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I cannot speak for Shael but I started Iron Palm (hands only) about 3 weeks after Shael posted his original discussion, doing strikes on a canvas bag filled with uncooked rice.

I have been applying a liniment before and after the striking and whilst I was fairly consistently doing this daily for about a month, I have cut back to 2-3 times per week due to severe time constraints.

Soon enough I will be able to go back to daily, when things calm down a bit.

My hands have become noticeably callous, particularly on the palmar surface, and the tops of my knuckles have reduced sensation.

I burnt myself on the thumb yesterday picking up a hot grill, and while there is a mark, one day on the pain has already gone.

Basically, my hands are not feeling pain anywhere near as much as they used to and seem to be more resistant to heat - this is not based on the burn alone but also the feeling I get from the application of moxibustion to the hand.

As for being able to break bricks etc...

I think this may take a longer time to achieve this (ie years) as bone re-modelling is a slow process.

One thing I have noticed is that when performing acupuncture on my hands, my hands are not as sensitive to the needle, even at quite a depth.

Of course, it could be argued that this is due to nerve destruction from the high impact of the exercise although my range of motion, fingertip and palmar sensitivity (other than the reduced sensation around the callouses) remains normal, there is just a heightened pain tolerance.
 
the tops of your knuckles have reduced sensation, youre not punchin with the top of your hand are you?
also how are the tendons that run over the top of your knuckles, also how are your fingers?

I'm not convinced this iron body thing is actually that effective, I remember reading shael said that you can punch through a human skull if you train right,  at the time I had just recently punched a monkey person in the skull, it did not feel good, the effect was hilarious, but my hand was pretty fucked.
so I just don't think that I would have the strength to actually deliver the force necessary to do it, and then even if my hand could take the blow,with no loss in force, you would be too big and slow in order to match a fast fighter, one who you would actually need to land a lethal blow on.

but as for bricks, you cant break a good brick, you can break shitty bricks, but not a good one that they will sell you at lowes, like this one http://www.homedepot.com/p/8-in-x-8-in- ... /301755232or a red brick

you can break very weak ones, so long ass they are braced on the very sides. these bricks are meant to be broken heres an example
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=br ... &FORM=VIRE
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=br ... &FORM=VIRElook just how light and pathetic these bricks are
THIS ONE IS MY FAVORITEhttps://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=br ... ORM=VRDGAR

just as a way to demonstrate this, take your dominant hand and roll it into a ball, and open up your other hand, use the heel of your dominant hand to hit the palm of your other hand AS HARD AS YOU CAN, do it once, then again.
and now think about the surface,density,and the hardness of a brick, now focus on your non dominant hand,analyze it look at it and feel it, now feel the heel of your balled up dominant hand, SQUISHY RIGHT!!

if you couldn't even deal any damage to your own hand then why do you think you can use your knuckles to break a manmade rock?

anyways,i haven't seen shael on here recently, but hopefully well hear good news from him soon

HAIL SATAN
 
My striking regime consists of strikes with all parts of the hands:

- The metacarpal surface below the pinky finger,
- The first two knuckles from the thumb downwards,
- The forefinger in isolation,
- All three middle fingers at once,
- The back of my hand much like a back-handed slap and,
- An open palm with the focus on the centre of the palm at the point Nei Lao Gong.

In order to strengthen all parts of the hand and (this is the part you are obviously not receiving) signal bone re-modelling throughout the whole hand.

My fingers are fine, albeit calloused on the internal surface but my fingertip sensitivity has not changed.

My range of motion in all aspects of hand movement is totally unchanged and this is because I am appropriately applying the liniment and performing hand exercises and stretches in between times, lack of which would indicate poor technique and form.

As for your analogy about 'squishy' hands (referring to hands which have not been hardened which makes the discussion almost irrelevant but anyway) here are some stories which may seem like science fiction to you:

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nation ... wpei8.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... onths.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rison.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/shocking-v ... ch-5654147

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12664983

The human skeleton is designed to remodel itself to the applications and stresses it encounters. Since human bone is made not only from calcium but magnesium, manganese, phosphorous and other heavy metal deposits, it can become quite hard when the cellular make-up of said bone is signaled to increase the deposition of its composite elements.

Further to this, diseases of the bone occur when the bone degradation exceeds the bone remodeling, leading to porous bone diseases like osteoporosis, a condition in which bones can break from very minor trauma such as a light knock or fall.

As for breaking bricks... I'll leave this one to you to figure out.

Go and get a large bone from a cow or a sheep and whack a couple of good quality bricks with it.

The problem with your argument is that you are talking about a person who has not trained their hands whatsoever.

It's obvious you have limited life experience and have been around or witnessed some terrible things, such as fights where people get their skulls cracked open and bystanders have to rush in and hold their heads together until help arrives.

I have seen these things in person, and the people causing the damage were not iron palm practitioners, they were just assholes.

Naturally, much of my reply to you is in the same tone as you have shown because I don't believe you are actually asking Shael how he is going out of natural curiosity but because you seem intent on trying to prove a point which is based on your own limited and narrow view of the world.
 
no,i really want to see if it worked
i just dont think the results are going to be what he expected.
im not trying to prove a point, or prove you guys wrong, i just wanted to provide evidence as to why i didnt think that i could actually punch a brick with my knuckles and break it in two, i also wanted to shed some light on the misconception that martial artists can easily break bricks as if it i easy.

also i dont think that cow bone and human knuckles are a fair comparison, cow bones are way denser and bigger, and thicker ,most any brick breaking demonstration can be seen as a phony.
its not that my view of the world is narrow, ive looked far and wide on the world wide web and i havent yet found a website or video made by martial artists with superpower abilities. so im sorry if i dont belive in them.

i just wanted to see if he was still dedicated,or if it is working, i saw the instructional videos for the website he was on,it didnt look promising.
im still waiting to be proven wrong. buy a concrete block set it directly on the floor and punch it down the middle.

 
Chapman then threw a single jab, breaking Mr Woods' nose and causing him to fall backwards onto the concrete.Witness Geoffrey Fixter told police Mr Wood's head hitting the concrete sounded like a "dropped watermelon".
The grandfather-of-one had suffered a skull fracture and extensive brain damage from the fall, with the injuries leaving him in need of a wheelchair for the rest of his life.Mr Taylor was also left with a shocking dent in the side of his head caused by his skull collapsing, with the injury needing to be filled out with fat from his stomach.

The blow to Mr Turner caused him to fall to the floor and he lost consciousness. As a result of the attack he has suffered hearing lose and tinnitus.      once again, the fracture likely came from the fall, not the punch
watch how this guy mashes the back of his head STRAIGHT ON THE PAVEMENThttp://www.mirror.co.uk/news/shocking-v ... ch-5654147


he victim had suffered head injuries and a right temporoparietal craniotomy ten years prior to death. The perimortem cranial fractures were centrally located within a surgically repaired roundel of bone involving portions of the right temporal and parietal bones. Reportedly, the victim was punched on the right side of his head as he was lying on the ground with the left side of his head against an asphalt surface. 


all of these things are quite different from smushing someones skull in like a rotten watermellon with a direct punch, it clear you didnt read the articles you linked.
do you think i didnt watch the videos i sent you?
it just seems like you cant punch someone in the head and break into the cranium, even the articles you linked didnt involve this at all, the heads cracked open on the concrete below.
everyone knows you can crack your head open on the pavement if you fall, the full weight of the body on the head will surely crack the skull, but if you are punched and the direct force breaks the skin bone, brain and all, you surely have met your match at the hand of a human that does not and never will exist becasue its impossible-confucius


 
For someone who is not interested in proving the whole concept to be wrong, you sure have put a lot of energy into doing so.

Unfortunately, all you are doing is proving one thing - that you have reservations about the ability of a person to do things other than what matches your view or what has been "proven" to you.

I hope that someone has proven the abilities of the mind and chakras to you, because by your train of thought unless it is on a video that is to your specification, it must be impossible.

Iron palm is an extension of qi work, and cannot progress beyond certain limitations without it so this it is a magical working, and one which takes many years to reap a benefit, just as any magical working must have sufficient energy behind it.

To the extent that you require someone to prove something to you, which they might not obtain for several years - it is best you check back in 1-2 years to see the true outcome of such a practice, not a few weeks.

And a side note about the cow bone.. The whole point of that statement is to show that yes a cow bone is much harder, because of the weight placed on it by the cow and the subsequent bone remodelling. Human bone has the same remodelling capacity, and with appropriate work and blood circulation support (the liniment, qi practice) the same hardness can be achieved.

No amount of sarcastic confucian comments will change that because, one of confucious' true statements is about how the constant drip of water can wear away even rock - thus showing that it is not always the tensile strength of something which determines it's ability to cause another something to yield.

Futhermore, even a brick can break another brick, though both made from the same substance so how then might a bone not break another bone?

Many questions left unanswered, questions which are unlikely to be answered by the wide world of the internet, and more likely to be answered by those who try things and do things rather than those who whine about others trying.
 
That second video linked was one of the most impressive demonstrations on brick breaking I've seen actually.

You can see by the way the rocks shatter they are very real, hard rocks/bricks. The part where he does it with his fingers is very impressive, even if it was soft brick that cannot be done by ordinairy means.

Thank you for sharing that JA.
 
however, i do believe that if you beat your bones enough they do grow wicked strong, and deposit the metals into the abused tissues, but doesn't too much metal in the bone cause issues too, like bone marrow toxicity, then blood and organ issues aswell?
also arthritis, i feel like those who really have bones that feel like iron would have serious joint problems, how are you supposed to build rock hard rough bones in your hands, when that wold mess with the proper flexing of the fingers and carpals, is the linament meant to stop all of this from happening?
 
im not whining that hes trying, just building the thread up so that shael will see it, just awaiting a response, and making conversation on the topic.
im not trying to discredit anyone, but i am gonna keep busting your balls on the subject till you give me some evidence, 
i simply believe you cant punch hard enough without enough loss of energy through both peoples bodies to enter the cranium directly with a punch.and no it doesn't count if they crack their head open from FROM THE FALL,or if the head is braced on concrete.

 on the other hand i believe its been more then a few weeks.
i think its been like 2 months now no? maybe 2 and a half
yes of course if you grab a human femur, and hit someone in the top of the head 2-3 times your gonna have a fractured head, however. knuckles are really tiny in comparison to such bones especially cow bones(a cows leg might aswell be a baseball bat),  and tiny in comparison to the human head,and the strength of the dome shape.
also the strength of certain peoples heads greatly differ, some people smash their heads on concrete coming down off of a back flip on a bike, suffer pretty serious injuries, but are out of the hospital a month later, but other people trip down the stairs, land face first and never wake up.
but you also have to think about loss of energy in the hand bones,and muscles, the wrist, and the rest of the frame, and you also have to think of the dispersion of force on the guy getting hit, the energy is gonna travel through his skin, bobble his head and neck, knock his body back, the punches impact on the skull is reduced by all these things, even if there i no loss in power through the hand because of bone hardening, assuming you also harden the inner hand.
most injuries in fights are not injuries to the skeleton,but injuries to the brain and face and muscle tissue,and organs like the kidney liver and diaphragm,leaving the bone intact most all of the time. unless its very brutal

i understand it takes a long time to achieve powers of the soul,and an extraordinary body, however i was drawn into asking about his progress because i felt perhaps he gave up on it,due to his high expectations not being met.
i just want to see where he's at

 
Basically yes, the liniment prevents arthritic deformation.

Whether you believe it or not makes it no less true. People who try these techniques without the li moment wind up with disfigured hands and loss of range of motion throughout.

As for the remainder of you comments cand_crushr, no-one has any obligation to prove anything to you, and your attitude is as if somehow Shael must show you evidence or otherwise face some shaming ceremony from you.

As stated, after such a small period of time, whether a few weeks or a few months is really irrelevant as this practice takes years to get to a high level.

And as for the balance of force upon a human skull, as delivered by a fist and balanced against the subsequent backwards movement of the human body in response, I know a young guy who was punched in the jaw when he was about 18 years old and it cracked the mandible clean in half vertically from the bottom lip to the base.

His head remained upright the entire time and the guy who punched him was just an ordinary dude, with no training and certainly no directing of qi.

See the qi methods make up for the 'tiny' hand bones, as if those same bones are not backed up by the radius, the ulnar and the hunerus which movies them.

Striking with the surface on the outside of the palm, below the pinky finger recruits the energy of the spine by virtue of its energy meridian connection and thus a blow from this part of the hand can be delivered which far exceeds the 'normal' expectations of what a hand might do.
 



is this the spot?
once again, im not trying to discredit or shame anyone, i am very interested to see if he has gotten anywhere since the last time i heard from him.
like i said just relax, im only here for the purpose of becoming more knowlegable on the subject of crackin hard shit with your hands.
its still hard for me to tell, the sheer distance the rubble from the brick flies leads me to believe that the bricks are exceptionally weak, as you can tell i have a hard time believing that people can just be super strong like that.
why do all the bricks that martial artists use for demonstration look like clay? hard dryclay is easy to break so i cant be sure, but im talking about a real brick you know, like a red brick for building houses. 
also it unfair to support it only by the sides, and just have a super long,and relatively thin "brick" that easily snaps because the way it is placed.


also this is cool and all, but the wooden board that you snapped as a kid didnt require a lot of force to break at all, look how cleanly it i snapped, i dont want to burst your bubble but that looks like it was set up just like this

notice how just the very tips of the ends are braced on the concrete, i bet i could break that wood aswell.

as you said " no-one has any obligation to prove anything to you,"  
yes this is true, however i do believe you guys have an obligation to back up your claims, 
unfortunately it seems as if our definition of "breaking into the skull with a punch"
are indeed different
also the structure of the jaw allows the chin to be broken a lot like a piece of wood braced on the ends, right, so  it doesn't really compare to the naturally much stronger egg/dome shaped skull.
i dont think i should to talk to you anymore, you seem to be taking personal offense here and im not interested in upsetting anyone.
ill be waiting for shael to share his progress, regardless
good luck guys, hail satan


 
I am merely returning to you the tone you demonstrate in your posts.

If it makes you not want to talk to me anymore, consider how your original tone impacts those who read it.

That x-ray picture arrow is a little high.. It is more on the top portion of the metacarpal than on the metacarpophalangeal joint per se.

Structurally, it has the weight of the whole hand behind it but energetically it is much more.

The material basis only forms a partial contribution to the effects this part of the hand can have.

Just FYI, the mandible, of all the bones in the body is extremely dense due to the stresses placed upon it by the muscles of mastication such as the masseter. The tension this muscle creates and the forces it exerts on the bone causes the mandible to be remodelled in quite a dense fashion, much like would occur with regular iron palm training to the bones of the hand.

I certainly believe that you might have a very difficult time breaking those wood planks as set up like that without some training, even using your foot in a downward fashion.

But we can talk about it all day, ultimately no-one will know or be any the wiser without actually having tried it themselves in some responsible fashion (which involves training before trying, to prevent massive damage to the hands and indeed to the internal organs from striking energetic points on the hand which correspond to those organs, another detrimenta
 
its not that i dont want to talk to you, i just sense that your getting a little heated, and i dont want to make you upset with me.
im just going to try it, ill try smashing a brick with the blade of my hand, ill set it up a bunch of ways as a test, and ill get some wood aswell, ill do it in a week of two,  because i dont really have money to do something like that right now. 
perhaps it will allow me to gauge whether or not a trained individual could do it more easily, or maybe ill just hurt myself.

 
Trying this yourself without any proper training is a very good way to get yourself a quick trip to the hospital for a broken hand/wrist. You will most definitely hurt yourself or simply not be able to make a dent in the material.

As was said even those fake bricks which are specifically made to be broken more easily by being long and thin and from a bit of a porous material are tough to break without proper training because it's still brick or stone that's being broken.

It's not about developing the brute strength to smash rocks and bricks like the hulk, but getting the refined technique to exert massive amounts of force through your hand like striking with a hammer or cutting with a sword.

The technique evolves around the concept that the strike needs to be delivered extremely swiftly and have all the force transferred from the hand to the material in a fraction of a second without loosing any energy internally due to poor technique.

The iron palm training serves as a way to protect your hands by having them become hard enough so they do not give way with each strike, not to develop brute strength required to smash bricks.

Also have you ever grabbed a solid piece of rock and smashed it with a hammer? How far does the material fly off? Or a red brick used for building? The material will shatter and fly of everywhere when sufficient force is delivered. Same as what happened in that video of the monk smashing real rocks with his hands.

In the cases it didn't fly of the rock was cut in half with a nearly perfectly clean cut, this is due to the nature the Qi is applied by a sufficiently trained master, the Qi flows through the hand and delivers the force all concentrated on a single point, like a sword or a bal hammer. The aim is to cut through perfectly by delivering the force in a straight line.

People who train like that and master that technique would smash your skull easily as if it was a watermelon (also try smashing a watermelon with your hands, you'll find even that it actually not easy at all if you aren't trained at all). The only way to deflect such force is to use Qi yourself to rebound the force of the blow and have it spread out instead of hit you on a single point.

I have tried breaking wooden boards from the hardware store, even single planks are very hard to break if the correct technique is not applied. Note I am not a karate master but I practiced the correct technique and after some days of practice I got the hang of it and was able to cleanly break single boards without any trouble, more than one stacked on top of itself though that proved very difficult, it definitely requires a lot of training to do this properly.

I have conditioned my hands quite well, although I slacked of on keeping it up the past year, but my hands were conditioned enough where I could punch the bark on a tree without injuring my hand, or I could punch a solid concrete building support pillar full force without breaking my bones.

That's pretty tough compared to an ordinary person and it showed because even a casual little punch would easily hurt someone else due to how solid my fist was.

I can definitely punch someone in the skull without risk of breaking my hand so long as I use correct technique, especially if I muster my Qi first and bring it into my hands, maybe it would even fracture the other persons skull if he's unlucky.

I'm not trying to sound tough here, but I am not even a martial artist, I simply practiced those techniques casually as a hobby for a while because I was interested in it and accomplished feats that untrained people with unconditioned hands could not replicate.

Applying Qi worked as a force multiplier, decreasing the strain on my hands a lot and increasing the force of each strike significantly.

For training speed I tried catching flies mid flight, or punching them mid flight, which is extremely hard as they are very quick but after doing it for months I got fast enough where I could consistently hit them mid flight. This definitely improved the speed at which I can perform a punch, which in turn increases the amount of force I can deliver with a strike.

Punching a big heavy bag is also a good gauge of how hard your fist is. If you can punch that heavy bag unprotected without moving the bag very much at all but leaving a very deep impression where your fist landed you have solid fists and a good technique.

Most people that train on a heavy bag for the first time actually can't hit it full force without any hand protection even though the bag isn't very hard, but when I first trained on the heavy bag in my local gym it felt no different than punching a heavy pillow, because I had trained my fists enough to be able to punch a solid pillar at full force (which does not give way, meaning the force is all bounded back into the hand).

Also a steel lantern pole, like the ones on the street, I could hit it full force with my fist without injuring myself, it did hurt however and bruised the bone slightly with repeated attempts, but there was no lasting damage due to me conditioning my hands and fists.

Steel is much harder than bone and the round shape of a lantarn pole makes it so the force put into it hits your hand on a very small point of impact, an ordinary person who has not conditioned there hands might find themselves with broken fingers if they attempt this.

I suppose if I would train this again, in a year or two I could attempt a real brick break and maybe manage it but I can't make any promises. Although I suppose my understanding of Qi would make this much easier for me at this time, so perhaps I could learn it in a shorter time frame.

For now I advice you not to attempt punching or striking a brick with your unconditioned and soft hands as you'll likely find your fist to be quite damaged afterwards. Start with a wooden plank and get the technique right as to where you can cleanly break it in half without any trouble. As JA said, have someone hold it up for you and try to break it, it's a good gauge to see if you have the technique down or not, I was able to break a single board when held by someone else.
 
To see whether the human body can have the raw power required to smash rocks or walls, it would be interesting to make a glove with steel plating on the outside and try to punch a solid wall with full force.

If the human hand isn't hard enough for someone to attempt that with unprotected hands a glove like that could allow them to bridge that gap and see if they have the raw power to smash rock or solid walls.

I very much think quite a lot of people can do that successfully if they have a hard glove to act as hand protection and to allow them full transfer of power from their hands into the wall.

Doing it with a fist is certainly possible if you can harden it enough to the point hand protection is not needed any more, all that is left then is building sufficient power to smash through a solid wall which can be achieved by a human as professional boxers hit with the same force exerted by a hit from a sledge hammer to a solid wall from an average construction worker.
 
are you a superhero too?can i have your autograph?
you may be very skinny that would explain your inability to hit steel hard enough to hurt your hand.
on the other hand i think im going to have to invest time into this myself, as it seems everyone is having a hard time understanding what a punch that enters the cranial vault is
the cyborg guy dove downwards as hard as he could while the other guy jumped in the air to knee him in the forehead thats a lot more than a jab to the forehead guys!!
big difference, also this guy is a pro fighter, likely his head was weak and his bones were already microfractured from sparring all the time.
i hardly think that a man with the fingers of a gorrilla is a fair example either, master ho has hands that could verywell land him in the zoo.
 
Hahaha...guys you're so hilarious. ... srsly who gives a damn about smushing into things , regain your age and talk about smthing useful if you really need ..
 
Theop.chipix your intelligence must be really lacking, other than you being on a lower vibration. I suggest you do the Mercury mantra if you can't even understand that everyone has different tastes. You should also do something for your masculinity: working either on your pingala or using the mantra of Mars would do.

You seem also to lack the discernment not to barge into a conversation that you're not interested in and where you can give no contribution, as it would seem. Grow up, will you.
 
hey guys, do you think perhaps the planets are causing us to feel very cut throat toward each other?
 
or maybe it enemy rituals cursing the yahoo forums, and its manifesting by influencing our behavior?
 
Candy that topic is no place to ask that. Better place would be either in the main group or on the astrology group.

But ya know its mercury retrograde atm and it certainly causes problems for some whom might have it transitting.
 
 Stereotyped phrases do not employ same literal meaning or means to an end... but yeah I mean, if such tasteless statement aroused your temper and urged for your far more superior intelligence to look down and intervene upon a overly-feminized individual by spitting your "invaluable advice" on a keyboard...Sure indeed I can't see why can't I take it seriously , as there can't be no mean of self gratification in such a generous gesture... 
 
You're completely off-topic. You enter the conversation with nothing to contribute, but only mocking the participants. Yet you somehow feel you are the victim here. Just because there is freedom of speech here, it doesn't mean you can ridicule others, especially because you're practically just a brat compare to Centralforce, Johnson Akemi and Shael here.

This topic is to discuss the Iron Body and associated techniques, as well as the progress of the members who are currently practicing this Eastern art. Go playing idiot with some Xians instead of bothering us readers here.

+candycrush, I think he's experiencing a bad Mercury retrograde influence, yes. Not so much me. I'm always like this. People who were active on the forums can tell.
 
Theop. Each to his own. With that I mean, everyone handles situations differently. In this case something needed to be clarified to an unbelieving mind. Which in turn looked a lot like trolling on the others side, but that is my opinion. However like JA said in the other post, there are newbies here whom lurk and do not post and good information is needed to be told. ... And your tasteless argument is unwelcome because it seems to be made only for the sake of arguing. Try to put a house against itself and feel the wrath from its members. Seriously. Who the f are you to criticize or tell people how to do or what to do?! (to others reading my post, I apologize for my language used .. And I am sorry that youve been seeing all this negativity. I hope this group can return to what it is supposed to be used for. )
 
Well I'm prepared to admit that in the boredom of my mind , meanwhile reading about the topic and looking upon it with skeptical but non the less interested eye , I couldn't stand seeing people arguing over an hypothetical situation that , in first place may very well have nothing to do with the discipline of the specific training, and by that I'm referring to the argument of "smashing into things" and not the training methods and all the rest ,of which I have nothing bad to say indeed or bash anybody about it...but you came along with your fixed perspective , telling me that I can't make the difference between clapping a high 5 with a wall and hand training....Had I said "who cares about Stuff like that"(in which case the discipline would be included)? ...no ..It was the argument that started over either or not you could smash ones skull with this discipline that I was bashing...because it's an useless argument. period.(for this even if it happens would be of use only to the one that applied it) ....I had something against the first two members that were biting one another like dogs in a cage that made me add also the comment "regain your age"... (try tell me that the situation was not becoming ridicule) no offence intended but it really made me laugh 
You perceived what you understood at first glimpse and made a presupposition based on my lazy statement. which I admit that should have been more specific ..non the less this demonstrates how much a mercury retrograde affects everybody to some extent...
This is the last message I'll post on this topic just to make sure the message and intentions behind it are clear... And I'm pretty sure anyhow that people should learn to get offended less by seemingly or outright stupid statements. 
 
no trolling going on here, however conclusions can only be reached about the human soul, body, and its potential if spiritual people TALK about it.
same goes for meditation, the only way to make new meditations for people to use is trial and error along with planning and discussion.
im simply trying to figure out if becoming a superhero is possible LOL, and i want to see if the person actively training for that goal is making any progress, or if he is still training at all.
hopefully he responds soon


 
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