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[email protected], Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@... wrote:
I hear ya sister.I am from Alabama,and we are not all toothless inbreeds here either. LOL
Hail Satan
BrianÂ
"I will crush Christianity under my boot like a poisonous toad." - Adolf Hitler
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From: firebird894 <firebird894@...
Subject: [HellsArmy666] Re: Help wanted with research Australia
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Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 12:17 PM
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Hi thank for this infomation, it's a lot to swallow but I think I get the basics of it. There was never any doubt in my mind that xianity was stolen from Pagan teachings, even before I read the JOS I knew this. Isis was the first Goddess I was drawn to and her image holding baby Horus and then looking at Virgin bitch with jesus it was an obvious theft. What I did not understand before was the 'why' and now I understand it. The size of the lie is just so enormous and complicated a lot of what we know and read would go right over the heads of most people. I was never interested in the bible I only knew the bits and peices from school bible study and sunday school as a kid. So this is a big learning curve but my gut feelings on this have told me for a long time something is very wrong with the world and these religions.
From my dealings with people overseas, thanks to films like crocodile dundee and what is promoted of Australia through advertising and media we come accross like a bunch of uncivilsed hicks and hillbillies. I saw an interview with one American woman who did not even know we had concrete footpaths and and proper roads. We come accross as a bit of a joke, noone takes us seriously. There is a culture here of people who are lazy and selfish and don't give a shit. But we are not all like that, and many who may at first seem that way have a suprising intellegence and understanding of nature.
We have a small population for the size of the country, and most people live in cities and suburbs around the coast with vast distances between. The centre of the country is hostile and harsh, deserts, scrub and rough country not so many people live there. Many parts of the country are largely un explored and could contain anything. Only not long ago a place was found not far from Sydney that still had pre historic plants not known. One of the trees is the Wollami Pine tree now sold in garden centres. So I have no doubt there could be loads of evidence scattered accross the country of previous civilisations and cultures. But as far as the average Australian is concerned... black man lived here...noone else until Captain Cook sailed into Sydney Cove and thats it don't question it.
Because thats what was drummed into us at school. If I questioned my teacher I got a belting over the head with a copy of the childrens hardcover picture bible.
Australia was also not always desert in the middle, there was rivers and ocean there once, people could have sailed inland! The climate was also more moist and humid with more tropical jungle and forest, over time sediment builds up and anything could be hidden under the red dust and rock, the heavy clay soils, you may only see a capstone sticking up if your lucky.
The Gympie Pyramid in QLD it is said in the early days the settlers got word many large pre formed sandstone blocks were scattered in the bush so they took the stones and used them to construct the local church, houses and free masons building.
I feel there is something worth investigating here, even if it turns out to be less than I hoped or nothing at all... what if there is something? I can't ignore the possibilty. Someone clearly wants to hide something so there has to be a reason.
Hail Satan!
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[email protected], "Scott" <dead_legacy@ wrote:
Hey firebird, I read your article, ive seen alot of the different posts you've been putting up, and i wanted to say you've been an inspiration, A couple of weeks ago i remember you sharing a youtube video about Islamic Sexism, i just recently posted some messages on the groups dealing specifically with the subject of Judaism, islam and Sexism, i hope you guys enjoy it. What Im about to post here, i think could probably help you out some with your research your doing On Austrailia. I support your fight, i hope this helps. It deals with how, Early Christians attemted to Destroy and Re-write history. Kinda like whats going on in Austrailia.
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On the Destruction Forgery and Re-writing of History.
Part 2/Table of Contents:
- Myth becomes History.
- On the Difference between Gnosticism and Orthodox Literalism
- The Birth of Literalism
- Taking Things Literally
-On Gnosticism and Pagan Philosophy.
-On Misperceptions of Gnosticism, No Orthodoxy.
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Segment from the book, The Jesus Mysteries, Was the Original Jesus a Pagan God?, by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy. pg. 135-137.
MYTH BECOMES HISTORY
The Pagan Mystery godmen were clearly mythological figures whose biographies existed `out of time' in the world of dreams and images. If they were regarded as having literally lived at all, it was in ancient times indistinguishable from myth. So why does the Jesus story present the myth of the Jewish godman as if it were history?
The genuine letters of Paul, as we have seen, show no sign of the Jesus story having assumed an historical setting in the first half of the first century. Paul preaches a mystical Messiah who, through his death and resurrection, brings rebirth to his followers. Such a primitive form of the Jesus myth could well have been around for hundreds of years. (1) It would have initially been a secret myth of the Jewish Mysteries, so we would not expect any evidence of its existence to have survived. Sooner or later, however, it was inevitable that the Jesus myth would become historicized.
Jews expected the Messiah to be a historical figure who literally came to rescue his people. So, if the Jewish Osiris-Dionysus was to be convincingly portrayed as the Messiah, the myth would have to be recast as an historical drama. Yet Jesus could not be said to have existed in the distant past like the Pagan Mystery godman, because such a Messiah could not bring political salvation to his people now.
He would have to be portrayed as coming in the recent past, as this alone would make him relevant. To explain why no one had heard of the coming of the Messiah, Jesus is made to deliberately keep his Messiahship a secret. Indeed, Mark portrays even Jesus' closest disciples as failing to recognize him as the Messiah until after his death. (2) The Old Testament, although interpreted as mystical allegory by Hellenized Jews such as Philo, appears on the surface to be an historical record. Portraying the Jesus story as a record of actual events would, therefore, have fitted it into the general style of Jewish scriptures; and the time and place chosen as the setting for Jesus' life and death could be used by Jewish initiates, skilled in allegory, to encode symbolic messages.
The Jewish godman was given the name Joshua/Jesus after the prophet of Exodus Joshua ben Nun, whose name means 'Jesus son of the Fish'. This is perfect for a saviour figure designed for the new astrological Age of Pisces, symbolized by the Fish. The time chosen for Jesus' birth links him to an important astrological conjunction in 7 BCE which ushered in the New Age of Pisces. (3) This stellar conjunction also becomes the star which prefigures the birth of the godman in Pagan myth. Thus Jesus symbolically becomes the new saviour for a New Age.
The time of Jesus' birth also enabled the creators of the Jesus Mysteries to symbolically
convey other information. According to Matthew, Jesus is born in the reign of Herod, who tries to have him killed as a baby to prevent him becoming king of the Jews. Herod, who died in 4 BCE, was a puppet of the Romans and completely loathed by the Jews. (4) Bringing the infant Jesus into immediate conflict with the hated king already fits Jesus into the model of the 'just man unjustly accused' and portrays him as the Messiah come to defend the Jews. Luke makes a similar point by having his Jesus born 10 years later at the time of the census of 6 CE. By then the Romans had finally annexed Judea and the census was to enable them to directly tax the Jews. Judea no longer even had its own puppet administration, but was now ruled by a Roman governor. This led to desperate hopes that the Messiah would arise to protect his people and by placing Jesus' birth at this time, Luke implies that this hope has been fulfilled.
The only other event that places Jesus in an historical context is his death under the Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate. According to Josephus and Philo, Pilate was particularly detested by the Jews. (5) He had violated Jewish religious taboos many times, including being the first Roman to defile the Jerusalem Temple.(6) Pilate was, therefore, the perfect choice for the role of the evil tyrant who executes the godman.
It is also relevant that the Jesus story is set in Galilee. Galilee was so thoroughly Hellenized that it was known anrongst the Jews as 'the land of the Gentiles'. (7) Josephus records that Galilee refused to defend Jerusalem against the Romans. (8) Galilee was not loyal to the Temple cult of Jerusalem and had close relations with Pagan cultures. So it was an ideal setting for the home of the Jewish Osiris-Dionysus.
The process through which the original timeless and locationless Jesus story became set in a particular time and place can be seen in the Gospel of Mark. Scholars have noticed that all the passages that mention Galilee are later additions. (9) For example, in the line 'And passing along by the sea of Galilee he saw Simon and Andrew' (10) , the words 'by the sea of Galilee' are placed quite ungrammatically in the Greek syntax. (11) This has led most New Testament scholars to believe that they were added to give a geographical location to a story which previously lacked-it.
Bibliography:
1- According to a tradition recorded by Mead, Simon Magus traced histeachings back to a sage called Dositheus in 100 BCE. See Mead, G. R.S. (1906), 162ff.
2- Wilson, I. (1984), 37, and Wells, G. A. (1975), 102. Which is ironicsince it is jesus' death which marks him as definitely not theMessiah!
3- Fidler, D. (1993), 169. Saturn and Jupiter came into conjunction threetimes during the year 7 BCE: 27 May, 6 October and I December inthe sign of Pisces. That the New Age of Pisces had begun had beenknown to a few philosophers over a century earlier, but by thebeginning of the first century had been widely disseminated. Thisastronomical event, combined with the deep crisis of the time, musthave seemed like an important sign that the last days had arrived -Pisces is the last sign of the zodiac.
4- Wilson, I. (1984), 77: 'Acutely conscious of his own unpopularity,Herod systematically liquidated all whom he considered potentially dangerous to him, including his own wife and two of his sons, and surrounded himself with a network of informers and secret police as clandestine and ruthless as the KGB.;
5- Brandon, S. G. F. (1969), 292. Pilate was prefect for 10 years from 26to 36 CE, when he was sent back to Rome to answer for a massacre.He was so hated that he is the only prefect from 6 to 41 to bediscussed in any detail by Josephus and Philo.
6- Josephus, The Jewish War, 126: 'Pilate, during the night, secretly andundercover, conveyed to Jerusalem the images of Caesar known assigma. When day dawned this caused great excitement among the Jews: for those who were near were amazed at the sight, whichmeant that their laws had been trampled on - they do not permit anygraven image to be set up in the city.'
7- Mack, B. L. (1993), 5Iff, 68. Galilee was known as Gelil ha goim, 'theland of the goim', or Gentiles.
8- Josephus, op. cit., Chapter 10. Josephus records how most of thecities of Galilee closed their gates to him but welcomed in theRomans. After the Jewish war Rome made the loyal city of Sepphoristhe capital and treasury of Galilee.
9- Wells, op. cit., 144, 71ff
10- Mark lv 16
11- 'And passing along by the sea of Galilee he saw Simon and Andrew.'The verb 'passing along' is not used with the preposition 'by' inGreek. If the section in italics is removed, the passage flows onnormally and is seen as what it originally was - a teaching story setin no particular time or place.
12- Wells, op. cit., 71-2. Wells quotes Professor Nineham's view that thedetails of time and place are 'entirely St Mark's doing'.
13- Josephus, op. cit., 337. Josephus' figures are usually exaggerated, butGibbon considers
580,000 deaths from violence, famine and diseaseover a six-year period as probable, see Gibbon, E. (1796), 516.
14- Josephus, op. cit., 340, Chapter 22: 'Jerusalem Destroyed'
15- Barnstone, W. (1984), 508, quoting The Apocalypse of Baruch
16- Josephus, op. cit., 135
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On The Differences Between Gnosticism and Orthodox Literalism
Segment from the book, The Jesus Mysteries, Was the Original Jesus a Pagan God? pg 64-65.
'Recent investigations have challenged the traditional outlook and the traditional conclusions and the traditional "facts". With some today, and with many tomorrow, the burning question is, or will be, not how did a particularly silly and licentious heresy rise within the church, but how did the church rise out of the great Gnostic movement, how did the dynamic ideas of the Gnosis become crystallised into dogma?'1 -Rev. Lamplugh
The Gnostics' view of Christianity was in many ways the mirror image of that of the Literalist Christians who eventually became the Roman Catholic Church. Literal-ists were rigidly authoritarian. Gnostics were mystic individualists. Literalists wanted to enforce a common creed on all Christians. Gnostics tolerated various different beliefs and practices. Literalists selected four gospels as holy scripture and had the rest consigned to the flames as heretical works of the Devil. Gnostics wrote hundreds of different Christian gospels. Literalists taught that the true Christian believed in Jesus as preached to them by the bishops. Gnostics taught that the true Christian experienced 'Gnosis' or mystical 'Knowledge' for themselves and became a Christ!
The Gnostics were so effectively suppressed that until recently almost all we knew about them came from the writings of their detractors and oppressors.2 Literalist Christians bequeathed us the idea that Gnosticism was a perversion of Christian thought which confused the original teachings of Jesus with alien Pagan doctrines. For 2,000 years this has been the party line of orthodox Christianity, and as it successfully eliminated the opposition and destroyed all the evidence, it has been generally accepted as the truth. In 1945, however, a library of Gnostic scriptures was discovered in a cave near Nag Hammadi in Egypt. This has revolutionized our understanding of Gnosticism and early Christianity. Now we are in a position to let the Gnostics speak for themselves.
Although remembered today as heretics, the Gnostics , saw themselves as the genuine Christians. In a Gnostic gospel called The Apocalypse of Peter, the risen Jesus calls Literalist Christianity an 'imitation church' in place of the true Christian brotherhood of the Gnostics. From the Gnostics' point of view, it was the Literalists who had distorted true Christianity. They had created a religion that required blind faith in historical events from what was originally a spiritual path through which each initiate could personally experience 'Gnosis'. To the Gnostics, Literalist Christianity preached only the Outer Mysteries of Christianity, which they called a 'worldly Christianity' suitable for 'people in a hurry'.3 Gnosticism, by contrast, was a truly 'spiritual Christianity', which revealed the secret Inner Mysteries of Christianity to the chosen few.4
Remarkably enough, these particular quotations are not from some little known Gnostic heretic, but from the writings of two of the most eminent Christians of the early Church - Clement, the head of the first Christian philosophical school in Alexandria, and his successor Origen.5 These men were highly respected during their lifetimes and are still regarded as two of the greatest early Christian philosophers, yet both preached a form of Christianity more akin to Gnosticism than to modern mainstream Christianity. Clement is even honoured as a saint by the Catholic Church, yet he wrote volumes on the 'Gnostic' whom he called the 'true Christian'.6
The Gnostic beliefs of such influential and respected Christian intellectuals as Clement and Origen show that the Gnostics were not strange and insignificant heretics on the fringes of Christianity, as the traditional picture would have us believe. On the contrary, Gnosticism was a broad, vibrant and sophisticated spirituality which was attractive to the greatest Christian intellectuals of the first few centuries CE - not only great sages such as Valentinus and Basilides, who have been all but forgotten because they were branded heretics by the Roman Church, but also men such as Clement and Origen, whose reputations have been less maligned.
Bibliography:
1- From the Introduction to The Gnosis of the Light (the Bruce codexdiscovered in 1769), first
translation by Rev. Lamplugh, cited inKingsland,W. (1937), 100
2- The Bruce codex was discovered in 1769, the Askew codex,containing the Pistis Sophia, was brought to London in 1785.Neither of these was published in English until the nineteenth century. The Akhmim codex was not discovered until 1896. In 1851two lost books of Hippolytus were found on Mt Athos in Greececontaining valuable information on the Gnostics, including direct quotations from Gnostic texts. It seems that later heresiologists, whobased themselves mainly on Hippolytus' work, had excised thesebooks at an early date and they were prudently not passed on by his successors, see Cross, F. L. (1958), 641. In 1945 the study of Gnosticism was revolutionized when 52 Gnostic texts werediscovered at Nag Hammadi in Upper Egypt. For the first time in 1,600 years scholars could control the hostile polemics of thePatristic sources point by point.
3- Inge, W. R. (1899), 86: 'Faith is a summary knowledge of urgenttruths, suitable for people who are in a hurry, but gnosis is scientificfaith.'
4- Freke and Gandy (1997), 101
5- It is important to note that the Catechetical school existed before itbecame Christian under
Clement's authority. Runia, D. T. (1993), 133, questions Eusebius' account of the history of the school: 'Eusebius' words definitely imply that the school existed before Pantaenus took charge. Why then does he only mention it here forthe first time? Is it because he lacks information, or is he - from hisown apologetic viewpoint on behalf of orthodox tradition - engagedin a cover-up?' Runia proposes that: 'Pantaenus took over the school from earlier members who had a more Gnostic orientation. Eusebius would then have a reason for denying real continuity.' Marlowe, J. (1971), 251, records that Pantaenus' teacher was a Pythagorean. Putting all this information together would yield the following scenario. Arising from Jewish/Pythagorean groups like the Therapeutae and basing themselves on the work of Philo, a school of Jewish Gnosticism develops in Alexandria. During the first century its teaching spreads widely in Egypt, Palestine and Syria. Roberts
(1979) considers it likely that: 'If Valentinus and Basilides taught in Alexandria, the obvious place for their teaching would have been this school.' See also Runia, 133, note 4. Following the destruction of the Alexandrian Jewish community in the first quarter of the second century there is a period of chaos. Out of this emerges the school run by Pantaenus and finally the Christian Gnostic school of Clement.
6- Clement, Stromata, 7.1: 'The Gnostic alone is truly pious ... the trueChristian is the Gnostic' See Stevenson, J. (1957), 184ff.
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A Critique of Orthodox Literalism
Segment from the book, The Jesus Myteries, Was the Original Jesus a Pagan God? by Timothy Freke, and Peter Gandy. pg. 139-140.
THE BIRTH OF LITERALISM
After 70 CE when the Romans laid waste Jerusalem, Jews were spread throughout the Roman Empire as slaves and refugees. Jews who had been initiated in only the Outer Mysteries, with limited half-baked ideas of what Christianity was all about, would have been flung far and wide around the ancient world, taking what they believed to be the 'biography' of Jesus the Messiah with them. Those in the western areas of the Empire became cut off from the established centres of the Jesus Mysteries in Alexandria and the eastern areas of the Empire, and so were prevented from completing the process of initiation.
With no masters of the Gnosis within hundreds of miles, it is easy to imagine how a confused form of the Jesus Mysteries would quickly develop. Within a few decades these western Christians had created a religion in which the belief that Jesus was literally the dying and resurrecting Son of God was the central doctrine. Their Literalist Christianity had no place for any Inner Mysteries. It did not view the gospels as allegories, but as historical records of actual events.
During the second century, the leaders of local groups of Christians became known as
'overseers' or 'bishops'. Without any Inner Mysteries to impart, these bishops taught that eternal salvation was guaranteed to anyone who simply believed the story of Jesus to be literally true. It is this limited form of Christianity, based only on the Outer Mysteries, which would eventually become the Roman Catholic Church.
The original Jesus Mysteries, which we now call Gnosticism, continued to flourish where they had originated, in Alexandria. This city produced the great second and third-century Gnostic masters Carpocrates, Basilides, Valentinus, Clement and Origen. Literalism, on the other hand, gathered strength in those areas of the Empire which were cut off from the masters of the Gnosis in the East, eventually becoming centred on Rome itself, where it took on a narrow autocratic Roman character.
Early initiates of the Jesus Mysteries formed many separate groups in different places,
often centred around a particular master of the Gnosis and working with their own gospels. The Gnostics maintained this tradition of mysticism, variety and tolerance. The Literalists, by contrast, began to build a centralized authoritarian religion.
It is easy to imagine how those initiated in the Inner Mysteries would have looked on
aghast at the growth of Literalism, now completely out of their control and beginning to spring up across the ancient world as a new religious cult. Many masters of the Inner Mysteries visited Rome in order to initiate Christians into the Gnosis, but they were not welcomed. Literalist bishops were not at all pleased to have some foreign mystic proclaim them to be mere 'Psychic Christians' in need of a further Pneumatic initiation. They were resentful of Gnostic sages 'stealing their flock' by belittling Literalist teachings and offering initiation into the secret Inner Mysteries.
The Gnostics, who had created the Jesus story in the first place, were now accused of perverting the sacred teachings of the saviour. Irenaeus, the mouthpiece of Literalism, protested that Gnostics 'overthrow the faith of many, by drawing them away under the pretence of superior Knowledge'. (1) Conflict was inevitable and a bitter battle for the soul of Christianity ensued.
Bibliography:
1- Philo, On the Cherubim, 42-8, quoted in Burkert, W. (1992), 80.Burkert observes that this passage of Philo's is 'saturated withmystery metaphor'.
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Segment from the book, The Jesus Myteries, Was the Original Jesus a Pagan God? by Timothy Freke, and Peter Gandy. pg. 143- 144.
TAKING THINGS LITERALLY
Literalists took literally what for Gnostics were mystic metaphors. Because they believed that Jesus had literally resurrected from the dead in his physical body, they taught that after death all Christians would likewise literally be resurrected from the grave in their physical bodies. Tertullian declares that anyone who denies the resurrection of the flesh is a heretic, not a true Christian. The Literalists even claimed that the Eucharist bread and wine literally became the flesh and blood of Jesus during the mass - an extraordinary assertion that is still made by the Catholic Church to this day!(1)
Taking the Jesus myth as history led Literalists to abandon the Gnostic doctrine of reincarnation. Because Literalists believed that the godman had died and resurrected once only in time, they also conceived of a human life as a once-only event. Afterlife reward or punishment was, therefore, for all time, not a temporary precursor to another human life. This left them with what the Pagan Celsus calls the 'offensive doctrine1 that a good God could countenance
abandoning those who didn't make the grade to an eternity of suffering.(2)
Literalists also interpreted literally the idea of the apocalyptic Second Coming. In the gospels Jesus is made to promise that he will return in glory within the lifetime of some of his audience. The Gnostics, of course, saw this as a mystical metaphor about the resurrection of the initiate as the Christ or Universal Daemon. The Literalists took this 'prophecy' at face value and so were left with the difficult task of explaining Jesus' failure to appear as promised.
The forged Second Letter of Peter conveys the obvious unease and confusion in the Literalist Christian community over this issue, and offers its own desperate solution, proclaiming:
'In the final days schemers will come along with their schemes following the lead of their greedy desires and saying "Where is the Second Coming that he promised us? In the meantime our fathers and mothers have died, and the whole world is still just the same as it has been since the beginning of creation." Let this one thing not escape you, dear friends; that a single day for the Lord is like a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a single day. The Lord isn't late in ulfilling His promise; what some call His lateness really is His patience with you. He doesn't want to lose anybody, he wants repentance to include everybody.'(3)
Justin Martyr likewise explained that God was delaying the End because he wished to see Christianity spread throughout the world first.(4) Other Literalists came up with the ludicrous idea that St John had turned into a sort of immortal and was living in Patmos or Ephesus and so Jesus had not got his prophecy wrong after all.(5)
Basing his bizarre and convoluted reasoning on the fact that the Ark of the Covenant was said to have been five-and-a-half cubits long, Hippolytus somehow fixed the End for 202. When this date passed uneventfully it was deferred to 500.(6) By the middle of the third century, for most Christians 'the End' was no longer an imminent concern. In the early fifth century, translators of second-century Christian texts omitted all mentions of the imminent apocalypse as they were now just an embarrassment.(7) Despite all of this, of course, many Literalist Christians continued to warn 'The End is nigh', as they still do today.
Bibliography:
1- Fidler, D. (1993), 17. Irenaeus claims that bread and wine are literallytransformed into the body and blood of Jesus and that by feeding onthis substance our physical bodies are miraculously transformed intoan immortal state. See D'Alviella, G. (1981), 117, which records thatby the third century the holy sacrament, which for Clement was amystical symbol, was being presented as a magical potion, aphaimakos athansias.
2- Hoffmann, op. cit., 70
3- Peter 3 v 3-10
4- Lane-Fox, R. (1986), 267. Justin was replying to the confusedexclamations of his contemporaries, 'We have heard these thingseven in the days of our fathers, and look, we have grown old andnone of them has happened to us.'
5- Campbell, J. (1955), 169. This muddled legend about John, of whomthe other disciples whispered, 'This disciple shall not die,' is found inJohn 21. v 23.
6- Lane-Fox, op. cit., 266ff. If Hippolytus were writing today his workwould doubtless be called The Bible Code.
7- Ibid., 266. When Irenaeus' tract against heresy was translated intoLatin in the early fifth century the millennium was omitted.
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On Gnosticism and Pagan Philososophy
Segment from the book, The Jesus Mysteries, Was the Original Jesus a Pagan God? by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy. pg. 65-66.
Pagan Philosophy
The central and most repeated accusation levelled at the Gnostic Christians by Literalist Christians was that they were essentially little different from Pagans. Irenaeus, the great heresy hunter of early Literalism, condemns the Gnostics for patching together a new garment out of the useless old rags of Greek philosophy.(1) He calls the followers of the Gnostic sage Simon Magus 'Mystery priests' and accuses them of worshipping 'an image of Simon made in the form of Zeus'.(2) Tertullian, another author of fanatically anti-Gnostic works, compares the Christian initiations offered by the Gnostics to the Pagan initiations practised at Eleusis.(3) Hippolytus, a disciple of Irenaeus, tells us of a Gnostic group called the 'Sethians', of whom he asserts:
'They took the whole content of their teaching from the ancient [Pagan] theologians Musaeus, Linus, and Orpheus, who especially made known the rites and Mysteries.'(4)
Irenaeus is outraged that Gnostics venerated pictures of Christ alongside 'images of worldly philosophers such as Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle and the others'.(5) Gnostics attended Pagan festivals and welcomed Pagans to their own Christian meetings,(6) leading Tertullian to comment reproachfully:
It has been observed that heretics have connections with very many magicians, itinerant charlatans, astrologers, and philosophers.'(7)
Although such Literalist Christians grotesquely misrepresented the Gnostics, this was one thing about which they were undoubtedly right: Gnosticism did indeed resemble the Pagan Mysteries.(8) Unlike Literalists, however, Gnostics did not see Paganism as the enemy and so openly acknowledged this debt and encouraged the study of the great philosophers of antiquity.(9) Indeed, Pagan works were discovered alongside Christian texts in the Gnostic library in Nag Hammadi.(10) Clement of Alexandria was steeped in Pagan philosophy, which he regarded as a divine gift to lead men to Christ.(11) He explains:
'Greek philosophy purges the soul, and prepares it beforehand for the reception of faith, on which the Truth builds up the edifice of Gnosis.'(12)
Origen, likewise, instructed his pupils that perfect piety required a knowledge of Pagan philosophy,(13) which he calls a fine meal prepared for sophisticated palates. In comparison he claims that Christians 'cook for the masses'.(14) Origen had been instructed in philosophy by the Pagan sage Ammonius.(15) The Pagan philosopher Porphyry relates that he 'visited for a long time' with Ammonius and Origen, both of whom he calls 'Platonists' and 'men who much surpassed their contemporaries in insight'.(16)
As well as being the teacher of the great Christian philosopher Origen, Ammonius was also the teacher of Plotinus, one of the greatest of all Pagan philosophers. Plotinus refers to Gnostic Christians within his own philosophical school and clearly regards Gnosticism as an overly complex and inferior version of the Pagan Mysteries:
'All their terminology is piled up to conceal their debt to ancient Greek philosophy.(17) We feel a certain regard for some of our friends who happened upon, this way of thinking before they became our friends, and, though I do not know how they manage it, continue in it.'(18)
Bibliography:
1- Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 2.14.1-6, quoted in Perkins, P. (1993), 179-81
2- Ibid., 1.23.2-4, quoted in Barnstone, W. (1984), 607
3- Pagels, E. (1975), 158. See also D'Alviella, G. (1981), 105
4- Quoted in Barnstone, W. (1984), 656
5- Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 1.24.6-7, quoted ibid., 649
6- Pagels, E. (1979), 67
7- Quoted in MacMullen, R. (1966), 208
8- The first conference bringing together 'specialists in Piatonism onthe one hand, and specialists in the "wild underworld" of the Gnostics on the other' was held in 1992 in New York. In hiscontribution to the debate, John Kenney described one of the Nag Hammadi texts as reading like 'a riot in Plato's cave', see Wallis, R.T. (1992), 204. A. D. Nock describes Gnosticism as 'Piatonism runwild', see Wallis, R. T. (1992), 187. See also D'Alviella, G. (1981), 103,where D'Alviella calls the Gnostics 'half pagan', and 122, where Wobbermin refers to Gnosticism as 'Christian Orphism'.
9- Lane-Fox, R. (1986), 308. In 180 CE we hear of Christians from AsiaMinor living in Rome. They studied Euclid, Aristotle and 'almostworshipped Galen'. Ironically, Galen mocked the Christians'reliance on blind faith, but these Christians seem to have been aliving reply to his criticisms. In due course they were excommunicated by the Bishop of Rome. See Eusebius (1965), 177,where Eusebius expresses the orthodox view of these heretics who'with godless rascality corrupt the simple Faith of Holy WTrit'.
10- Robinson, J. M. (1978), 18. The Nag Hammadi codex has an ankh, the Egyptian hieroglyph meaning life, tooled on the cover. Found amongst the Gnostic texts were the Pagan works of Sextus the Pythagorean, parts of Plato's Republic dealing with the fate of the 'Just Man', and extracts from The Hermetica.
11- Lane-Fox, R. (1986), 307. Clement mentions over 300 Pagan authors,of whom we now know nothing. See Clement of Alexandria, Clement of Alexandria, xiii. The Loeb editor considers Clement tobe so well acquainted with the Mysteries that he was probably aninitiate. See Gregory, J. (1987), 25-^6.
12- Clement of Alexandria, Stromata 6.26. See also 7.55 and 6.109
13- Lane-Fox, R. (1986), 520-1. One of Origen's pupils recalls how, usingthe 'protreptic' style of speaking of the Pagan masters, Origen tutored him in a godlike mastery of soul over the body with the age-old Pagan objective of 'Self-knowledge'.
14- Quoted in Pagels, E. (1988), 85
15- Origen and Plotinus were both taught by Ammonius.
16- Porphyry, Life of Plotinus, 20. See Doran, R. (1995), 32-3
17- Quoted in Wallis, R. T. (1992), 112
18- Quoted in Robinson, J. M. (1978), 9. See also Wallis, op. cit., which notes that Plotinus does not mention his opponents by name, or refer to them as Gnostics, but their identity as 'Christians and other sectaries' is confirmed by Porphyry. Plotinus charges his opponents with 'abandoning the ancient philosophy' in favour of revelations by Zostrianos, Allogenes and others. (Works attributed to these authors have now been found at Nag Hammadi.) He regards them as friends who had been so badly contaminated by the new teachings that they could not get over it, even after they had been taught the truedoctrine by him. Plotinus wrote against them in order to enlighten his fellow pupils that a) whatever is worthy in the apostates' teaching had been taken from Plato, and b) what had been added to itis far from being true. His work was taken up by his follower Porphyry and enlarged into 15 volumes, Against the Christians. Afew fragments survive but the rest
was consigned to the flames in the fourth century.
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On Misperceptions of Gnosticsm, Gnosticism as the Original Unperverted form of Christianity. No Orthodoxy.
Segment from the book, The Jesus Mysteires, Was the Original Jesus a Pagan God? by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy. pg. 148-150.
No Orthodoxy.
The carefully fostered traditional picture of the Gnostics is of a small group of lunatic extremists on the fringes of orthodox Literalist Christianity to which the vast majority of Christians subscribed. But this is simply anti-Gnostic propaganda. (1) Actually, as Gibbon writes in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, the Gnostics 'covered Asia and Egypt, established themselves in Rome, and sometimes penetrated into the provinces of the West'. (2) In the first few centuries CE there really was no such thing as 'the Church', only competing factions, of which the Literalists were one.
Justin Martyr, a Literalist, Marcion, an uncompromising Gnostic, and Valentinus, who tried to heal the Gnostic/Literalist division, were all important Christian teachers in Rome at exactly the same time. (3) This is how diverse the Christian community was in the middle of the second century. Although Justin Martyr would come to be remembered as a great Christian hero and the other two would be dismissed as minor heretics, in their own lifetimes Valentinus and Marcion were far more influential than Justin. They both inspired Christian movements bearing their names which flourished for centuries.
The truth is that the Gnostics were the great intellectuals of early Christianity who commanded the respect of large numbers of Christians until Gnosticism was violently suppressed in the fourth and fifth centuries. Valentinus, for example, was a highly educated Alexandrian philosopher and poet who was elected Bishop of Egypt. He was a major force in early Christianity, and Irenaeus deplores the fact that many bishops, deacons, widows and martyrs from the Literalist community had sought initiation into Valentinian Christianity. (4) Even the bigoted Tertullian admitted that Valentinus was 'a capable man, both in intelligence and eloquence'. (5) Likewise, the Literalist St Jerome admits that Marcion was a 'veritable sage'. (6) The hero of Literalism Justin Martyr, on the other hand, desperately wanted to be regarded as a great philosopher, but had been refused entry into Pythagorean and Platonic schools of philosophy for his lack of knowledge of
mathematics. (7) It was only after these rebuffs that he became a Christian.
The Gnostic sages authored a huge number of gospels and spiritual treatises, including of course the original version of the Jesus story that became the New Testament Gospel of Mark. As well as this they also wrote the first commentaries on the gospels. Basilides was reputed to have written 24 books of commentaries, though without specific reference to the gospels which later became canonical. He was also said to have written a gospel himself and a book on Hindu teachings! (8) Ptolemy and Heracleon (c.170) are both credited with writing a commentary of the Gospel of John - so the first commentary on any book in the New Testament was also written by a Gnostic. (9)
Literalists, by comparison, produced little of real substance, concentrating on polemics against heretics. These anti-Gnostic works only began to be written around the middle of the second century, when Literalism started to emerge as a force in its own right. According to the fourth-century Church propagandist Eusebius, the first anti-heresy writer was a certain Agrippa Castor (c.135). (10) Justin Martyr (c.150) is also known to have composed a work against heresies.
Neither of these works survive, however. Some scholars have conjectured that this is because they were themselves far too 'unorthodox' for later orthodox Christians. (11) No refutations of heretics survive until the work of Irenaeus at the end of the second century. All subsequent refutations were based more or less on Irenaeus and frequently just copy his comments and prejudices.
But these documents attacking heretics are not the definitive statements of 'orthodox' Christianity. In the first few centuries ce we simply do not find any 'orthodoxy' as we understand it today. Literalism can only be regarded as 'orthodox' in retrospect, because Literalists eventually came to control the Church in later centuries. In the first few centuries, different factions wielded more or less power at different times and even the most fanatically 'orthodox' of Christians could find themselves ending up as 'heretics'.
In the first quarter of the third century the Literalist Hippolytus objected to policies being proposed in Rome by a Gnostic teacher and former slave Callistus. Callistus wanted Christians to recognize marriages between believers and their own slaves and extend forgiveness of sins to cover sexual transgressions. (12) Hippolytus slandered Callistus as a common criminal, but the majority of Christians in Rome respected him as a teacher who had been imprisoned and tortured, and elected him bishop. The arch heresy-hunter Hippolytus now found himself a 'heretic' from the Church of Rome whose authority he had worked so hard to endorsed Some of the greatest mouthpieces of Literalism actually defected to Gnosticism at the end of their lives,
including Tatian, Justin Martyr's protege, (14) and even the fanatical heresy-hunter Tertullian!
Tertullian joined a group of Gnostics inspired by Montanus, who had previously been a priest in the Mysteries of the Pagan godman Attis! (15)' Using the same venom with which he had previously attacked heretics, Tertullian now condemned the 'orthodox' Church for being a Church of mere Psychics, an organization of 'a number of bishops' rather than 'a spiritual church for spiritual people'.(16) It is particularly ironic, considering Tertullian's previous misogyny, that the Montanists were famous for their ecstatic women priests! One modern authority writes:
'If Montanus had triumphed, Christian doctrine would have been developed under the superintendence of wild and excitable women.'(17)
Eventually Tertullian left the Montanists and set up a Christian sect of his own - the Tertullianists.(18) Unsurprisingly, traditional Christian history glosses over Tertullian's conversion to Gnosticism. His writings against the Gnostics, however, were endlessly copied, becoming standard texts in the Literalist Church's battle to eradicate all alternative forms of Christianity.
The idea of 'orthodoxy' suggests there was always one perspective held in common by the majority of Christians, but there is no evidence to suggest that this is actually true. There only becomes such a thing as 'orthodoxy' when Literalist Christianity was adopted as the state religion of the Roman Empire. Only at this time did the Literalist faction acquire the power to enforce its particular perspective. Even then, Gnosticism continued to flourish for centuries. What was considered 'orthodox' never reflected the majority views of practising Christians. It always reflected the views of the powerful bishops.
Bibliography:
1- Pagels, E. (1975), 157. As Pagels notes, the amount of effort devotedto its refutation, and then to its complete annihilation, is indirecttestimony to the popularity of Gnosticism - as is its
constantre appearance.
2- Gibbon, E. (1796), 458. Gibbon writes with characteristic wit; 'For the most part they arose in the second century, flourished during thethird, and were suppressed in the fourth or fifth by the prevalence ofmore fashionable controversies.'
3- Doran, R. (1995), 75 warns that we must realize 'how flexible theappellation Christian was in
Rome in the second century'.
4- Irenaeus relates that even some of his bishops and deacons hadbecome Valentinian Gnostics [Against Heresies, Preface, 4.26.3, 4.41.3-4.5.31). Tertullian likewise laments that outstandingmembers of his community 'even bishops, deacons, widows andmartyrs' sought initiation into the Valentinian circle [Prescriptionagainst the Heretics, 3).
5- Tertullian, Against Valentinus, 4
6- Quoted in Godwin, J. (1981), 85
7- Guthrie, K. S. (1987), 42, referring to Justin Martyr, Dialogue withTrypho, 2
8- Mead, G. R. S. (1906), 253
9- Barnstone, W. (1984), 621. Ptolemy, or Ptolemaeus, was the head ofthe Valentinian school in Italy c. 160 CE. He is the first knownexegete of John's gospel (not surprisingly perhaps, as John's gospelwas widely held to be a Gnostic work). He is also one of the firstChristians we know of who was executed for his beliefs, seeStevenson, J. (1957), 30. Irenaeus is clearly aware that Gnostics havedied for the faith, see Pagels, E. (1979), 104, though he of coursebelittles their contribution. What is peculiar, however, is the way inwhich Irenaeus enters ecclesiastical history. As presbyter for Lyonshis first job was to carry a letter to Rome pleading for clemency forth persecuted Montanists, see Cross, F. L. (1958), 701. This wouldsuggest that the Montanists were among the famous 'Martyrs ofLyons' in 170 CE, the event which Irenaeus claims led him to Christ.
10- Eusebius (1965), 109. Eusebius claims he composed a 'most effectiverefutation of Basilides', but, as is often the case with Eusebius'sources, we have no independent evidence of Agrippa's existence, seeibid., 341.
11- Mead, G. R. S. (1906), 148. This is Mead's belief, which would seemto be supported by the failure of later heresy-hunters to pass onHippolytus' actual work, preferring to rely on Irenaeus. Rediscoveredin 1842, Hippolytus' treatise contains a large mass of new matter,including direct quotations from the 'heretics' themselves.
12- Ludemann, G., (1995), 24
13- Pagels, E. (1979), 120. See Metzger, B. M. (1987), 149, which callsHippolytus the first antipope.
14- Grant, R.M. (1959), 183
15- Metzger, op. cit., 99. According to Didymus, Montanus was a priestof Cybele who fell into a trance and began speaking in tongues.Believing himself to be inspired by the Holy Spirit (the Paracletepromised in John 14 v 15-17), he travelled Asia Minor accompaniedby two women prophetesses. He regarded ecstasy as the only trueChristianity.
16- Quoted in Pagels, op. cit., 121-2. Unlike Hippolytus and Irenaeus,Tertullian was not beatified, presumably because he apostated toMontanism in 207 CE. See Gibbon, E. (1796), 523, where it isrecorded how after his apostasy Tertullian proceeded to attack themorals of the Church which he had previously so resolutelydefended.
17- Lane-Fox, R. (1986), 409
18- Cross, F. L. (1958), 133. The Tertullianists were still surviving in thefourth century.
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[email protected], Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@ wrote:
I feel your pain too.When I first joined this group and saw on the main site,where it took my to the link about how so much history and artifacts,have been systematically destroyed by the kikes,it just broke my heart.No wonder for half my life I was so fucking lost.The kikes are responsible for so many lost Gentiles around the world.But soon they will be destroyed,and we can all find our Gentile roots again.And as I have told others,I do believe that Satan is going to use us to help guide those Gentiles that are lost,back to their Father Satan and the Gods of Hell again.
Hail Satan
BrianÃÂ
"I will crush Christianity under my boot like a poisonous toad." - Adolf Hitler
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From: firebird894 <firebird894@
Subject: [HellsArmy666] Re: Help wanted with research Australia
To:
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Date: Saturday, March 24, 2012, 10:10 AM
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This is very sad, I stopped reading and started meditating now on what I have learned and what I have felt inside.
Something is very sad here I have known it for some time but now I understand. I understand now the sadness and feeling of something lost in this great land. My goodness if only people could wake up and feel this it is becoming very clear.
There is a great deal of spiritual knowledge amongst the native people of this country... they lived close with nature for thousands of years living a simple pagan way of life largely free from the jewish and enemy programs. There has been enemy aliens here I can tell from cave paintings and still here I have seen them myself I know...I have seen! they tried to corrupt these people at some point. But I don't know that they were largely successfull here.
The people here were taught this spiritual knowledge from Satan's people this is becomming clear to me now. Most modern Aboriginals have lost this. They carried these teachings on through story telling songs and dances. An outsider may not understand but I am growing new eyes slowly now and I am starting to see what before was hidden. Their paintings and stories say it all if you know what you are looking for.
It is another tragic chapter in our history that is ignored and covered up and now dying out. This was a pure pagan land for thousands of years it lasted much longer in a Satanic natural way than most other countries on earth until the English xian settlers came here with their jewish blasphemes and ruined it all. They imposed xian jewish ways on the people here, destroyed their ways of life and be littled their teachings. Mass murdered them as inferior animals, turning them into sad alcoholics fogetting their great past. and have since then been destroying this land, polluting it and direspecting what was once pure and natural.
The memory is in the land as I walk amongst the bush and animals the memory is still there I can feel it now. I can feel Satan here I can feel his energies still within this place hidden under layers of bullshit. Why could I never see it before.
Hail satan.
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[email protected], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:
I'm still reading, the problem I am seeing is only a handfull of people looking into this, with no spiritual knowledge trying to peice together a jigsaw puzzle from ancient relics and inscriptions and Aborginal teachings... which ARE spiritual but not well understood by most people. What it looks like so far, is a description of an Arayan race called the 'culture hero's' brought Pagan beliefs and religion here thousands of years ago and possibly other travellers since then, names of Egyptian Gods are mentioned aswell as some I have not heard of, but basically described as 'sun gods' gods of time, gods of underworld, stone circles possibly used for atrology and marking the Solstice and equinoxes. Thing is none of this is supposed to exist... also some possible evidence of Gold mining one mine reportedly discovered with a shaft cut through solid basalt and no explination for how it was done. Megalithic stones with carvings and inscriptions.
Talk of 'birdmen' white people flying in the sky and comming down terrifying the native people. Bringing culture and spirituality.
So thats what I have so far. It also looks like there may have been Temples for Baal (Enlil) Isis, Ra and possibly Thoth. It may have been peoples from a later time bringing their teachings here or some kind of religion based on their teachings. I read that some gold Scarabs were found. It's very interesting.
Hail Satan
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[email protected], "firebird894" <firebird894@ wrote:
I mentioned I am looking into some discoveries in Australia, of ancient origin not well known and not accepted currently as far I am aware by main stream scientists. It looks like if anything they have tried to discredit and block, defame reasearch into this subject for many decades.
I was going to wait until I had done more research and spoken with people currently researching some sites.
However I feel I need to bring to everyones attention what I have discovered tonight. There is a lot of reading and research but from what I can gather there seems to be evidence that ancient Egyptians and Sumerians amongst other cultures did not only visit Australia but stayed for some time, built temples, pyramids and places of worship and Baal has been mentioned aswell as Ra, and possibly Enki (EA)They worshipped Sun Gods. the Native Aborinal people have told stories about these people for a long time but noone ever took them seriously. Mentions of a blue eyed fair skinned race of people came here. Also they speak of people comming down from the stars to teach them things and they still till to this day consider many sites here sacred, and some also cursed.
If there are other Australian Satanists here, who know about this or would like to help me with my research please email me. Anyone overseas who has time to read and help me go through some of this stuff especially any HP's or advanced Satanists who might see things I would miss recognise symbols etc I would like your help this could be very important. IF what I think is true... there could still be some ancient texts, tablets and knowledge in my country as I write this. A lot of stuff has been vandalised, and stolen... the government decided to put a highway by pass DIRECTLY THROUGH the Gympie Pyramid, it was in the 2009 QLD budget so I don't know if it has been done yet or not. It would completely destroy the site still under investigation and in private ownership of a research society. They have fought hard to preserve the site there is much there still not uncovered and this bypass will put a stop to it.
Sound familiar? A stone altar discovered there was smashed by a xian with a sledgehammer. Well I am no idiot but if this site was not important why would it need to be destroyed covered up? The bypass ... the thing is there is a much easier route for them to put this section of HWY on flat ground to the East... to go through the Gympie Pyramid site requires more work, more effort and more money!
They would not listen to any protests and around that time some supposed academic wrote a paper stating the site was nothing more than some old Itallian farmer building some kind of recent structure... it is bullshit, every attempt has been made to dis credit the important work being done here to uncover the truth and once again HISTORY is being destroyed, most people will never even hear about this.
I am raging mad. I have emailed the private group tonight requesting infomation on the current situation. They are carefull who they talk to, and have not yet released all they know. I hope they will talk to me. I did NOT tell them my reasons or mention Satanism at all I told them I am a private person with an interest in ancient sites and believe this knowledge is important.
I just had to vent about this I am so angry and so frustrated If I had known I could have began studying this earlier and known a lot more.
Also discovered I have to look into the details to be more precise evidence of symbols carved of serpents and Eagles.
There is so much I have to read and look into I barely know where to start and it has been sitting right under my nose all these years...I am feeling a bit overwhelmed to be honest.
here are some links to relevent websites and researchers if you would like to look into it.
http://www.rexgilroy.com/uru_chapter16.html
http://www.warriors.egympie.com.au/pyramid.html
http://www.gympiepyramid.org/index.html
http://www.dhamurian.org.au/
Hail Satan.
