfare. Like the old joke In the 12 year the Reich existed they advanced a thousand years.

So notice how the individual is removed from free-thinking, thus society changes, thus civilization changes. It's almost like magick at the subliminal level.

Like the 1695 Swiss statement Arbiect Macht Frei and we can add Frei Macht Arbiect. Work brings freedom, Freedom brings Work.

Sadly O.P. free-thinking is potential and synonymous with some communism like the Manifesto bit. Manifesto = Communism lul well no manifesto is a fine word. In fact in modern lingo manifesto is seen as an opus for a terroristic person like the bomber or Ted Kazinski or any of these other crazy lunatics.

Free-thinking = freedom for destruction but if used correctly seen as absolute evil, uppity and beyond terrorism and hostility.

In fact free-thinking when used properly is seen as the Devil in carneth.

Why do you think the late-Dark Ages, Middle Ages could be seen as the indoctrination of mankind unto kosher supervision.

Anyways excuse my long post. But as a person who's never had spirituality work nor probably deeply cares even though I've been at this 99% of my life and especially these past few decades.

I don't think anything works. Even my life is basically as schizophrenic as my disease that I suffer. I want XYZ in my mind, in reality XYZ becomes DGF and ABC and nothing occurs. So I live a lie. I guess maybe free-thinking is that lie to believe we are free when in reality we are nothing more than blackpilled Saturn bindings ready for dying at some point prematurely or at a late age.

Live to die, die to live.

Sadly as dichotic and un-terinary/un-trinary reality is.

There is no middle ground we must build the middle ground and sadly Free-thinking should be called Betterment thinking.

Like perfection it is a flawed concept. Perfection implies no advancement. Betterment is the superior alternative. How can I punch 30lbs psi harder if I'm perfect I strike perfectly. But if I better myself maybe after 30-40 years I punch even harder using advanced technologies.

Sadly most people will not achieve this betterment thinking. Even bettering oneself for many and potentially myself is pointless and probably an exercise in blackpilling.

Sheer fact is do I experience improvements and betterment when I do stuff. Sure but I just accept what reality proposes. Sheer fact is for example you want to speak to a person. Even just the mere thought is pointless you want to speak to the person spontaneously and even the mere impact of feel-thought, mind-body your mind fails to deliver the message.

It's like yeah I introduced myself, I talked. But was it what I truly wanted.

So the reality is we are fighting against vibration and the planets. We must outvibrate, ourfrequency, and sublimate all negative into positive and or neutral.

But unfortunately again life sucks.

Free-thinking implies we are free. Our Gods made us supposedly I suppose. To be honest Humans evolutionary body is so flawed and so much issues there is no implication of a hand in creating us. UNLESS the very hand can create the perfect artwork.

Look at the occult work and memetics hiding stuff in plain sight like the avatar a member has with a Swastika from a House and three ladies wearing a red and white dress.

Sheer fact is Humans could very well be made by the Gods they just did such a sublime job of hiding the haniwork it looks natural or if unnatural looks like a technological evolutionary change.

Sheer fact is free-thinking needs to lead to betterment; evolution and progress.

Sadly free-thinking is the idea of somehow we are free. So we lie to ourselves and thus the lie not 1+1 = 3 or ABC = XYZ but the lie of that we are free. We are not free and no person is free.

In fact even Satan himself could be considered not free. If he enjoys what he does great. But even the Gods are potentially slaves to their own construct of supporting their civilization.

Sadly I kinda get the feeling the Universal Dichotomy is thralldom/slavery or gentle slavery. There is no Terinary/Trinary we can produce a third option. But even the Gods are bound by the Universe.

If Beelzebul can show a person the ends of the Universe and outside the Universe astrally. The very same physical journey with a vimana/flying saucer would be horrible trip of endless travel.

Sadly I feel like our minds and the way Humans act in various stages to be lying about their freedom. And don't truly want freedom or may even be scared of freedom.

Look at the Republicans they grab defeat from the jaws of victory. They are such cuck losers they'd rather lose and cuck than win.

Sadly that reflect on again Humanity at the tactical and strategic level.

Free-thinking implies Civilization Tactically and Strategically is free. And then people wonder why Hitler scared the bejesus out of the enemy.

I plan on taking mankind to the next stage of Human evolution. - Hitler.

 

[Henu the Great]

Yes. The same goes for the use of magick. Doubt greatly hinders or even nullifies efforts.

So then how does a person even know what they did affects reality? This is one thing I never understood what is the point of magic if I don't even know I did anything. It seems like magick is a gun I mag dump and hope, pray, believe that it works or does something.

Actions have consequences. In the case of influencing astral, there are consequences on the astral level that also influence the physical plane as these are connected. Logically, if there are no consequences to actions then the actions were unsuccessful.

I'm not going to read the whole of your post, and I wonder what are you doing here if you can't agree with basic principles and make use of them, and instead go into long tirades about topics you have no understanding of. Many of these subjects have been touched a dozen+ times with you, and you still continue this same nonsense. You also went off saying that making a user account here was a mistake, and you are leaving. And now you are back posting here and even using the Ask Satan service with questions that do not warrant anonymity. Can you grow up, please?

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

So then how does a person even know what they did affects reality? This is one thing I never understood what is the point of magic if I don't even know I did anything. It seems like magick is a gun I mag dump and hope, pray, believe that it works or does something.

How in the hell do even the users of magick know what they are doing. I want to know why people believe in magick and yet believe in what they did and yet know what they did.

Remember the Eihwaz, Kenaz, and Dagaz runes, as these give insight into the manifestation of things, which is what magic is about.

Runesecrets on Eihwaz: "“The axis or process of spiritual becoming.” Upper and lower worlds meeting in Midgard (earth). "

It is specifically a combination of yin and yang which produces a new product. From my understanding, the yin side is what is like the fertilizer or receptivity for the will, with the will being the spark of creation itself.

If you intentionally create within your mind a receptivity to something, this gives space for an input to occur. This is why HPS Maxine had taught about sensing energy and sensing what you are doing, as this allows room for your "belief" or will to create within.

Then, your will makes this stronger, so it is like a self-replicating event. I willed a result, and I can see or feel it, and since I can see or feel it, then therefore I willed it.

This is how people create, and it is also how people's minds get out of control, as they allow their fears to be stronger and stronger, without employing any mechanisms to break this process, like that of Saturn or Mars.

So now do you understand why I told you that you must be calming yourself down, not going nuts with caffeine, and doing calming exercises like hatha yoga?

By calming yourself, you allow space for this "blind belief" to become real. This is the process for successful magic, just as a human baby cannot be formed only with yang (semen) alone, but that both a father and mother are required.