I did not say anything about moderate drinking.
My exact statement was "small to rare" intake.
Thank you for the sources. I will read them more thoroughly when I get the chance.
Skimming thru I only saw claims about moderate to heavy drinking while the last source did bring up light drinking. (Less than 1 drink per week)
The latter concluded with light drinking being associated with lower risk of heart failure which doesn't make a strong case in what you have said.
I am not defending alcohol drinking as a past time and no one here has. I can be wrong but your messages in both threads are in the context towards anyone who defending drinking as a past time to any extent which is not case here. I find it disingenuous if thats the reply you're making which is not fair to make it seem that that's what I'm doing but if I'm reading that wrong then my apologies brother.
It's fine if a Olympic athlete never drinks and recommends people or the people he/she trains not to drink. I agree with the take of the modern mainstream vloggers who don't know what they're talking as well and can get into how many of them do have valuable knowledge that helps most people as the case with how many there are and and still most of their followers just paying for their lessons or products for little to no results.
When it comes to the spiritual aspects of one drink or two out of many months o rather side with HP HC who randomly even mentioned having a drink if he could and me and you know he meant alcoholic. The same one where you replied that you hope he meant non alcoholic which I highly doubt he did.
I'm not using his random statement as some standard as how one should drink but as a point that even someone who's way ahead in spirituality than me and you combined would see no harm in one drink out many months or even years of not drinking any type of alcohol.
My point is towards this extreme purity view that might be carried by some as if someone is going to 'hell" for one little drink.
I agree the culture of drinking every weekend at best is still stupid so me and you are on the same agreement there.
I will add more to this a little later as I'm writing this in a rush which why I also just skimmed thru the sources you provided only to see if it said anything directly pertaining to my reply which it really didn't as I myself never mentioned anything about moderate drinking which is like 1-4 drinks a week according to the sources.
Stormblood said:
:arrow: "Alcohol use and the burden for 195 countries and territories, 1990-2016: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2016", published in The Lancet in 2018;
:arrow: "Alcohol and the Human Brain: A Systematic Review of Different Neuroimaging Methods" published in Addiction Biology in 2013;
:arrow: "The Effects of Alcohol on Emotion in Social Drinkers" published in Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research in 2013;
:arrow: "Neuropsychiatric effects of alcohol," published in Neuropsychiatric Disease and Treatment in 2014;
:arrow: "Alcohol Consumption and Risk of Heart Failure: Meta-Analysis of 13 Studies," published in the Journal of the American College of Cardiology in 2014.
All these medical studies and journals show the damages of alcohol even with low to moderate intake. Feel free to give them a read. Then you can also use the spiritual faculties on 100s/1000s of drinkers and report what you see. Years of experience seeing a pattern can be just as valuable as any medical study.
Like in fitness, I will always trust an Olympic coach with decades of experience training both children and adults (not to mention university-level knowledge of anatomy, physiology and biomechanics) to the fitness trainer/vlogger next door who took a certificate in a couple of weekends and evenings and no real knowledge of the human body. The latter, unfortunately and alarmingly so, represents 95% of the fitness population who can't even do a forearm plank or press-up/push-up with proper form.