Question #227: Why support Homosexuality?

[TheWhiteGiant]

Argi/ Ergi was used to call men weak, not homosexual.

Please tell the truth, this is just wrong. When used to describe a man, Argr/Ragr is directly translated as homosexual. The closest translation to how we speak now would be "faggot", except it has even more disgust and hatred attached to it than faggot does. When used to describe a woman, it is calling her a whore. Both situations are directly about wanting to have sex with men. There are zero translations to weak or anything like that. It was sometimes used to describe a weak man by saying that he is so weak that the reason why he is so weak is he must be a faggot. This is an example of the kind of way this word was used.

Argr/Ragr was the worst insult that they had, and it was so bad that anybody who accuses somebody of being Argr/Ragr is allowed to be killed for this. It is damaging enough of an accusation that death is the fair punishment for it.

There were some cultures where homosexuality was accepted. It is wrong to say it was never accepted anywhere. But it is even more wrong to say that it was accepted everywhere, or even to say that it was accepted in most places. Anybody who says the Vikings accepted this couldn't possibly be further from the truth.

Hello.

You may be right. The idea that I got from this word not meaning what it did back then, was because I once asked about this very same word on here a while ago, and some members replied that it didn't mean what was said about it and that the Nords didn't truly hate homosexuals etc.

But even if this word actually meant exactly what I rejected it to be, my point on this argument still stands to be absolutely correct, and the other less desirables are of course, incorrect. Because we all know the truth on the history and reality of homosexuals here, who they really are, and the wisdom that comes with the proper treatment of people who are only slightly different in their sexuality.

Even if certain cultures of the past treated homosexuals not as well as we thought, that does not in any way prove that they are unnatural or unhealthy or that even the ancients were right about them.

People have made mistakes in the past and it's time to move on from that. No one is forced to like anyone here, but at the same time we are all allowed to voice our own opinions, including mine.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

 

[Egon]

This book proves that Hitler and Nazi Germany accepted homosexuality:https://web.archive.org/web/20201101142512/https://electrodes.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/the_pink_swastika_lively__abrams_1995_4th_edition.pdf

You actually cited "the pink swastika" LMAO
This is Christian-conservative propaganda against the reich, total nonsense

True.
This is a degenerate slander book written by a xtian AND a rabbi trying to prove the basis of what all NS and our ancestors did was some homoerotic shit. Typical of the religions that engage in most pederasty to obsess over the sex lives of their enemies.

 

[Stormblood]

I agree with Stolas216

Then you are both retarded.

it is retarded to be a national socialist that promotes homosexuality. some of you clearly spend too much time online and have no relationship to NS in the real world. I'm not gonna waste my time debunking all these claims some of you have made but this is a good study on the kind of fabrications you are probably following: https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E

Real nazis? You mean Neo-Nazis who are the ones who understand nothing about NS? https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86503 The memes there explain pretty well the difference between real NS and the garbage you read.

You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany to listen to their actually speeches or see how things actually were vs what you think they were.

 

[Stormblood]

Argi/ Ergi was used to call men weak, not homosexual.

Please tell the truth, this is just wrong. When used to describe a man, Argr/Ragr is directly translated as homosexual. The closest translation to how we speak now would be "faggot", except it has even more disgust and hatred attached to it than faggot does. When used to describe a woman, it is calling her a whore. Both situations are directly about wanting to have sex with men. There are zero translations to weak or anything like that. It was sometimes used to describe a weak man by saying that he is so weak that the reason why he is so weak is he must be a faggot. This is an example of the kind of way this word was used.

Argr/Ragr was the worst insult that they had, and it was so bad that anybody who accuses somebody of being Argr/Ragr is allowed to be killed for this. It is damaging enough of an accusation that death is the fair punishment for it.

There were some cultures where homosexuality was accepted. It is wrong to say it was never accepted anywhere. But it is even more wrong to say that it was accepted everywhere, or even to say that it was accepted in most places. Anybody who says the Vikings accepted this couldn't possibly be further from the truth.

Wrong. There is no literal translation to that term, but it was used as an adjective to refer to weakness and meekness as well as other unethical psychological, moral and physical characteristics a person could have. It has nothing to do with homosexuality ("faggot") and nothing to do with sexual promiscuity ("whore"). It has to do with being an untermensch, an NPC.

It was accepted in all advanced White civilisations such as Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Vedic India, Thule, Ancient Druidic places, Mesopotamia, Ancient Rome (before the Flavians) as well even Atlantis/Kumara Kandam.

There were no specific words for it, as the Ancients didn't have words to speak about any sexual "vocation". It is modern over-labelling and nothing else. Calling yourself homo, hetero or bi doesn't add anything to you or means anything. It doesn't help you grow either.

Abrahamic people clearly invented slander against them, as that's their nature. You people clearly never did any regression to the ancient world, nor did you astral project and saw events in the astral.

As far as the pink swastika goes, that was for paedophiles, rapists and other scum who indulges in unhealthy sexual behaviour (i.e. necrophiles, zoophiles, BDSM, humiliation, degradation, and so on)

 

[Amonsek]

I agree with Stolas216

Then you are both retarded.

it is retarded to be a national socialist that promotes homosexuality. some of you clearly spend too much time online and have no relationship to NS in the real world. I'm not gonna waste my time debunking all these claims some of you have made but this is a good study on the kind of fabrications you are probably following: https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E

What would someone's sexuality affect National Socialism in real life? I can't imagine soldiers lined up and a commander asking their sexuality :lol:

The reality is that you are probably a beginner and know nothing about National Socialism, it will not change anything if a "Satanist" does not like homosexuality, most of us here know that a lot of what you said is a lie, just do not use the name of Satanism or the Gods to spread this nonsense of yours.

 

[wolfhammer922]

Then you are both retarded.

it is retarded to be a national socialist that promotes homosexuality. some of you clearly spend too much time online and have no relationship to NS in the real world. I'm not gonna waste my time debunking all these claims some of you have made but this is a good study on the kind of fabrications you are probably following: https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E

Real nazis? You mean Neo-Nazis who are the ones who understand nothing about NS? https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86503 The memes there explain pretty well the difference between real NS and the garbage you read.

You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany to listen to their actually speeches or see how things actually were vs what you think they were.

Do I even need to respond to this? Those people would beat the shit out of you anime boy :lol:

"You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany" translation: you don't base your beliefs on the unverifiable occult experiences of anime pfps on forums and some memes he made

Seriously tho I think you don't realize how ridiculous this is. it's totally fair to point out the niggerish, degenerate culture that has arisen in some parts of our movement but this is largely to keep up with prison/street culture that targets white youth. This is how people less fortunate than yourself survive.

 

[wolfhammer922]

Argi/ Ergi was used to call men weak, not homosexual.

Please tell the truth, this is just wrong. When used to describe a man, Argr/Ragr is directly translated as homosexual. The closest translation to how we speak now would be "faggot", except it has even more disgust and hatred attached to it than faggot does. When used to describe a woman, it is calling her a whore. Both situations are directly about wanting to have sex with men. There are zero translations to weak or anything like that. It was sometimes used to describe a weak man by saying that he is so weak that the reason why he is so weak is he must be a faggot. This is an example of the kind of way this word was used.

Argr/Ragr was the worst insult that they had, and it was so bad that anybody who accuses somebody of being Argr/Ragr is allowed to be killed for this. It is damaging enough of an accusation that death is the fair punishment for it.

There were some cultures where homosexuality was accepted. It is wrong to say it was never accepted anywhere. But it is even more wrong to say that it was accepted everywhere, or even to say that it was accepted in most places. Anybody who says the Vikings accepted this couldn't possibly be further from the truth.

Wrong. There is no literal translation to that term, but it was used as an adjective to refer to weakness and meekness as well as other unethical psychological, moral and physical characteristics a person could have. It has nothing to do with homosexuality ("faggot") and nothing to do with sexual promiscuity ("whore"). It has to do with being an untermensch, an NPC.

It was accepted in all advanced White civilisations such as Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Vedic India, Thule, Ancient Druidic places, Mesopotamia, Ancient Rome (before the Flavians) as well even Atlantis/Kumara Kandam.

There were no specific words for it, as the Ancients didn't have words to speak about any sexual "vocation". It is modern over-labelling and nothing else. Calling yourself homo, hetero or bi doesn't add anything to you or means anything. It doesn't help you grow either.

Abrahamic people clearly invented slander against them, as that's their nature. You people clearly never did any regression to the ancient world, nor did you astral project and saw events in the astral.

As far as the pink swastika goes, that was for paedophiles, rapists and other scum who indulges in unhealthy sexual behaviour (i.e. necrophiles, zoophiles, BDSM, humiliation, degradation, and so on)

It's degenerate to spank your girlfriend but not degenerate to engage in sodomy with another man, makes total sense. Also actual scholars completely disagree with this take on the term Argr (such as Dr. Jackson Crawford who he referenced). The only people who push this nonsense are homosexuals themselves who want to justify their fetish.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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Please watch the video I shared. I got my information from Jackson Crawford who is an expert in ancient Icelandic history and writings.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Not everybody who ever lived in every location in the world, and every moment in time, will agree with every action that you want to do. And in times and locations when some people did agree with some action, there were still some people who did not. There is no right for everything you want to do to be universally liked by everybody in history.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

You people clearly never did any regression to the ancient world, nor did you astral project and saw events in the astral.

This is ignoring that this kind of past-life regression is an extremely personal thing that is related to the experiences of your own soul. And as a gay man who likely has been gay for many lifetimes, there will be much more gay things in your soul's history than most other people. So it will be much more likely for you to see references to gay things in your own regressions. Similarly for astral projections, the soul is most easily able to feel certain energy currents that are more similar to the soul. It is much easier to travel to where you want to go, or to what feels like home.


I agree that there have always been gay people. So it has always been accepted at least by the people themselves who were doing it. But this does not mean that in a city of 10,000 people, that all 10,000 people agreed with or liked these actions.

 

[Missrainbow]

Lol)This post is still here)
I think we as non straight people should stop giving sh*t about other people's opinion of what we have to do with our lives
The best answer is to grow a thick skin and stop giving shit)
Love whoever you want and how many people you want)
Anyone who has a problem with us can cry us a river))))

This should be our reaction:

Also I believe it is a possibility that jews are behind this division in here.
Sometimes they start a fight and talk for both sides and try to turn us against each other.
Be careful my brothers and sisters

 

[wolfhammer922]

Then you are both retarded.

it is retarded to be a national socialist that promotes homosexuality. some of you clearly spend too much time online and have no relationship to NS in the real world. I'm not gonna waste my time debunking all these claims some of you have made but this is a good study on the kind of fabrications you are probably following: https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E

What would someone's sexuality affect National Socialism in real life? I can't imagine soldiers lined up and a commander asking their sexuality :lol:

The reality is that you are probably a beginner and know nothing about National Socialism, it will not change anything if a "Satanist" does not like homosexuality, most of us here know that a lot of what you said is a lie, just do not use the name of Satanism or the Gods to spread this nonsense of yours.

Satanism = supporting ghey in your book, got it.

 

[Amonsek]

it is retarded to be a national socialist that promotes homosexuality. some of you clearly spend too much time online and have no relationship to NS in the real world. I'm not gonna waste my time debunking all these claims some of you have made but this is a good study on the kind of fabrications you are probably following: https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E

What would someone's sexuality affect National Socialism in real life? I can't imagine soldiers lined up and a commander asking their sexuality :lol:

The reality is that you are probably a beginner and know nothing about National Socialism, it will not change anything if a "Satanist" does not like homosexuality, most of us here know that a lot of what you said is a lie, just do not use the name of Satanism or the Gods to spread this nonsense of yours.

Satanism = supporting ghey in your book, got it.

You literally confirmed it with a silly idea that gay sex affects base chakra, it's ok that you are a satanist and don't support homosexuality, but that doesn't mean you can make up lies and attack those people who are gentiles

Sexuality is one of the immutable things of the soul, there is no way to change it, a gay person will always reincarnate gay

About transsexuality, this can be changed with meditation, since biological sex is also one of the immutable things of the soul, transsexuality is dysphoria, the unbalanced feminine/masculine side of the soul.

Satanism does not support lgbtq, this is a jewish movement, it hates people who are really homosexual

 

[AFODO]

I would like to add Maxine's words here

All consenting sex in Satanism is free- straight, gay, bi-sexual, group sex, etc. Your sex life is your own personal business. This also includes those who choose to remain sexually inactive, or who are a-sexual. Your sex life, however you choose to live it is your own business! -HPS Maxine

No need for further investigation in this topic.

 

[Missrainbow]

it is retarded to be a national socialist that promotes homosexuality. some of you clearly spend too much time online and have no relationship to NS in the real world. I'm not gonna waste my time debunking all these claims some of you have made but this is a good study on the kind of fabrications you are probably following: https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E

Real nazis? You mean Neo-Nazis who are the ones who understand nothing about NS? https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86503 The memes there explain pretty well the difference between real NS and the garbage you read.

You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany to listen to their actually speeches or see how things actually were vs what you think they were.

Do I even need to respond to this? Those people would beat the shit out of you anime boy :lol:

"You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany" translation: you don't base your beliefs on the unverifiable occult experiences of anime pfps on forums and some memes he made

Seriously tho I think you don't realize how ridiculous this is. it's totally fair to point out the niggerish, degenerate culture that has arisen in some parts of our movement but this is largely to keep up with prison/street culture that targets white youth. This is how people less fortunate than yourself survive.

Anyone who EVER try to raise their hands on my brothers or sisters WILL FUCKING LOSE THAT HAND.

Lets make this clear for you and the likes of you,THE ONLY REASON we accept Hitler and nazis is because SATANISM wants us to accept them

So If a nazi or whoever the fuck tries to bother my brothers and sisters that are Satanists,LET ALONE trying to beat them like you mentioned,They are gonna lose one hand or two,maybe a head on top of that.

Also dont make some political party our main goal,We arent here for Neo Nazis even though we respect Hitler,WE are here because of Satan and as long as he accepts us you and others have no right to judge us or turn us away from the way of Gods.

Why we accept homosexuals or are homosexuals?
BECAUSE GODS ARE COMPLETELY OKAY WITH US BEING HOMOSEXUALS AND THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT

We keep worshipping Satan,NONE can turn us away,None

 

[Missrainbow]

Argi/ Ergi was used to call men weak, not homosexual.

Please tell the truth, this is just wrong. When used to describe a man, Argr/Ragr is directly translated as homosexual. The closest translation to how we speak now would be "faggot", except it has even more disgust and hatred attached to it than faggot does. When used to describe a woman, it is calling her a whore. Both situations are directly about wanting to have sex with men. There are zero translations to weak or anything like that. It was sometimes used to describe a weak man by saying that he is so weak that the reason why he is so weak is he must be a faggot. This is an example of the kind of way this word was used.

Argr/Ragr was the worst insult that they had, and it was so bad that anybody who accuses somebody of being Argr/Ragr is allowed to be killed for this. It is damaging enough of an accusation that death is the fair punishment for it.

There were some cultures where homosexuality was accepted. It is wrong to say it was never accepted anywhere. But it is even more wrong to say that it was accepted everywhere, or even to say that it was accepted in most places. Anybody who says the Vikings accepted this couldn't possibly be further from the truth.

Wrong. There is no literal translation to that term, but it was used as an adjective to refer to weakness and meekness as well as other unethical psychological, moral and physical characteristics a person could have. It has nothing to do with homosexuality ("faggot") and nothing to do with sexual promiscuity ("whore"). It has to do with being an untermensch, an NPC.

It was accepted in all advanced White civilisations such as Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Vedic India, Thule, Ancient Druidic places, Mesopotamia, Ancient Rome (before the Flavians) as well even Atlantis/Kumara Kandam.

There were no specific words for it, as the Ancients didn't have words to speak about any sexual "vocation". It is modern over-labelling and nothing else. Calling yourself homo, hetero or bi doesn't add anything to you or means anything. It doesn't help you grow either.

Abrahamic people clearly invented slander against them, as that's their nature. You people clearly never did any regression to the ancient world, nor did you astral project and saw events in the astral.

As far as the pink swastika goes, that was for paedophiles, rapists and other scum who indulges in unhealthy sexual behaviour (i.e. necrophiles, zoophiles, BDSM, humiliation, degradation, and so on)

Dont be sad my brother)
Satan doesnt believe in what they say.
All of our High priests and High priestesses mentioned many times He has nothing against homosexuals.
There is nothing wrong with you just keep worshipping Satan)

 

[Missrainbow]

Not everybody who ever lived in every location in the world, and every moment in time, will agree with every action that you want to do. And in times and locations when some people did agree with some action, there were still some people who did not. There is no right for everything you want to do to be universally liked by everybody in history.

We dont want you to like us,we want the same respect everyone receives and we hate discriminations against us
Ancient people were not good people if they killed homosexuals or disrespected them all the time.
It is not okay to bully people because they love the way they do

 

[Academic Scholar]

it is retarded to be a national socialist that promotes homosexuality. some of you clearly spend too much time online and have no relationship to NS in the real world. I'm not gonna waste my time debunking all these claims some of you have made but this is a good study on the kind of fabrications you are probably following: https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E

Real nazis? You mean Neo-Nazis who are the ones who understand nothing about NS? https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86503 The memes there explain pretty well the difference between real NS and the garbage you read.

You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany to listen to their actually speeches or see how things actually were vs what you think they were.

Do I even need to respond to this? Those people would beat the shit out of you anime boy :lol:

"You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany" translation: you don't base your beliefs on the unverifiable occult experiences of anime pfps on forums and some memes he made

Seriously tho I think you don't realize how ridiculous this is. it's totally fair to point out the niggerish, degenerate culture that has arisen in some parts of our movement but this is largely to keep up with prison/street culture that targets white youth. This is how people less fortunate than yourself survive.

You have no idea whom you speak to. Stormblood is a veteran Satanist that’s been here for years, he’s a highly respected member and he’s contributed to this community.

These are the facts: there are homosexual Pagan Gods and Joyofsatan.org follows Paganism. The Abrahamic religions promote killing gay people.

Why would I care about what consenting adults do behind closed doors? Homosexuality doesn’t = anal sex, there’s gay couples that don’t practice anal sex while there’s heterosexual couples that do.

This is directly from the Joy of Satan website:

All consenting sex in Satanism is free- straight, gay, bi-sexual, group sex, etc. Your sex life is your own personal business. This also includes those who choose to remain sexually inactive, or who are a-sexual. Your sex life, however you choose to live it is your own business!

Source: Spiritual Satanism For New People

Since you want to claim that the ancient Pagan civilizations were against homosexuality:

• Apollo, the god of sun and music, is considered the patron of same sex love, as he had many male lovers and was often invoked to bless homosexual unions. Source: Myths and Mysteries of Same-Sex Love by Christine Downing

• In the poetry of Sappho, Aphrodite is identified as the patron of lesbians. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner, p. 64

• Other gods are sometimes considered patrons of homosexual love between males, such as the love goddess Aphrodite and gods in her retinue, such as the Erotes: Eros, Himeros and Pothos. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner

• Eros is also part of a trinity of gods that played roles in homoerotic relationships, along with Heracles and Hermes, who bestowed qualities of beauty (and loyalty), strength, and eloquence, respectively, onto male lovers. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner, p. 132

The Origins and Role of Same-Sex Relations In Human Societies by James Neill, pages 126-127:

An observation of the Roman writer Tacitus has sometimes been used to claim the Germanic tribes condemned homosexuality. Tacitus stated that the Germans drowned in swamps those who were ignavos et imbelles et corpore infames, usually translated as 'slothful and unwarlike and infamous in body.' The latter expression has been taken by some to mean passive homosexuals, perhaps those above a certain age. However, this seems to be a superficial reading which comports nicely with the anti-homosexual prejudice of its adherents...

To apply the phrase, 'those with infamous bodies' to homosexuals would not have made any sense to readers of the period in which Tacitus wrote, the Roman Empire of the first century A.D., where homosexuality was taken for granted, participated in by a vast majority of the population at some point in their lives, and where male homosexual prostitutes were so well established that their earnings were taxed and they had their own national holiday. A description of homosexuals as corpore infames, in fact, resembles more the anti-homosexual preaching of ascetic Christian clerics of later periods.

The phrase more likely was meant by Tacitus to refer to the deformed, or those who avoided military service by maiming themselves, which would be consistent with the first two categories of individuals named by Tacitus, the slothful and unwarlike, and who would be people who would have no place in the rigidly ordered scheme of things contemplated by the Germanic military ethic.

The Homo & the Negro by James J. O'Meara, page 31:

[P]rohibitions against same-sex relations hence the fear of homosexuality comes from an alien desert religion... Many traditions had a very different attitude towards same-sex relations prior to their infection by Christianity.

Japanese Buddhism had a strong homoerotic element as did the Samurai, it was only Christian missionaries that did away with such traditions.

Sadly many of the Eddic references to same-sex relations are negative but that is to be expected considering they have come down through the hands of Christian scribes!

 

[wolfhammer922]

Real nazis? You mean Neo-Nazis who are the ones who understand nothing about NS? https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86503 The memes there explain pretty well the difference between real NS and the garbage you read.

You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany to listen to their actually speeches or see how things actually were vs what you think they were.

Do I even need to respond to this? Those people would beat the shit out of you anime boy :lol:

"You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany" translation: you don't base your beliefs on the unverifiable occult experiences of anime pfps on forums and some memes he made

Seriously tho I think you don't realize how ridiculous this is. it's totally fair to point out the niggerish, degenerate culture that has arisen in some parts of our movement but this is largely to keep up with prison/street culture that targets white youth. This is how people less fortunate than yourself survive.

You have no idea whom you speak to. Stormblood is a veteran Satanist that’s been here for years, he’s a highly respected member and he’s contributed to this community.

These are the facts: there are homosexual Pagan Gods and Joyofsatan.org follows Paganism. The Abrahamic religions promote killing gay people.

Why would I care about what consenting adults do behind closed doors? Homosexuality doesn’t = anal sex, there’s gay couples that don’t practice anal sex while there’s heterosexual couples that do.

This is directly from the Joy of Satan website:

All consenting sex in Satanism is free- straight, gay, bi-sexual, group sex, etc. Your sex life is your own personal business. This also includes those who choose to remain sexually inactive, or who are a-sexual. Your sex life, however you choose to live it is your own business!

Source: Spiritual Satanism For New People

Since you want to claim that the ancient Pagan civilizations were against homosexuality:

• Apollo, the god of sun and music, is considered the patron of same sex love, as he had many male lovers and was often invoked to bless homosexual unions. Source: Myths and Mysteries of Same-Sex Love by Christine Downing

• In the poetry of Sappho, Aphrodite is identified as the patron of lesbians. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner, p. 64

• Other gods are sometimes considered patrons of homosexual love between males, such as the love goddess Aphrodite and gods in her retinue, such as the Erotes: Eros, Himeros and Pothos. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner

• Eros is also part of a trinity of gods that played roles in homoerotic relationships, along with Heracles and Hermes, who bestowed qualities of beauty (and loyalty), strength, and eloquence, respectively, onto male lovers. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner, p. 132

The Origins and Role of Same-Sex Relations In Human Societies by James Neill, pages 126-127:

An observation of the Roman writer Tacitus has sometimes been used to claim the Germanic tribes condemned homosexuality. Tacitus stated that the Germans drowned in swamps those who were ignavos et imbelles et corpore infames, usually translated as 'slothful and unwarlike and infamous in body.' The latter expression has been taken by some to mean passive homosexuals, perhaps those above a certain age. However, this seems to be a superficial reading which comports nicely with the anti-homosexual prejudice of its adherents...

To apply the phrase, 'those with infamous bodies' to homosexuals would not have made any sense to readers of the period in which Tacitus wrote, the Roman Empire of the first century A.D., where homosexuality was taken for granted, participated in by a vast majority of the population at some point in their lives, and where male homosexual prostitutes were so well established that their earnings were taxed and they had their own national holiday. A description of homosexuals as corpore infames, in fact, resembles more the anti-homosexual preaching of ascetic Christian clerics of later periods.

The phrase more likely was meant by Tacitus to refer to the deformed, or those who avoided military service by maiming themselves, which would be consistent with the first two categories of individuals named by Tacitus, the slothful and unwarlike, and who would be people who would have no place in the rigidly ordered scheme of things contemplated by the Germanic military ethic.

The Homo & the Negro by James J. O'Meara, page 31:

[P]rohibitions against same-sex relations hence the fear of homosexuality comes from an alien desert religion... Many traditions had a very different attitude towards same-sex relations prior to their infection by Christianity.

Japanese Buddhism had a strong homoerotic element as did the Samurai, it was only Christian missionaries that did away with such traditions.

Sadly many of the Eddic references to same-sex relations are negative but that is to be expected considering they have come down through the hands of Christian scribes!

Oh no, I've spoken down to a high-ranking anime forum poster! Hilarious. You should be ashamed of how much of a dork you are.

All the Greek mythological references and the Illiad that people reference are thoroughly debunked as depictions of regular friendships between two men. This is like saying Frodo and Sam in lord of the rings are gay. The only real references in Greek myth are to "homosexual" rape from Satyrs.

These books are all written by "gay activists". You can tell by titles such as "queer myth" and so on. Where do you find this stuff, you local university's gender studies curriculum?

Joy of Satan is not my gospel. It is the closest thing to my beliefs so I support it. If you can find another Satanist, National Socialist organization that isn't O9A (and thus not either of these things in truth) I would love to see it.

 

[wolfhammer922]

Real nazis? You mean Neo-Nazis who are the ones who understand nothing about NS? https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86503 The memes there explain pretty well the difference between real NS and the garbage you read.

You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany to listen to their actually speeches or see how things actually were vs what you think they were.

Do I even need to respond to this? Those people would beat the shit out of you anime boy :lol:

"You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany" translation: you don't base your beliefs on the unverifiable occult experiences of anime pfps on forums and some memes he made

Seriously tho I think you don't realize how ridiculous this is. it's totally fair to point out the niggerish, degenerate culture that has arisen in some parts of our movement but this is largely to keep up with prison/street culture that targets white youth. This is how people less fortunate than yourself survive.

Anyone who EVER try to raise their hands on my brothers or sisters WILL FUCKING LOSE THAT HAND.

Lets make this clear for you and the likes of you,THE ONLY REASON we accept Hitler and nazis is because SATANISM wants us to accept them

So If a nazi or whoever the fuck tries to bother my brothers and sisters that are Satanists,LET ALONE trying to beat them like you mentioned,They are gonna lose one hand or two,maybe a head on top of that.

Also dont make some political party our main goal,We arent here for Neo Nazis even though we respect Hitler,WE are here because of Satan and as long as he accepts us you and others have no right to judge us or turn us away from the way of Gods.

Why we accept homosexuals or are homosexuals?
BECAUSE GODS ARE COMPLETELY OKAY WITH US BEING HOMOSEXUALS AND THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT

We keep worshipping Satan,NONE can turn us away,None

Hilariously delusional

 

[Egon]

Are really there any homosexual Gods? I wonder, respectfully if there are those quotes from HPS Maxine or HP Hooded.

Many of these sources are outdated, and were a preffered use by sexually deprived ex-priests who claimed severely blasphemous nonsense like Set being a "patron of BDSM" or whatever, from that to the more insidious claims that the allegories of Apollo and Hyacinthus serve as the prove this highest God has any interest in what humans do in their playtime.

James O'Meara is one of such sources of the former pristhood, who is very sus already for being a part of the alt-right.

Now it is true HPS Maxine took the Greek approach and let homosexuals be as they please, same as one's diet etc., so long it didn't come between someone and their development, or harm other people. Because the church approach of a strict code of behavior of just banning people, won't let those people face their own degeneracy and maybe fixing them, like weird but not criminal fetishes, eating unhealthily etc.

However HPS Maxine never said just because you won't be excluded for being gay, having whatever lawful fetish, or eating whatever one wants, also means that these are ideal behaviors for anyone to have, that the Gods do the same stuff, or that meditation won't change one's vices or vocations.

All the hyper-homosexualist claims came with the later priesthood, and all the blasphemous nonsense that convinced a lot of people even myself. Yet the same degenerates were banning or warding off people left and right for not agreeing with them.

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These are the facts: there are homosexual Pagan Gods and Joyofsatan.org follows Paganism. The Abrahamic religions promote killing gay people.
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This is directly from the Joy of Satan website:

All consenting sex in Satanism is free- straight, gay, bi-sexual, group sex, etc. Your sex life is your own personal business. This also includes those who choose to remain sexually inactive, or who are a-sexual. Your sex life, however you choose to live it is your own business!

Source: Spiritual Satanism For New People

Since you want to claim that the ancient Pagan civilizations were against homosexuality:

• Apollo, the god of sun and music, is considered the patron of same sex love, as he had many male lovers and was often invoked to bless homosexual unions. Source: Myths and Mysteries of Same-Sex Love by Christine Downing

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The Homo & the Negro by James J. O'Meara

 

[Missrainbow]

Do I even need to respond to this? Those people would beat the shit out of you anime boy :lol:

"You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany" translation: you don't base your beliefs on the unverifiable occult experiences of anime pfps on forums and some memes he made

Seriously tho I think you don't realize how ridiculous this is. it's totally fair to point out the niggerish, degenerate culture that has arisen in some parts of our movement but this is largely to keep up with prison/street culture that targets white youth. This is how people less fortunate than yourself survive.

Anyone who EVER try to raise their hands on my brothers or sisters WILL FUCKING LOSE THAT HAND.

Lets make this clear for you and the likes of you,THE ONLY REASON we accept Hitler and nazis is because SATANISM wants us to accept them

So If a nazi or whoever the fuck tries to bother my brothers and sisters that are Satanists,LET ALONE trying to beat them like you mentioned,They are gonna lose one hand or two,maybe a head on top of that.

Also dont make some political party our main goal,We arent here for Neo Nazis even though we respect Hitler,WE are here because of Satan and as long as he accepts us you and others have no right to judge us or turn us away from the way of Gods.

Why we accept homosexuals or are homosexuals?
BECAUSE GODS ARE COMPLETELY OKAY WITH US BEING HOMOSEXUALS AND THERE IS NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO ABOUT IT

We keep worshipping Satan,NONE can turn us away,None

Hilariously delusional

Nope,you are.
If you are a Satanist,you cant be a gay basher and you cant be friends with non Satanists
But all you keep talking about is what non Satanists think of homosexuals)
It is clear we should not be friends with people that are not Satanists,now keep talking as much as you want.

Maybe instead of gatekeeping adult people's ass try to learn about Satanism and Spirituality.Read High priest's sermon about homosexuality in the library.

 

[Missrainbow]

Do I even need to respond to this? Those people would beat the shit out of you anime boy :lol:

"You obviously also never talked to Lord Hitler, Himmler, or regressed to NS times in Germany" translation: you don't base your beliefs on the unverifiable occult experiences of anime pfps on forums and some memes he made

Seriously tho I think you don't realize how ridiculous this is. it's totally fair to point out the niggerish, degenerate culture that has arisen in some parts of our movement but this is largely to keep up with prison/street culture that targets white youth. This is how people less fortunate than yourself survive.

You have no idea whom you speak to. Stormblood is a veteran Satanist that’s been here for years, he’s a highly respected member and he’s contributed to this community.

These are the facts: there are homosexual Pagan Gods and Joyofsatan.org follows Paganism. The Abrahamic religions promote killing gay people.

Why would I care about what consenting adults do behind closed doors? Homosexuality doesn’t = anal sex, there’s gay couples that don’t practice anal sex while there’s heterosexual couples that do.

This is directly from the Joy of Satan website:

All consenting sex in Satanism is free- straight, gay, bi-sexual, group sex, etc. Your sex life is your own personal business. This also includes those who choose to remain sexually inactive, or who are a-sexual. Your sex life, however you choose to live it is your own business!

Source: Spiritual Satanism For New People

Since you want to claim that the ancient Pagan civilizations were against homosexuality:

• Apollo, the god of sun and music, is considered the patron of same sex love, as he had many male lovers and was often invoked to bless homosexual unions. Source: Myths and Mysteries of Same-Sex Love by Christine Downing

• In the poetry of Sappho, Aphrodite is identified as the patron of lesbians. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner, p. 64

• Other gods are sometimes considered patrons of homosexual love between males, such as the love goddess Aphrodite and gods in her retinue, such as the Erotes: Eros, Himeros and Pothos. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner

• Eros is also part of a trinity of gods that played roles in homoerotic relationships, along with Heracles and Hermes, who bestowed qualities of beauty (and loyalty), strength, and eloquence, respectively, onto male lovers. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner, p. 132

The Origins and Role of Same-Sex Relations In Human Societies by James Neill, pages 126-127:

An observation of the Roman writer Tacitus has sometimes been used to claim the Germanic tribes condemned homosexuality. Tacitus stated that the Germans drowned in swamps those who were ignavos et imbelles et corpore infames, usually translated as 'slothful and unwarlike and infamous in body.' The latter expression has been taken by some to mean passive homosexuals, perhaps those above a certain age. However, this seems to be a superficial reading which comports nicely with the anti-homosexual prejudice of its adherents...

To apply the phrase, 'those with infamous bodies' to homosexuals would not have made any sense to readers of the period in which Tacitus wrote, the Roman Empire of the first century A.D., where homosexuality was taken for granted, participated in by a vast majority of the population at some point in their lives, and where male homosexual prostitutes were so well established that their earnings were taxed and they had their own national holiday. A description of homosexuals as corpore infames, in fact, resembles more the anti-homosexual preaching of ascetic Christian clerics of later periods.

The phrase more likely was meant by Tacitus to refer to the deformed, or those who avoided military service by maiming themselves, which would be consistent with the first two categories of individuals named by Tacitus, the slothful and unwarlike, and who would be people who would have no place in the rigidly ordered scheme of things contemplated by the Germanic military ethic.

The Homo & the Negro by James J. O'Meara, page 31:

[P]rohibitions against same-sex relations hence the fear of homosexuality comes from an alien desert religion... Many traditions had a very different attitude towards same-sex relations prior to their infection by Christianity.

Japanese Buddhism had a strong homoerotic element as did the Samurai, it was only Christian missionaries that did away with such traditions.

Sadly many of the Eddic references to same-sex relations are negative but that is to be expected considering they have come down through the hands of Christian scribes!

Oh no, I've spoken down to a high-ranking anime forum poster! Hilarious. You should be ashamed of how much of a dork you are.

All the Greek mythological references and the Illiad that people reference are thoroughly debunked as depictions of regular friendships between two men. This is like saying Frodo and Sam in lord of the rings are gay. The only real references in Greek myth are to "homosexual" rape from Satyrs.

These books are all written by "gay activists". You can tell by titles such as "queer myth" and so on. Where do you find this stuff, you local university's gender studies curriculum?

Joy of Satan is not my gospel. It is the closest thing to my beliefs so I support it. If you can find another Satanist, National Socialist organization that isn't O9A (and thus not either of these things in truth) I would love to see it.

It is not your gospel but it is my gospel and it is holy for Satanists.
It is not a made up story or some fiction you can just add to it.
If you are not a Satanist yet,I think you should read about it.The library can be good for you

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

Homosexuality, transsexuality, and all these modern "gender/sexual identities" are the result of an imbalance of the male-female principles that are balanced through kundalini practice.

NS at it's "deep core" is about ensuring the existence of the white race, the LGBT agenda encourages white kids to chemically or surgically castrate themselves and engage in degenerate, promiscuous sexual activity that does not produce children. You can make some meaningless distinction that this is the "modern Jewish LGBT movement" all you want but that changes nothing.

What Stolas216 was trying to point out as well, is that by promoting homosexuality in our ranks we are opening the way for predators who will say things like "you cannot do this or that spiritually without engaging in this or that sexual activity." Most people who have real world experience in the occult have met these kinds of people, and those types take up whatever variety of hermeticism or some brand of "satanism" as a way to prey on young boys.

As Satanism is the path of transformation, there is always a better way to do things. Human sexuality is correlated with very powerful energies and therefore has been attacked by the enemy in the past for this reason. It is also for this reason that we try to limit how much we control others in this way, as what arouses someone is hard to change when you are talking about something fundamental like gender preferences.

What the modern LGBT movement has done is horrendous and it is certainly a meaningful distinction to note, but this can be hard to realize as you may not easily find an LGBT person who is not heavily affiliated with this Marxist corruption.

Your concern of people corrupting sexuality to mean that someone HAS to be a certain way will not be realized, as there are smart enough people existing in this community. I would also point out the hypocrisy in your attacks on homosexuality, which would make it so gays might find a similar type of alienation here.

In reality, there is no pressing spiritual concern from the existence of gay people. We do not support gender transitions, nor do we support gays raising kids on their own, but this is much different from the existence of gays within our movement. On this path, we solve all problems, including those beyond the scope of gender or sexuality, therefore it is more important for people to be meditating, rather than fighting over philosophy about issues which have no pressing concerns.

There is no need to concern ourselves with any of these past authors, whether they are pro or anti gay, either, as this issue can be resolved by understanding the problems and solutions we already have, and the correct prioritization of these.

Everyone should focus on their personal safety, prosperity, and meditations. These threads prove to be a waste of time because there is nothing to actually resolve here.

 

[Stormblood]

Dont be sad my brother)
Satan doesnt believe in what they say.
All of our High priests and High priestesses mentioned many times He has nothing against homosexuals.
There is nothing wrong with you just keep worshipping Satan)

I mean, if that helps them sleep at night, let them believe whatever they want.

In the end what's clear is that we have 2 new members with no track record of helping the community in any way. Joining the forum just to go on a crusade against non-heterosexual people is only going to build a negative reputation for them, which in their arrogance and selfishness they will not care about. That is, if they aren't outright infiltrators and trolls.

If they want to amount to something, they should set their sights in this something that supports and nurtures the SS community's growth, instead of wasting their time reading products from enemy-infiltrated (and enemy-led) groups and taking their carefully-constructed web of lies at face value.

If any damage actually comes to the community, then there will actually be an issue.

What I'm surprised is that Egon and Ol Argedco Luciftias are jumping on the bandwagon. I guess they got nothing better to do with their time nowadays, unlike JG Blitz who's always the voice of reason and a major caregiver of the community.

 

[Karnonnos [JG]]

If we believe the Viking and Germanic texts as they are 'written', earg/argr was used to refer to any men who practiced Magick (seithr/seithmenn) on any basis. That's exactly why many Odinist NS organizations call male Magick practitioners 'sodomites' and 'Gomorroheans'. According to every text, ONLY women EVER were permitted to use Magick or divination under any circumstances. Even though seithr was associated with Odin, according to these 'texts', any man who used Magick, particularly to divine the future, was labelled as a coward and killed. That is also reflected in the so-called 'law canons'.

Having regressed myself, I noted how the enemy twisted the meaning of the mystery cults (especially those of Isis and Dionysus) with endless smears, bullshit and lies in this direction, so it wouldn't shock me if the same thing happened to Odin.

And from what I know, I wouldn't call it 'accepted', but it wasn't hated either. The closest thing one can say is that it was regarded mostly like how it is in Japan, past and present. There were niches for it, but others were not fans of it, and they had no reason to be fans because they didn't want to be involved or especially as a strapping boy get buttfucked by some aggressor, groomer or perv. Mostly people did not give a shit about things that had zero relevance to themselves.

But the idea of all of it coming out of nowhere doesn't stand up to scrutiny if you read Ancient Greek or Latin. If you read Catullus, Martial, Petronius, Macchius Plautus or Horace (a former slave) you are assaulted with sexual imagery (both hetero and homosexual) mostly among the 'plebs', NOT among some decadent and effeminate elite with 'Epsteins running round' (this opinion is straight outta the church fathers). Most of this material is hyper-explicit and over the top, so much so that the Victorians had to censor it or translate it badly deliberately. A lot of the stuff remaining from Pompeii is in this direction as well.

I agree with HP Cobra that jews, pro-gay lobby and others muddying the waters have lied about the term erotes [which in many cases just means 'meeting of the minds' and relates to Aprodite Urania, frankly a lot of the time it doesn't even make sense in a sexual context], and also lied about erastes and eromenos. There is nothing in the latter two terms that conveys anything sexual. That was also my experience in regression here too.

On the other hand, if you read something like Straton or various other Greek poets, you're greeted with something like this:

There is really no other way to translate that.

There is also the Ephesian Tale which is one of the few novel-length things from Ancient Greek. A female character called Kallirhoe replies to her boyfriend's accusations of sexual infidelity that he was with many boys himself before he was with her. The context of this remark frankly does not make any sense outside of her accusing him of one thing only.

Rightly or wrongly, the reason Xenophon's Socrates criticizes the idea Patroclus and Achilles were sexual together is because this was already a widespread belief. The play of the Achilleis by Aeschlyus that supposedly made it latently erotic and was mega popular. However highminded the original play might have been, the fact Achilles says to Patroclus dead, naked body "you are ungrateful for the thousands of kisses I gave you" right after referencing his thighs probably didn't help. Other authors over the years comment on this play too.

There are also authors commenting on the line in the original Iliad where Achilles says that he wishes all other Greeks would perish at once, so he and Patroclus could conquer Troy alone. Understandably the strange and intense implications of this statement pissed off a lot of ancient commentators through the years. Other authors commented on the ashes being mixed and the tomb in the Odyssey and came to their own conclusions.

All of that does not make them gay, but obviously, the fact these insinuations existed isn't the product of a conspiracy in itself.

It's very easy to make an argument from omission on things like this and dress it up in a curated way to a YouTube audience who don't know anything about ancient history either way. Likewise Jackson claiming that earg means 'homosexual' when I've never seen a single Viking be called 'earg' in any of the texts for buttfucking a man. The petinence manuals from the church in England and France are mostly clear that it is an abomination on both sides, yet the Vikings don't direct this at the penetrator even once.

Then there is also the pro-gay lobby dressing every thing up as gay and just lying and not even making any sense whatsoever, as if an entire nation can prolong itself with fags or NAMBLA alone, and seeing the Epstein smear of that idiot as something positive, as if that isn't completely schizophrenic.

Are really there any homosexual Gods? I wonder, respectfully if there are those quotes from HPS Maxine or HP Hooded.

Any with inclinations toward the same sex are generally of the Demon orders and appear to those who request such a thing. The highest Gods, it's mostly entirely irrelevant as they only appear to humans in this specific context with past life ties, whatever combination that is. Ones that did not include Jake.

The bullshit about Set being the patron of BDSM for gays is absolutely ridiculous, given Set is a MONOGAMOUS GOD WITH A WIFE who represented monogamy in itself in Egypt . At least he got it right that Set is White I guess :roll:

 

[wolfhammer922]

If we believe the Viking and Germanic texts as they are 'written', earg/argr was used to refer to any men who practiced Magick (seithr/seithmenn) on any basis. That's exactly why many Odinist NS organizations call male Magick practitioners 'sodomites' and 'Gomorroheans'. According to every text, ONLY women EVER were permitted to use Magick or divination under any circumstances. Even though seithr was associated with Odin, according to these 'texts', any man who used Magick, particularly to divine the future, was labelled as a coward and killed. That is also reflected in the so-called 'law canons'.

Having regressed myself, I noted how the enemy twisted the meaning of the mystery cults (especially those of Isis and Dionysus) with endless smears, bullshit and lies in this direction, so it wouldn't shock me if the same thing happened to Odin.

And from what I know, I wouldn't call it 'accepted', but it wasn't hated either. The closest thing one can say is that it was regarded mostly like how it is in Japan, past and present. There were niches for it, but others were not fans of it, and they had no reason to be fans because they didn't want to be involved or especially as a strapping boy get buttfucked by some aggressor, groomer or perv. Mostly people did not give a shit about things that had zero relevance to themselves.

But the idea of all of it coming out of nowhere doesn't stand up to scrutiny if you read Ancient Greek or Latin. If you read Catullus, Martial, Petronius, Macchius Plautus or Horace (a former slave) you are assaulted with sexual imagery (both hetero and homosexual) mostly among the 'plebs', NOT among some decadent and effeminate elite with 'Epsteins running round' (this opinion is straight outta the church fathers). Most of this material is hyper-explicit and over the top, so much so that the Victorians had to censor it or translate it badly deliberately. A lot of the stuff remaining from Pompeii is in this direction as well.

I agree with HP Cobra that jews, pro-gay lobby and others muddying the waters have lied about the term erotes [which in many cases just means 'meeting of the minds' and relates to Aprodite Urania, frankly a lot of the time it doesn't even make sense in a sexual context], and also lied about erastes and eromenos. There is nothing in the latter two terms that conveys anything sexual. That was also my experience in regression here too.

On the other hand, if you read something like Straton or various other Greek poets, you're greeted with something like this:

There is really no other way to translate that.

There is also the Ephesian Tale which is one of the few novel-length things from Ancient Greek. A female character called Kallirhoe replies to her boyfriend's accusations of sexual infidelity that he was with many boys himself before he was with her. The context of this remark frankly does not make any sense outside of her accusing him of one thing only.

Rightly or wrongly, the reason Xenophon's Socrates criticizes the idea Patroclus and Achilles were sexual together is because this was already a widespread belief. The play of the Achilleis by Aeschlyus that supposedly made it latently erotic and was mega popular. However highminded the original play might have been, the fact Achilles says to Patroclus dead, naked body "you are ungrateful for the thousands of kisses I gave you" right after referencing his thighs probably didn't help. Other authors over the years comment on this play too.

There are also authors commenting on the line in the original Iliad where Achilles says that he wishes all other Greeks would perish at once, so he and Patroclus could conquer Troy alone. Understandably the strange and intense implications of this statement pissed off a lot of ancient commentators through the years. Other authors commented on the ashes being mixed and the tomb in the Odyssey and came to their own conclusions.

All of that does not make them gay, but obviously, the fact these insinuations existed isn't the product of a conspiracy in itself.

It's very easy to make an argument from omission on things like this and dress it up in a curated way to a YouTube audience who don't know anything about ancient history either way. Likewise Jackson claiming that earg means 'homosexual' when I've never seen a single Viking be called 'earg' in any of the texts for buttfucking a man. The petinence manuals from the church in England and France are mostly clear that it is an abomination on both sides, yet the Vikings don't direct this at the penetrator even once.

Then there is also the pro-gay lobby dressing every thing up as gay and just lying and not even making any sense whatsoever, as if an entire nation can prolong itself with fags or NAMBLA alone, and seeing the Epstein smear of that idiot as something positive, as if that isn't completely schizophrenic.

Are really there any homosexual Gods? I wonder, respectfully if there are those quotes from HPS Maxine or HP Hooded.

Any with inclinations toward the same sex are generally of the Demon orders and appear to those who request such a thing. The highest Gods, it's mostly entirely irrelevant as they only appear to humans in this specific context with past life ties, whatever combination that is. Ones that did not include Jake.

The bullshit about Set being the patron of BDSM for gays is absolutely ridiculous, given Set is a MONOGAMOUS GOD WITH A WIFE who represented monogamy in itself in Egypt . At least he got it right that Set is White I guess :roll:

Meaningless conjecture and obfuscation

 

[wolfhammer922]

Dont be sad my brother)
Satan doesnt believe in what they say.
All of our High priests and High priestesses mentioned many times He has nothing against homosexuals.
There is nothing wrong with you just keep worshipping Satan)

I mean, if that helps them sleep at night, let them believe whatever they want.

In the end what's clear is that we have 2 new members with no track record of helping the community in any way. Joining the forum just to go on a crusade against non-heterosexual people is only going to build a negative reputation for them, which in their arrogance and selfishness they will not care about. That is, if they aren't outright infiltrators and trolls.

If they want to amount to something, they should set their sights in this something that supports and nurtures the SS community's growth, instead of wasting their time reading products from enemy-infiltrated (and enemy-led) groups and taking their carefully-constructed web of lies at face value.

If any damage actually comes to the community, then there will actually be an issue.

What I'm surprised is that Egon and Ol Argedco Luciftias are jumping on the bandwagon. I guess they got nothing better to do with their time nowadays, unlike JG Blitz who's always the voice of reason and a major caregiver of the community.

I am not new, just a new account. I've been involved with JoS and other occult orgs for nearly a decade

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

As I have said many times before, being gay is completely natural and correct for a very small percentage of people. This is natural for them and there is nothing wrong with this. I have never said the opposite of this, so I don't know why people assume that I did. I guess only because of being over sensitive or defensive.

My reason for replying in this topic is because I care extremely much about truth. And I believe it is evil to go against the truth. People who I think have good intentions and I think are mostly correct, I saw using what I think are lies to support their arguments. Lying about history in what I think are very clear and obvious ways. This is something I have no patience for so I felt I had to reply and tell the truth. I do not believe any lie is justified even if you think it has a good motive of making you feel better emotionally.

This is not going on any bandwagon. This is not siding with trolls, infiltrators, untrusted people, or anything else like that. I am not on any team against any of the good people here. I am myself, and my wagon is myself. I simply and purely am standing up for Truth and reality. Standing up against historical lies. It is an absolute lie that homosexuality was liked or accepted by all people in all locations and all times, and it is an act of erasing historical truth to pretend that it was accepted everywhere by everyone. And this action of erasing history is what I disagree with. And it is also an absolute lie to say it was never accepted anywhere by anyone.

Homosexuality was accepted by some people in some locations. It was accepted in differing amounts between different people in different places and times. And even within one population where some people accepted it, there always have been some people who didn't. For the largest reason that homosexuals are an extremely small percentage of the population, and most people are the exact opposite of this. So in all places and times, the majority of people did not personally want to do any gay actions and naturally felt a personal aversion to these things. Why would they go so far out of their ways to try to accept something that does not personally apply to them? The most "support" that homosexuals ever got was ignoring them and not bothering them, which I agree is the right thing to do. They should not be harmed or bothered in any way. But they were never treated as being special or being better than anyone, and there was never a time where everybody likes what they are doing. The best they ever had, and what they should have, is to ignore them and let them do what they want. Just don't involve any children or anyone else who doesn't consent.



If I am wrong about anything, please share with me evidence of what is right. I am always open minded to learn more and follow the truth, and I have no desire to hold onto some past belief if it is untrue.

But if the only evidence against me is (oyy vey, bandwagon. How dare you say one detail similar to what somebody else said.) Then I am not interested. I am saying what I am saying, and what anyone else says has nothing to do with me because they are not me. I assume Egon feels the same way and also wants to be judged only by his own statements, and not lumped together with people who have nothing to do with him.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

....

Please do not mistake the opinions of people who lived in Iceland a thousand years ago, for being the same as my opinion.
I do not care about gay people and I don't treat them any different from anyone else. I don't have anything bad toward them.
I just don't agree with lying about history and pretending that their actions were universally loved and praised by everybody who ever lived in the whole history of the world.

 

[TheWhiteGiant]

If we believe the Viking and Germanic texts as they are 'written', earg/argr was used to refer to any men who practiced Magick (seithr/seithmenn) on any basis. That's exactly why many Odinist NS organizations call male Magick practitioners 'sodomites' and 'Gomorroheans'. According to every text, ONLY women EVER were permitted to use Magick or divination under any circumstances. Even though seithr was associated with Odin, according to these 'texts', any man who used Magick, particularly to divine the future, was labelled as a coward and killed. That is also reflected in the so-called 'law canons'.

Having regressed myself, I noted how the enemy twisted the meaning of the mystery cults (especially those of Isis and Dionysus) with endless smears, bullshit and lies in this direction, so it wouldn't shock me if the same thing happened to Odin.

And from what I know, I wouldn't call it 'accepted', but it wasn't hated either. The closest thing one can say is that it was regarded mostly like how it is in Japan, past and present. There were niches for it, but others were not fans of it, and they had no reason to be fans because they didn't want to be involved or especially as a strapping boy get buttfucked by some aggressor, groomer or perv. Mostly people did not give a shit about things that had zero relevance to themselves.

But the idea of all of it coming out of nowhere doesn't stand up to scrutiny if you read Ancient Greek or Latin. If you read Catullus, Martial, Petronius, Macchius Plautus or Horace (a former slave) you are assaulted with sexual imagery (both hetero and homosexual) mostly among the 'plebs', NOT among some decadent and effeminate elite with 'Epsteins running round' (this opinion is straight outta the church fathers). Most of this material is hyper-explicit and over the top, so much so that the Victorians had to censor it or translate it badly deliberately. A lot of the stuff remaining from Pompeii is in this direction as well.

I agree with HP Cobra that jews, pro-gay lobby and others muddying the waters have lied about the term erotes [which in many cases just means 'meeting of the minds' and relates to Aprodite Urania, frankly a lot of the time it doesn't even make sense in a sexual context], and also lied about erastes and eromenos. There is nothing in the latter two terms that conveys anything sexual. That was also my experience in regression here too.

On the other hand, if you read something like Straton or various other Greek poets, you're greeted with something like this:

There is really no other way to translate that.

There is also the Ephesian Tale which is one of the few novel-length things from Ancient Greek. A female character called Kallirhoe replies to her boyfriend's accusations of sexual infidelity that he was with many boys himself before he was with her. The context of this remark frankly does not make any sense outside of her accusing him of one thing only.

Rightly or wrongly, the reason Xenophon's Socrates criticizes the idea Patroclus and Achilles were sexual together is because this was already a widespread belief. The play of the Achilleis by Aeschlyus that supposedly made it latently erotic and was mega popular. However highminded the original play might have been, the fact Achilles says to Patroclus dead, naked body "you are ungrateful for the thousands of kisses I gave you" right after referencing his thighs probably didn't help. Other authors over the years comment on this play too.

There are also authors commenting on the line in the original Iliad where Achilles says that he wishes all other Greeks would perish at once, so he and Patroclus could conquer Troy alone. Understandably the strange and intense implications of this statement pissed off a lot of ancient commentators through the years. Other authors commented on the ashes being mixed and the tomb in the Odyssey and came to their own conclusions.

All of that does not make them gay, but obviously, the fact these insinuations existed isn't the product of a conspiracy in itself.

It's very easy to make an argument from omission on things like this and dress it up in a curated way to a YouTube audience who don't know anything about ancient history either way. Likewise Jackson claiming that earg means 'homosexual' when I've never seen a single Viking be called 'earg' in any of the texts for buttfucking a man. The petinence manuals from the church in England and France are mostly clear that it is an abomination on both sides, yet the Vikings don't direct this at the penetrator even once.

Then there is also the pro-gay lobby dressing every thing up as gay and just lying and not even making any sense whatsoever, as if an entire nation can prolong itself with fags or NAMBLA alone, and seeing the Epstein smear of that idiot as something positive, as if that isn't completely schizophrenic.

Are really there any homosexual Gods? I wonder, respectfully if there are those quotes from HPS Maxine or HP Hooded.

Any with inclinations toward the same sex are generally of the Demon orders and appear to those who request such a thing. The highest Gods, it's mostly entirely irrelevant as they only appear to humans in this specific context with past life ties, whatever combination that is. Ones that did not include Jake.

The bullshit about Set being the patron of BDSM for gays is absolutely ridiculous, given Set is a MONOGAMOUS GOD WITH A WIFE who represented monogamy in itself in Egypt . At least he got it right that Set is White I guess :roll:

Let me tell you what man, I really live for how well-read ppl are here. I really appreciate this quality about this community. Even if we have faults and flaws in our understanding, the constant remains that we study regardless.

Thank you.

 

[Darkside]

Tópico desenterrado com sussesso

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

What I'm surprised is that Egon and Ol Argedco Luciftias are jumping on the bandwagon. I guess they got nothing better to do with their time nowadays, unlike JG Blitz who's always the voice of reason and a major caregiver of the community.

Don't give me that shit. Me and Egon both have spent years helping everybody and you know this full well. If you have any evidence to show I am wrong about anything, please share it. I am open minded and eager to learn more. I am fully willing to accept and admit that I am wrong if you prove to me that I am. But if all you have is slander and zero evidence or facts, then that shows the situation very clearly.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

Argi/ Ergi was used to call men weak, not homosexual.

Please tell the truth, this is just wrong. When used to describe a man, Argr/Ragr is directly translated as homosexual. The closest translation to how we speak now would be "faggot", except it has even more disgust and hatred attached to it than faggot does. When used to describe a woman, it is calling her a whore. Both situations are directly about wanting to have sex with men. There are zero translations to weak or anything like that. It was sometimes used to describe a weak man by saying that he is so weak that the reason why he is so weak is he must be a faggot. This is an example of the kind of way this word was used.

Argr/Ragr was the worst insult that they had, and it was so bad that anybody who accuses somebody of being Argr/Ragr is allowed to be killed for this. It is damaging enough of an accusation that death is the fair punishment for it.

There were some cultures where homosexuality was accepted. It is wrong to say it was never accepted anywhere. But it is even more wrong to say that it was accepted everywhere, or even to say that it was accepted in most places. Anybody who says the Vikings accepted this couldn't possibly be further from the truth.

Wrong. There is no literal translation to that term, but it was used as an adjective to refer to weakness and meekness as well as other unethical psychological, moral and physical characteristics a person could have. It has nothing to do with homosexuality ("faggot") and nothing to do with sexual promiscuity ("whore"). It has to do with being an untermensch, an NPC.

It was accepted in all advanced White civilisations such as Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, Vedic India, Thule, Ancient Druidic places, Mesopotamia, Ancient Rome (before the Flavians) as well even Atlantis/Kumara Kandam.

There were no specific words for it, as the Ancients didn't have words to speak about any sexual "vocation". It is modern over-labelling and nothing else. Calling yourself homo, hetero or bi doesn't add anything to you or means anything. It doesn't help you grow either.

Abrahamic people clearly invented slander against them, as that's their nature. You people clearly never did any regression to the ancient world, nor did you astral project and saw events in the astral.

As far as the pink swastika goes, that was for paedophiles, rapists and other scum who indulges in unhealthy sexual behaviour (i.e. necrophiles, zoophiles, BDSM, humiliation, degradation, and so on)

So the real meaning of that word is the same as the Greek Andrapod and the Germanic Untermensch which basically referred to a non-spiritual person of very low quality?

I stopped trusting all modern historians sources a long time ago, history has been totally manipulated for centuries and they are unable to understand the spiritual meaning of many ancient words and terms.

 

[Darkside]

Tópico desenterrado com sucesso

 

[Missrainbow]

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Please do not mistake the opinions of people who lived in Iceland a thousand years ago, for being the same as my opinion.
I do not care about gay people and I don't treat them any different from anyone else. I don't have anything bad toward them.
I just don't agree with lying about history and pretending that their actions were universally loved and praised by everybody who ever lived in the whole history of the world.

You are right
We sometimes glorify our ancestors too much but they were not perfect

 

[wolfhammer922]

You have no idea whom you speak to. Stormblood is a veteran Satanist that’s been here for years, he’s a highly respected member and he’s contributed to this community.

These are the facts: there are homosexual Pagan Gods and Joyofsatan.org follows Paganism. The Abrahamic religions promote killing gay people.

Why would I care about what consenting adults do behind closed doors? Homosexuality doesn’t = anal sex, there’s gay couples that don’t practice anal sex while there’s heterosexual couples that do.

This is directly from the Joy of Satan website:

Source: Spiritual Satanism For New People

Since you want to claim that the ancient Pagan civilizations were against homosexuality:

• Apollo, the god of sun and music, is considered the patron of same sex love, as he had many male lovers and was often invoked to bless homosexual unions. Source: Myths and Mysteries of Same-Sex Love by Christine Downing

• In the poetry of Sappho, Aphrodite is identified as the patron of lesbians. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner, p. 64

• Other gods are sometimes considered patrons of homosexual love between males, such as the love goddess Aphrodite and gods in her retinue, such as the Erotes: Eros, Himeros and Pothos. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner

• Eros is also part of a trinity of gods that played roles in homoerotic relationships, along with Heracles and Hermes, who bestowed qualities of beauty (and loyalty), strength, and eloquence, respectively, onto male lovers. Source: Cassell's Encyclopedia of Queer Myth, Symbol, and Spirit by Randy P. Conner, p. 132

The Origins and Role of Same-Sex Relations In Human Societies by James Neill, pages 126-127:


The Homo & the Negro by James J. O'Meara, page 31:

Oh no, I've spoken down to a high-ranking anime forum poster! Hilarious. You should be ashamed of how much of a dork you are.

All the Greek mythological references and the Illiad that people reference are thoroughly debunked as depictions of regular friendships between two men. This is like saying Frodo and Sam in lord of the rings are gay. The only real references in Greek myth are to "homosexual" rape from Satyrs.

These books are all written by "gay activists". You can tell by titles such as "queer myth" and so on. Where do you find this stuff, you local university's gender studies curriculum?

Joy of Satan is not my gospel. It is the closest thing to my beliefs so I support it. If you can find another Satanist, National Socialist organization that isn't O9A (and thus not either of these things in truth) I would love to see it.

It is not your gospel but it is my gospel and it is holy for Satanists.
It is not a made up story or some fiction you can just add to it.
If you are not a Satanist yet,I think you should read about it.The library can be good for you

More clear cut delusion, if you want to say JoS is a great resource and led you in the right path spiritually, that's one thing (and I would agree with you) but taking it up as a "holy pdf" is wild. Especially since much of the information comes from other books. I am allowed to form my own opinions on issues based on my own research.

Also you totally misunderstand the quote from Al-jilwah. we are not to associate with other RACES, not "anyone who isn't a satanist - and particularly this niche brand of it"

I am a Satanist and have been so for years, saying I have to accept homosexuality to be a Satanist completely proves my point earlier. Everyone said "we didn't say that" but you clearly are saying that.

 

[Missrainbow]

What I'm surprised is that Egon and Ol Argedco Luciftias are jumping on the bandwagon. I guess they got nothing better to do with their time nowadays, unlike JG Blitz who's always the voice of reason and a major caregiver of the community.

Don't give me that shit. Me and Egon both have spent years helping everybody and you know this full well. If you have any evidence to show I am wrong about anything, please share it. I am open minded and eager to learn more. I am fully willing to accept and admit that I am wrong if you prove to me that I am. But if all you have is slander and zero evidence or facts, then that shows the situation very clearly.

To be honest,brother Egon sounds a little bit harsh on homosexuals.Read his comments yourself.
But I think there is a misunderstanding between you and Stormblood)
You two shouldnt be mad at each other.
Please make peace with Stormblood)

 

[Missrainbow]

Dont be sad my brother)
Satan doesnt believe in what they say.
All of our High priests and High priestesses mentioned many times He has nothing against homosexuals.
There is nothing wrong with you just keep worshipping Satan)

I mean, if that helps them sleep at night, let them believe whatever they want.

In the end what's clear is that we have 2 new members with no track record of helping the community in any way. Joining the forum just to go on a crusade against non-heterosexual people is only going to build a negative reputation for them, which in their arrogance and selfishness they will not care about. That is, if they aren't outright infiltrators and trolls.

If they want to amount to something, they should set their sights in this something that supports and nurtures the SS community's growth, instead of wasting their time reading products from enemy-infiltrated (and enemy-led) groups and taking their carefully-constructed web of lies at face value.

If any damage actually comes to the community, then there will actually be an issue.

What I'm surprised is that Egon and Ol Argedco Luciftias are jumping on the bandwagon. I guess they got nothing better to do with their time nowadays, unlike JG Blitz who's always the voice of reason and a major caregiver of the community.

Brother I agree Egon is being harsh on homosexuals but I think there is a misunderstanding between you and Ol Argedco Luciftias
You two shouldnt be mad at each other
Please make peace with each other again

 

[luis]

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So the real meaning of that word is the same as the Greek Andrapod and the Germanic Untermensch which basically referred to a non-spiritual person of very low quality?

I stopped trusting all modern historians sources a long time ago, history has been totally manipulated for centuries and they are unable to understand the spiritual meaning of many ancient words and terms.

If we trust "official" history Greeks were pedophiles and the Pyramids were constructed by slaves (even if there are endless proofs it's impossible).

It would be crazy to me that advanced civilisations did not accept homosexuals, only when corruptions arrived then they were not as accepted. Obviously we do not know any small villages stories but in the Ancient civilizations it was definitely accepted.