Help me (please)

[Symmachos-ZEUS/SHAITAN]

I apologize...
...I usually like to talk about my spiritual path, but there are things that I would rather keep to myself. Now I find myself compelled to talk about them though, but I don't want to go into too much detail (don't worry, it's not necessary).

Please, can any advanced members tell me how long the suffering experiences that Gopi Khrisna talks about in his various books last? He took 12 years. But the idea of having to endure for a decade with the "torture" in my spine that I suffered yesterday, that I am suffering today, that I will suffer tomorrow... is a devastating realization.

I am GRATEFUL, I am in NO hurry, I know that one has to suffer as HPS Maxine Dietrich said (glory to Her forever!), but it is psychologically "strong" as a blow to know that I may have to stay a decade like this. Also because the feelings get progressively worse.

Two months ago, for example, I wasn't that bad. Now even basic things like taking walks has become absurd, the activity in my spine makes me suffer too much. Not in terms of pain, in fact I have a lot of vigor and physically I can do so much.

But in terms of energy it is impossible to even focus on anything else. I don't doubt that maybe I just need to keep getting my body used to it ... but my Martial Arts Grandmaster is extremely strict and doesn't accept excuses for my not training. Not even on the level of health and so on. Also because he selects the "chosen few" who can take exams and so on, and he would complain about my absences.

Please...

 

[nema]

I apologize...
...I usually like to talk about my spiritual path, but there are things that I would rather keep to myself. Now I find myself compelled to talk about them though, but I don't want to go into too much detail (don't worry, it's not necessary).

Please, can any advanced members tell me how long the suffering experiences that Gopi Khrisna talks about in his various books last? He took 12 years. But the idea of having to endure for a decade with the "torture" in my spine that I suffered yesterday, that I am suffering today, that I will suffer tomorrow... is a devastating realization.

I am GRATEFUL, I am in NO hurry, I know that one has to suffer as HPS Maxine Dietrich said (glory to Her forever!), but it is psychologically "strong" as a blow to know that I may have to stay a decade like this. Also because the feelings get progressively worse.

Two months ago, for example, I wasn't that bad. Now even basic things like taking walks has become absurd, the activity in my spine makes me suffer too much. Not in terms of pain, in fact I have a lot of vigor and physically I can do so much.

But in terms of energy it is impossible to even focus on anything else. I don't doubt that maybe I just need to keep getting my body used to it ... but my Martial Arts Grandmaster is extremely strict and doesn't accept excuses for my not training. Not even on the level of health and so on. Also because he selects the "chosen few" who can take exams and so on, and he would complain about my absences.

Please...

Hi! I don't know how to guide you but back pain is no joke, especially for a yogi. I would ask a God if i were you, i learned it's always better to ask than to cry later for no reason..

 

[Symmachos-ZEUS/SHAITAN]

Hi! I don't know how to guide you but back pain is no joke, especially for a yogi. I would ask a God if i were you, i learned it's always better to ask than to cry later for no reason..

It is not a back pain. My back works wonderful. It is a different kind of thing. My back works greatly, an example is in my Muay Boran training.

 

[Umun]

I apologize...
...I usually like to talk about my spiritual path, but there are things that I would rather keep to myself. Now I find myself compelled to talk about them though, but I don't want to go into too much detail (don't worry, it's not necessary).

Please, can any advanced members tell me how long the suffering experiences that Gopi Khrisna talks about in his various books last? He took 12 years. But the idea of having to endure for a decade with the "torture" in my spine that I suffered yesterday, that I am suffering today, that I will suffer tomorrow... is a devastating realization.

I am GRATEFUL, I am in NO hurry, I know that one has to suffer as HPS Maxine Dietrich said (glory to Her forever!), but it is psychologically "strong" as a blow to know that I may have to stay a decade like this. Also because the feelings get progressively worse.

Two months ago, for example, I wasn't that bad. Now even basic things like taking walks has become absurd, the activity in my spine makes me suffer too much. Not in terms of pain, in fact I have a lot of vigor and physically I can do so much.

But in terms of energy it is impossible to even focus on anything else. I don't doubt that maybe I just need to keep getting my body used to it ... but my Martial Arts Grandmaster is extremely strict and doesn't accept excuses for my not training. Not even on the level of health and so on. Also because he selects the "chosen few" who can take exams and so on, and he would complain about my absences.

Please...

So, I'm not particularly advanced but I know what you're talking about.

It is up to you how long it will last. The time it takes for a person to get adjusted and used to it so that it doesn't have the effects that impede you from functioning normally is dependent on the state you're in (which as I understood is physically great and psychologically I couldn't know), the activities you engage in to further the adjustment process, like kundalini yoga and applying the personalized guidance you get from your Guardian and/or Gods and a few other things.

12 or 20 years is a bit excessive and it's hard to make even a rough estimate of how long it will take. It could be years, it could be months, in any case this shouldn't worry you. Remember that we are in a unique position where these things can be catalyzed if we do our part.

Take care

 

[Anemos Aiteros]

Can you explain more in detail this pain? Is it a hot as lava sensation?

 

[Symmachos-ZEUS/SHAITAN]

Can you explain more in detail this pain? Is it a hot as lava sensation?

Pain itself cannot be explained. It is one of those things that if you don't feel you can't understand. I can tell you, though, that one of the things is a constant urge to stretch and task the upper spine. Sometimes even the sides of the neck, I've noticed for now that it's either one thing or the other. It's never both.

12 or 20 years is a bit excessive and it's hard to make even a rough estimate of how long it will take. It could be years, it could be months, in any case this shouldn't worry you

I would prefer to take years. I have already experienced excess energy in one chakra (the throat chakra) and it was crazy. I had stopped meditating because not only could I not speak, but I was really hurting in every way in my throat. So I'm perfectly fine with it taking several years. For me it can even take 20 years, the problem is that others don't understand. What do I say to my Grandmaster? He doesn't even accept my absences of fever and flu, let alone a spiritual or otherwise back thing ... the rest is not really a problem.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

I apologize...
...I usually like to talk about my spiritual path, but there are things that I would rather keep to myself. Now I find myself compelled to talk about them though, but I don't want to go into too much detail (don't worry, it's not necessary).

Please, can any advanced members tell me how long the suffering experiences that Gopi Khrisna talks about in his various books last? He took 12 years. But the idea of having to endure for a decade with the "torture" in my spine that I suffered yesterday, that I am suffering today, that I will suffer tomorrow... is a devastating realization.

I am GRATEFUL, I am in NO hurry, I know that one has to suffer as HPS Maxine Dietrich said (glory to Her forever!), but it is psychologically "strong" as a blow to know that I may have to stay a decade like this. Also because the feelings get progressively worse.

Two months ago, for example, I wasn't that bad. Now even basic things like taking walks has become absurd, the activity in my spine makes me suffer too much. Not in terms of pain, in fact I have a lot of vigor and physically I can do so much.

But in terms of energy it is impossible to even focus on anything else. I don't doubt that maybe I just need to keep getting my body used to it ... but my Martial Arts Grandmaster is extremely strict and doesn't accept excuses for my not training. Not even on the level of health and so on. Also because he selects the "chosen few" who can take exams and so on, and he would complain about my absences.

Please...

It’s not suffering.
However it’s painful.

Gopi Krishna suffered because he did it wrong, this was talked on by HPS Maxine as well.

You won’t be in pain for a decade, don’t worry, Gopi Krishna didn’t have the Gods as well and was on his own, and he didn’t even have a full rising just a partial part of this transformation.

This is also individual.

Be fearless, embrace it, and enjoy it, you are growing!

Read on this, (I know you might’ve read it before but you have no idea how rereading can help with epiphanies)

“There are some things I feel I should mention concerning power meditations. Unfortunately, in life, rarely, if ever, does any serious transformation occur without pain. People who want power- so called supernatural power- will find in most cases, they will have to go through pain in order to achieve this.

Our bodies and minds are used to running on a certain amount of life force. When we begin to make some serious alterations with this very life force, certain nasty side effects can crop up. This is a given and is also individual.

The life force, like any electricity is HOT. BURNING HOT. There are different physical responses to extreme heat within the body. Some of which are quite unpleasant. Inflammations, eruptions, burning sensations, and so forth are the most common.

Knowledge is everything- to know what can be expected is to understand. One clergy member found his metal pendant that he always wears has become so hot it burned a mark into his skin.

This sort of thing passes, though it can take anywhere from a week or two, to a few years. Once the physical self adjusts, the soul has been completely transformed.

This is no different than strength and mass building through weight lifting. I remember when I first began working out- there were times I couldn't even get out of bed I was so sore. It took a few years, but the bone density and body strength/mass I have are permanent.

Remember, in meditation, the same thing. Unlike physical exercise, once you enter a point, there is no turning back. You can only move forward. Stopping can be disastrous in some cases. One may lighten up, but this will do little as a certain point has already been crossed.

Very few, if any articles or materials contain any contraindications concerning the effects of advanced meditation.

1. People who are epilptics or have had any seizures, should either take it EXTREMELY slow or not at all. You are increasing the electricity within the body and the brain- enough said?
   Even in normal people, physical adjustments to the increase of electricity can cause mild siezures.
2. Everyone should ALWAYS make sure the air they are breathing in during meditation is clean. Deep breathing is no different than aerobic exercise such as running/jogging and will affect the lungs and system accordingly. Cold air can cause pleurisy, inhaling polluted air, lung problems. Keep this in mind.

Signs the Kundalini is about to ascend:​

1. Spontaneous physical/electrical energy surges can cause jerks, twitches, shaking, and energy waves and even convulsions.
2. Increased sensory awareness- heat, cold, sounds, strong tastes, odors, heightened sense of body image or absence of such, feeling a strong burning aura, disturbing thoughts [this is why void meditation is necessary to banish them as is a strong mind].
3. Sleeplessness, insomnia. One woman did not sleep for 5 months
4. On the upside- increased understanding, much easier communication with demons and the sixth sense is increased and enhanced greatly. Feelings of extreme bliss, peacefulness.
5. The external environment does not have any affect- people getting angry, you remain calm.

This is the awakening stage of the Kundalini. Much will depend upon the individual. One's health and any former meditation done in the past. The stronger you are in every respect, the less problems.

Kundalini/bio-electricity is hot like molten lead. A warm sensation at the base of your tailbone- some of us have felt a pulling upward- sometimes spinning sensation. This indicates your Kundalini has been activated.

All of the chakras must be completely open and unobstructed. The serpent of fire will ascend piercing through each chakra. For some people, this is as hot as a glowing iron. One must stay focused and direct the energy out of the crown chakra.

The Kundalini will sometimes crackle and roar as it flashes like blinding white lightening as it hits the 6th chakra. This can be brightness beyond anything you have ever experienced or seen in your life. This is where calm, complete control comes in.

The Kundalini is individual for everyone. What some people may experience, others may not.

Here are some links that are informative. Gopi Krishna writes extensively on the subject. He is said to have suffered much during the transformation, but once this was passed, he experienced extreme bliss beyond anything he had ever known until the day he died. LINK

Thoth wrote that the greatest obstacle to true spirituality is FEAR. This is where the strong survive the weak. One must have no fear. Father and your Guardian Demon will guide you. They will also push you when necessary. People say that they want extra-normal ability and power- this is the way, but nothing comes without pain in this life.

Many talk the talk, erroneously believing they are "already a God." For most, this is just a legend in their own minds.”
- https://templeofzeus.org/Transformation

 

[MercuryWisdom]

Pain itself cannot be explained. It is one of those things that if you don't feel you can't understand. I can tell you, though, that one of the things is a constant urge to stretch and task the upper spine. Sometimes even the sides of the neck, I've noticed for now that it's either one thing or the other. It's never both.



I would prefer to take years. I have already experienced excess energy in one chakra (the throat chakra) and it was crazy. I had stopped meditating because not only could I not speak, but I was really hurting in every way in my throat. So I'm perfectly fine with it taking several years. For me it can even take 20 years, the problem is that others don't understand. What do I say to my Grandmaster? He doesn't even accept my absences of fever and flu, let alone a spiritual or otherwise back thing ... the rest is not really a problem.

Don’t stop your meditations! Ease on them but don’t quit, you would be messing with your bio electricity levels, do hatha yoga to let the energy flow, and refer to Maxine’s part on my reply.

Also, contact brothers TG VoiceofEnki, and TG Alexandros Iowno they’re one of the few I can trust regarding these experiences but I think TGAI is busier than ever so keep that in mind.

 

[Henu the Great]

Pain itself cannot be explained. It is one of those things that if you don't feel you can't understand. I can tell you, though, that one of the things is a constant urge to stretch and task the upper spine. Sometimes even the sides of the neck, I've noticed for now that it's either one thing or the other. It's never both.

Then stretch. Asanas are key, especially with these things. The energy needs to flow freely and asanas help with that.

 

[logicalmind]

Everyone is talking about training and pushing their limits here. But what about rest? How much rest do you give yourself? Rest means giving time to your body to actually ground itself and make sure it gets adapted to the struggles you just went through. There is always a necessity for balance. In one sense, you struggle as much as you can. And on another side, you give yourself the necessary rest. Rest does not mean doing nothing. While resting, your body still works in adapting. Do not discard billions of years of evolutionary mechanisms.

 

[Symmachos-ZEUS/SHAITAN]

It’s not suffering.
However it’s painful.

Gopi Krishna suffered because he did it wrong, this was talked on by HPS Maxine as well.

You won’t be in pain for a decade, don’t worry, Gopi Krishna didn’t have the Gods as well and was on his own, and he didn’t even have a full rising just a partial part of this transformation.

This is also individual.

Be fearless, embrace it, and enjoy it, you are growing!

Read on this, (I know you might’ve read it before but you have no idea how rereading can help with epiphanies)

“There are some things I feel I should mention concerning power meditations. Unfortunately, in life, rarely, if ever, does any serious transformation occur without pain. People who want power- so called supernatural power- will find in most cases, they will have to go through pain in order to achieve this.

Our bodies and minds are used to running on a certain amount of life force. When we begin to make some serious alterations with this very life force, certain nasty side effects can crop up. This is a given and is also individual.

The life force, like any electricity is HOT. BURNING HOT. There are different physical responses to extreme heat within the body. Some of which are quite unpleasant. Inflammations, eruptions, burning sensations, and so forth are the most common.

Knowledge is everything- to know what can be expected is to understand. One clergy member found his metal pendant that he always wears has become so hot it burned a mark into his skin.

This sort of thing passes, though it can take anywhere from a week or two, to a few years. Once the physical self adjusts, the soul has been completely transformed.

This is no different than strength and mass building through weight lifting. I remember when I first began working out- there were times I couldn't even get out of bed I was so sore. It took a few years, but the bone density and body strength/mass I have are permanent.

Remember, in meditation, the same thing. Unlike physical exercise, once you enter a point, there is no turning back. You can only move forward. Stopping can be disastrous in some cases. One may lighten up, but this will do little as a certain point has already been crossed.

Very few, if any articles or materials contain any contraindications concerning the effects of advanced meditation.

1. People who are epilptics or have had any seizures, should either take it EXTREMELY slow or not at all. You are increasing the electricity within the body and the brain- enough said?
   Even in normal people, physical adjustments to the increase of electricity can cause mild siezures.
2. Everyone should ALWAYS make sure the air they are breathing in during meditation is clean. Deep breathing is no different than aerobic exercise such as running/jogging and will affect the lungs and system accordingly. Cold air can cause pleurisy, inhaling polluted air, lung problems. Keep this in mind.

Signs the Kundalini is about to ascend:​

1. Spontaneous physical/electrical energy surges can cause jerks, twitches, shaking, and energy waves and even convulsions.
2. Increased sensory awareness- heat, cold, sounds, strong tastes, odors, heightened sense of body image or absence of such, feeling a strong burning aura, disturbing thoughts [this is why void meditation is necessary to banish them as is a strong mind].
3. Sleeplessness, insomnia. One woman did not sleep for 5 months
4. On the upside- increased understanding, much easier communication with demons and the sixth sense is increased and enhanced greatly. Feelings of extreme bliss, peacefulness.
5. The external environment does not have any affect- people getting angry, you remain calm.

This is the awakening stage of the Kundalini. Much will depend upon the individual. One's health and any former meditation done in the past. The stronger you are in every respect, the less problems.

Kundalini/bio-electricity is hot like molten lead. A warm sensation at the base of your tailbone- some of us have felt a pulling upward- sometimes spinning sensation. This indicates your Kundalini has been activated.

All of the chakras must be completely open and unobstructed. The serpent of fire will ascend piercing through each chakra. For some people, this is as hot as a glowing iron. One must stay focused and direct the energy out of the crown chakra.

The Kundalini will sometimes crackle and roar as it flashes like blinding white lightening as it hits the 6th chakra. This can be brightness beyond anything you have ever experienced or seen in your life. This is where calm, complete control comes in.

The Kundalini is individual for everyone. What some people may experience, others may not.

Here are some links that are informative. Gopi Krishna writes extensively on the subject. He is said to have suffered much during the transformation, but once this was passed, he experienced extreme bliss beyond anything he had ever known until the day he died. LINK

Thoth wrote that the greatest obstacle to true spirituality is FEAR. This is where the strong survive the weak. One must have no fear. Father and your Guardian Demon will guide you. They will also push you when necessary. People say that they want extra-normal ability and power- this is the way, but nothing comes without pain in this life.

Many talk the talk, erroneously believing they are "already a God." For most, this is just a legend in their own minds.”
- https://templeofzeus.org/Transformation

Don’t stop your meditations! Ease on them but don’t quit, you would be messing with your bio electricity levels, do hatha yoga to let the energy flow, and refer to Maxine’s part on my reply.

Also, contact brothers TG VoiceofEnki, and TG Alexandros Iowno they’re one of the few I can trust regarding these experiences but I think TGAI is busier than ever so keep that in mind.

Then stretch. Asanas are key, especially with these things. The energy needs to flow freely and asanas help with that.

I truly thank you my beloved ones! More than a like I don't know how best to express my gratitude, but please know that I am truly grateful. However, Mercury Wisdom, actually reading Gopi's books seemed a bit much to me. I am also actually in pain, suffering, etc., but his experience was still excessive in an extreme way. And actually your argument makes sense. Henu The Great, that is very good advice from you. Indeed, my body spontaneously desires to do Asanas. It sounds crazy, but I swear to you that these are specific Asanas. For example, this morning I definitely wanted to do the Cobra stretch. Not because I thought it was helpful, but it was really my body wanting to do it. Thank you again!

 

[MercuryWisdom]

I truly thank you my beloved ones! More than a like I don't know how best to express my gratitude, but please know that I am truly grateful. However, Mercury Wisdom, actually reading Gopi's books seemed a bit much to me. I am also actually in pain, suffering, etc., but his experience was still excessive in an extreme way. And actually your argument makes sense. Henu The Great, that is very good advice from you. Indeed, my body spontaneously desires to do Asanas. It sounds crazy, but I swear to you that these are specific Asanas. For example, this morning I definitely wanted to do the Cobra stretch. Not because I thought it was helpful, but it was really my body wanting to do it. Thank you again!

Yes, do yoga, hatha yoga especially, so energies don’t get stuck, when your body wants to do an asana do it.

Also, please take care of your mindset. Don’t say you are “suffering” and keep 100% positive thoughts, you have a lot of energy and you manifest stuff, even subconciously.

Pain is not the same as suffering, compare it to the gym analogy, no pain no gain.

Since you’re in so much pain, know that this is because you’re growing much power and see it positively, you’re unleashing the mountain of power that was lying dormant and it’s causing transformation and pain.

 

[fuoco blu 666]

I apologize...
...I usually like to talk about my spiritual path, but there are things that I would rather keep to myself. Now I find myself compelled to talk about them though, but I don't want to go into too much detail (don't worry, it's not necessary).

Please, can any advanced members tell me how long the suffering experiences that Gopi Khrisna talks about in his various books last? He took 12 years. But the idea of having to endure for a decade with the "torture" in my spine that I suffered yesterday, that I am suffering today, that I will suffer tomorrow... is a devastating realization.

I am GRATEFUL, I am in NO hurry, I know that one has to suffer as HPS Maxine Dietrich said (glory to Her forever!), but it is psychologically "strong" as a blow to know that I may have to stay a decade like this. Also because the feelings get progressively worse.

Two months ago, for example, I wasn't that bad. Now even basic things like taking walks has become absurd, the activity in my spine makes me suffer too much. Not in terms of pain, in fact I have a lot of vigor and physically I can do so much.

But in terms of energy it is impossible to even focus on anything else. I don't doubt that maybe I just need to keep getting my body used to it ... but my Martial Arts Grandmaster is extremely strict and doesn't accept excuses for my not training. Not even on the level of health and so on. Also because he selects the "chosen few" who can take exams and so on, and he would complain about my absences.

Please...

What you are experimenting is very subjective and depends on many factors.

One is the physical and elemental factor of the physique itself and how much energy can keep.

The others are the mental and spiritual factors, based on where the energy is blocked by karmic seeds and psychological complexes.

For the physical factor, the Yoga Hatha and Kundalini and an adequate diet that includes meat and foods as unrelated as possible, regularity of sleep and physical training.

The mental factor can be a mind that is afraid and complex on tackling psychic transformation.



You can use the energy to let off steam correctly and ask the gods the best way to advance so you will know what you can do at best.

Spiritual communication reaches levels and there are several methods, pendulum with seals, Ouija tables, black mirror and telepathic communication.

I am reading Gopi Krishna's books.

Do you have other effects from this experience?

 

[Symmachos-ZEUS/SHAITAN]

Do you have other effects from this experience?

Thank you very much. You have given me valuable considerations. Tomorrow I have to train again (in preparation for the exam, the 7th khan by the way), before the training I will practice what you wrote. Yes anyway, I have other effects, but this is what was hindering me from standard social life.

Anyway I know this is off-topic, but I was very happy to read one of your comments again. I don't spend much time in the Italian section except when I see a question posted there, so hearing from you again made me very happy. Thank you!

 

[Henu the Great]

Henu The Great, that is very good advice from you. Indeed, my body spontaneously desires to do Asanas. It sounds crazy, but I swear to you that these are specific Asanas. For example, this morning I definitely wanted to do the Cobra stretch. Not because I thought it was helpful, but it was really my body wanting to do it. Thank you again!

Yes, you need to listen to your body and Kundalini.

 

[Umun]

I would prefer to take years. I have already experienced excess energy in one chakra (the throat chakra) and it was crazy. I had stopped meditating because not only could I not speak, but I was really hurting in every way in my throat. So I'm perfectly fine with it taking several years. For me it can even take 20 years, the problem is that others don't understand. What do I say to my Grandmaster? He doesn't even accept my absences of fever and flu, let alone a spiritual or otherwise back thing ... the rest is not really a problem.

Try to address the remnants of fear in yourself but you have to be painfully honest. This makes a huge difference and will hopefully help you to go through what you're experiencing more efficiently in several ways.

Otherwise, you got a lot of useful information in the replies in this thread. The only thing I would add is that you really can't expect people, apart from some of us here, to understand. It's quite obvious and I'm sure you're aware of it but I felt like saying it anyway just to emphasize it. There's no reason why it should bother you.

Good luck and stay strong