Hello again, Teens4Satan

[thegod2929]

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am <em>not</em> a Satanist.
2. I am <em>not</em> going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I <em>will not</em> listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught "holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

 

[whatshisface117]

Well for one, The Gods don't care about going out of their way to prove there existence to every single skeptic out there. They have better things to do with there time other than entering your room and making your pencil float about, or overwhelming your aura with energy you prove there existence.

You don't seem to realize that they just don't care about you, or what you think of there existence.

Further more, the reason you haven't seen any is because your not being open minded, you try to convince us, and yourself that you are, but you clearly are. You walk in, demand proof, when no one hands you in, you acuse us of fraud. No one has to prove anything to you.

IF you truely want proof of the Gods/Demons, Go open up your astral senses and see them for yourself. We have better things to do in this egroup than convince skeptics.

-Hail Father, Lord Satan!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "thegod2929" <thegod2929@... wrote:

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am not a Satanist.
2. I am not going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I will not listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or
blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm
not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can
answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly
suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin
once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would
consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If
the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to
believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they
simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is
akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is
state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so
much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things
were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large
electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a
girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's
mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught
"holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why
can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be
falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their
occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you
accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

 

[lightseeker15]

You don't seem to understand what really the Demons are. They are physical EXTRATERRESTRIAL beings that live in another planet and communicate with us using telepathy and astral projection. With that being said, one needs to have their ASTRAL SENSES open to see Their astral bodies, which unfortunately most people have them dormant. If you want to have proof of Demons go practice power meditations and you'll be able to see them. I'm talking from my experience here, I was an agnostic just on the same state like you I didn't believe all of that until I experienced it myself. It is a prove-to-yourself deal, and actually Satanism ENCOURAGES having proof and questioning before making a commitment.

The dark ball you said, it is an astral/psychic sense deal too. Two people who have their astral senses open they will be able to see it if its real.

And about being ignorant, how do YOU know that?A deaf man who doesn't believe that there is music and challenges other people to prove that music exists, isn't he ignorant?It is the same deal with you, you have your astral senses closed and yet you asking these questions to some people who are psychically open.

Another thing you don't understand is that you seem to believe that only some people can see Demons. No, EVERYONE can see Demons like I said if they open their PSYCHIC SENSES.

Last thing, actually Satanism is about free thought and questioning everything, so making something up to convince others is irrelevant, we must NOT blind faith. Even a person gets swayed by that they are not a real Satanist because they believe what others say and not do their own research. And I would care less if someone converted, Satanism is about free will not prosyletizing or converting everyone.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "thegod2929" <thegod2929@... wrote:

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am not a Satanist.
2. I am not going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I will not listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or
blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm
not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can
answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly
suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin
once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would
consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If
the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to
believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they
simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is
akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is
state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so
much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things
were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large
electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a
girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's
mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught
"holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why
can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be
falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their
occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you
accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

 

[lightseeker15]

Oh and please take your time reading through that site below, I feel its important for you:

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "thegod2929" <thegod2929@... wrote:

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am not a Satanist.
2. I am not going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I will not listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or
blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm
not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can
answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly
suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin
once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would
consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If
the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to
believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they
simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is
akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is
state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so
much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things
were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large
electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a
girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's
mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught
"holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why
can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be
falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their
occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you
accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

 

[Daniel Pineda]

I think because we all respect there wishes of us not wanting to expose them
#2 because Father Satan does not push himself on anyone we all go to him and this is another answer for the above question as demons are under Satan
#3I suppose if u knew how to do it correctly i didnt really understand the question
#4i have no idea that seems like a lie to me because the person that was holding it would be able to see it but the other person that walked in on him or her would not unless they were advanced spiritually
#5Yes but i really doubt it as father Satan discourages dishonesty.
If i got anthing wrong in answering your questions im sorry i guess and if any other satanist could answer them better it would be great and yes asking why is one of the ways of life and you shouldnt have offended any satanist
-----Original Message-----
Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:46:21 pm
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
From: "thegod2929" <thegod2929@...
Subject: [Teens4Satan] Hello again, Teens4Satan

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am not a Satanist.
2. I am not going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I will not listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or
blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm
not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can
answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly
suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin
once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would
consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If
the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to
believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they
simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is
akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is
state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so
much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things
were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large
electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a
girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's
mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught
"holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why
can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be
falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their
occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you
accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

 

[Rebecca Zimmermann]

1. I basically asked these exact questions when I first came to Satanism a little while ago.
2. Good quote
3. Evidence of demons? Well you can dedicate yourself and summon one. But I'm NOT suggesting this because it's not something to play around with! Don't Dedicate just to play around( unless you like a shit storm.)
4. Why don't demons go around like" I'm here! Wha-Laaaaahhh! Watch me exist in all my awesomeness 'cause I EXIST, man!YEAH!"? First off It's silly and they don't need to put on a fancy show to get followers(that's xtians). Now I'll ask YOU a question. Do you go around introducing yourself to squirles just to prove you exist? Point made.
5. As for the ball of energy thingy, not many people can do this but if you meet someone who can, then they can show you.
5. Do you always talk in esays? 'Cause really this is a full and complete essay. I guess good job geting A+s in english.

Hail SATAN!
Hail ENKI!

From: thegod2929 <thegod2929@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 11:03:16 PM
Subject: [Teens4Satan] Hello again, Teens4Satan

  Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am <em>not</em> a Satanist.
2. I am <em>not</em> going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I <em>will not</em> listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught "holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

 

[Dane]

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "thegod2929" <thegod2929@... wrote:

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am not a Satanist.
2. I am not going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I will not listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or
blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm
not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can
answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly
suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin
once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would
consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If
the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to
believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they
simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is
akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is
state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so
much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things
were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large
electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a
girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's
mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught
"holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why
can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be
falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their
occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you
accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

The original gods do not need to prove themselves worthy to people who don't believe, and do not force themselves, as with Father Satan, onto people who cannot see the truth.

Also, you're best off asking the person who got caught. We are not her.

 

[lightseeker15]

"If the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to believe and trust them?"

You are missing the point here, the Demons want us to rely on our own powers and develop them and become Gods like them, therefore they dont make some miracles to have "faith" because thats NOT THE POINT. They also help those who help themselves. If they did those "miracles" all they would attract are lazy xian-style idiots who want to rely on the Demons to take care of them!

And although I mentioned a way to prove that They are real in my other message, I feel I need to say this, SATANISM IS MAINLY ABOUT SELF EMPOWERMENT AND FREEDOM. Doing things just to convert others defeats the point and is like christianity, thats right this so called religion invents lies in order to convert people.

So if you are truly a skeptic as you claim to be and not a pseudo-skeptic (the worst dogmatist, one who has an belief that all of the "occult" phenomena aren't real and should be dismissed) you will consider doing some meditations, empowering yourself, opening yourself astrally so that you can experience the Demons for yourself if you need proof. If you don't need proof don't do anything HOWEVER don't ASSUME that all those are impossible and every person having to do with the occult is stupid or you will be a worse dogmatist than xians. After that, a true skeptic considers all the possibilities and inquires about everything while being non-judgemental, NO?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "thegod2929" <thegod2929@... wrote:

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am not a Satanist.
2. I am not going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I will not listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or
blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm
not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can
answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly
suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin
once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would
consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If
the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to
believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they
simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is
akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is
state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so
much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things
were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large
electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a
girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's
mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught
"holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why
can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be
falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their
occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you
accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

 

[tharindu]

Hello

Let me ask you this how do you know there is wind? Can you see it? No.
No one can see wind but we know it is there because we see not the wind but the shaking leaves on trees that caused by the wind. So how do I know existence of demons. Same way as you know wind I never seen demons yet, but because of all these good things happening in my life after dedication I surely know demons do exist. Do you really think I should spend my precious time to prove others that demons do exist other than meditating to empower my self. It's like showing some thing in the sky to a blind man and try to prove it's really there. No one can see demons until they open their third eye. But I believe it is possible to see them in our dreams. Scientists say all dimensions are playgrounds for the mind but some how our physical body stuck in this 3rd dimension.
Anyway I'll give you a buzz when I fully open my 3rd eye so you can come with all your measuring equipments and measure my demon friends auras here in Sri Lanka AKA Ceylon.

HAIL FATHER SATAN AND ALL MY DEMON BROTHERS/SISTERS AND FRIENDS!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "thegod2929" <thegod2929@... wrote:

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am not a Satanist.
2. I am not going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I will not listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or
blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm
not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can
answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly
suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin
once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would
consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If
the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to
believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they
simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is
akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is
state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so
much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things
were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large
electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a
girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's
mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught
"holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why
can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be
falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their
occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you
accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

 

[Michael1]

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "thegod2929" <thegod2929@... wrote:

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am not a Satanist.
2. I am not going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I will not listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or
blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm
not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can
answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly
suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin
once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would
consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If
the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to
believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they
simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is
akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is
state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so
much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things
were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large
electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a
girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's
mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught
"holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why
can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be
falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their
occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you
accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

I am not an expert on all this but i'll try give you some correct answers.

From what I understand there are different levels of existence depending on the vibrations of everything. Demons have a lot higher frequency than we do, or anything on earth for that matter. They don't appear physically because of this. I don't know whether they can lower their frequencies or not but I assume they can't. If you are open enough, you can tell they're there, but as christianity has kept the public from the knowledge to open themselves up, most people can't feel them.

In response to no body being able to measure these frequencies i'm not sure. Maybe our technology isn't advanced enough yet or maybe it is being hidden from the public to keep us all under control.

With the girl being caught by her dad, if it's true then her dad must have been able to feel the energy. I'm pretty sure science has proved the existence of energy but even so, you just have to work with energy to be able to tell that it's there.

Hopefully this helped but like I said I'm no expert. I'm sure someone more advanced could give you more accurate reasons if mine aren't that correct.

 

[adamalkemis]

Hey there,

well I am a spiritual satanist, been around the block too so I will treat you as equal.
The words of Benjamin Franklin are truly wise words, and the true spiritual satanists take them by heart.

The great among us only dedicate when we KNOW this is the path for us, and then there are those that dedicate in the hope of finding proof of this path.
Therefore, I rather not share experiences with other people. Should I do this, it could 1. Teach them about it. 2. Make them BELIEVE (which is not good) 3. Make them insecure if they do not share the experiences.

Ofcourse, there are the casual (huge) amount of teenagers that wish to rebel against parents and become ''satanist'' with all the deathmetal and black clothes and killing insects involved with their idea of satanism.
We do not encourage this.
Posts about holding a huge ball of black energy and being caught is a load of crap from a girl craving attention. Despite we are magi's, we do not live in a dragonball Z world and to manifest a ''huge ball of black energy'' strong enough to be seen by the untrained eye would be godlike power.

The powers and presence of gods is just such a thing, everyone should see for themselves. Try a summoning ritual sometime without expectations. Nothing happens? Ok, you know that now. You get results? Well, there's your answer.

You seem like a smart person and interesting to discuss, if you would like to, Add me sometime. We could discuss magick forms and religions together, so perhaps I could inform you more on satanism and you more about your personal preferences.

Hope I have been helpful,
Adam.

Ave Lucifer

 

[ad86us]

Well said bro im sick of closeminded skeptics coming here to supposedly prove that we are wrong using their twisted logic although they never tried any of our stuff like meditations to see if they r real.

To thegod2929:

The real question is why are you here?Are you here to learn about Satanism?Are you interested in our religion and learning?If yes go on ahead and study and ask your questions if they lead to you to better understand things. Don't demand proof ar accuse cuz we don't have to prove anything if you really know what Satanism is about you'll understand and learn and get that evidence on your own. If you are really interested then the burden of proof is on you, not us. Sorry if I sound rude but don't expect to come here all heated up and disruptive and get away with it, if u are as openminded as you say you will study, learn and meditate more. But if you are here to cause trouble then sorry but i have to say this, GET THE FUCK OUT.

Hail Lord Satan!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "whatshisface117" <whatshisface1117@... wrote:

Well for one, The Gods don't care about going out of their way to prove there existence to every single skeptic out there. They have better things to do with there time other than entering your room and making your pencil float about, or overwhelming your aura with energy you prove there existence.

You don't seem to realize that they just don't care about you, or what you think of there existence.

Further more, the reason you haven't seen any is because your not being open minded, you try to convince us, and yourself that you are, but you clearly are. You walk in, demand proof, when no one hands you in, you acuse us of fraud. No one has to prove anything to you.

IF you truely want proof of the Gods/Demons, Go open up your astral senses and see them for yourself. We have better things to do in this egroup than convince skeptics.

-Hail Father, Lord Satan!






--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "thegod2929" <thegod2929@ wrote:

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am not a Satanist.
2. I am not going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I will not listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or
blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm
not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can
answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly
suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin
once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would
consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If
the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to
believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they
simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is
akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is
state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so
much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things
were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large
electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a
girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's
mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught
"holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why
can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be
falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their
occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you
accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.

 

[NickG]

The responses in this thread are precisely what I was fearing.

I am a Norse Pagan, not Christian or anything else.

To those of you who said something along the lines of proving a sense to one without it is tomfoolery because:
1. We can measure wind.
2. We can measure music.

When I said "prove their existence" I did not mean to imply that they should appear and sit on the Pope's hat whilst he chants to the masses, and scare the life out of millions of people, but just allow themselves to be measured and/or seen so that there won't be any skeptics that are turned away by the fact that they can't believe what they can't see.

Before you attempt to invalidate me by calling me a fool for believing such silly gods, I want to express that I am not here to accuse you of anything. I just want someone who doesn't assume I'm a Christian committing espionage to scare a few people to God. The Bible makes less sense to me than Russian does to an Italian infant. There are far too many contradictions to supplicate belief in God.

If Satan wants you, and all his believers, to question everything in the world, why I am I not entitled, as another human being, to question why you believe? I hear too much evangelism of Satanism as the "one true religion" with too little proof to cement that statement. If demons do/did exist, they would allow themselves to have evidence made from, so the devout few left in this world would re-dedicate their lives to the real God, Satan.

I am not psychically dull. I am also a practicing Kung Fu artist, and partial Taoist. I understand that regardless of whether or not I can prove that Qi exists, I can feel its effects when I channel it into my arm to slam shut a large door with one hand, whereas normally it would require both hands in a large burst of energy.

Another point to the sense-deaf claimers: The reason a deaf man doesn't doubt that music exists is because it's widely known that it does, no? It's very well established that varying wavelengths in disturbances in the surrounding atmosphere can produce waves capable of transmitting auditory information.

Again, I wish not to bash your religion, I just want some answers. If Satan wants everyone to know, why can I not question everything, including him?

 

[High Priestess Maxine Dietrich]

Your first question:
"Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them?"

What do you deem as "evidence"? You are making a strong statement here, claiming "no one." Where is your proof that NO ONE can produce any evidence? What are you using for your references in order to support this claim?

You have to experience Demons for yourself. The same goes for accessing higher levels of the mind through meditation. This is something one can only really understand by experiencing this for him/herself.

As for the establishment/system, if you would take the time to read through the Joy of Satan website, you would learn that spiritual knowledge has been actively suppressed and under violent attack for centuries. Tibet is a blatant example in modern times.

You claim to have felt 'chi.' I, myself have quite a few years in the martial arts and can also feel chi. I can also feel Demons. My third eye is open and I also see Demons, and much more. You claim you are a 'Norse Pagan" and 'partial Taoist.' To be a Norse Pagan, you must believe in the Norse Gods. If not, then you are no more than an atheist maybe practicing some Norse magick. If you are truly a Norse Pagan, then what is the difference between the Norse Gods and Demons? Truth be known, many of the Norse Gods are the Demons we here know and interact with. Also, how can one be a 'Partial Taoist'? Please explain this.

Truth be known, Benjamin Franklin was a Satanist.

Your statement right here:
"I am not psychically dull. I am also a practicing Kung Fu artist, and partial Taoist. I understand that regardless of whether or not I can prove that Qi exists, I can feel its effects when I channel it into my arm to slam shut a large door with one hand, whereas normally it would require both hands in a large burst of energy."

This explains our stance concerning Demons. The christian churches and islam have worked relentlessly for centuries to try to frighten people away from Satan and his Demons, prevent any contact with them or any knowledge of them in a positive sense. If you are legitimately interested and psychically competent as you claim to be, you will attempt to experience this for yourself. I also strongly encourage you to read through www.joyofsatan.org to answer more questions.

And, NO, we are not about 'blind faith.' I was an atheist for over 15 years before coming to Satan. I found for myself he is very real, as are his Demons, on my own, beyond all doubt.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "thegod2929" <thegod2929@... wrote:

Before I begin, I feel compelled to say a few things:

1. I am not a Satanist.
2. I am not going to accuse you of heresy, as I am not Christian.
3. I will not listen to those who accuse me of stupidity, ignorance, or
blindness. In all likelihood, I know more about everything than you. I'm
not arrogant, it's just that I've been around the block.

Now, I shall continue.

I pose these questions to you, the community, in hopes that you can
answer every question I ask, and every point. If you cannot, I strongly
suggest you re-think your position on religion. As Benjamin Franklin
once said, "To follow by faith alone is to follow blindly." I would
consider this man's words with great attention.

Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them? If
the demons want the human race to survive, would they not want more to
believe and trust them? Such things would be easily achieved if they
simply proved their existence, no? One can argue that their visage is
akin to that of a vampire; it won't appear in a photo, however, it is
state that demons emanate a higher biological charge than humans do, so
much so that it can 'cause muscle soreness or aches.' If such things
were true, would it not be a simple matter to measure these large
electrical auras?

The first time I joined to observe, I noticed a message that claimed a
girl (or boy, I don't remember if it was specified, though the author's
mannerisms and speech hinted at the female gender) had been caught
"holding a huge ball of dark energy" in her hand by her father. Now, why
can no one prove these happenings? Could these encounters not be
falsified, made up to convince more people to follow them in their
occult-like religion? As mentioned in the list above, I do not wish you
accuse you of idiocy, only to ask 'why?'.



--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "NickG" <thegod2929@... wrote:

The responses in this thread are precisely what I was fearing.

I am a Norse Pagan, not Christian or anything else.

To those of you who said something along the lines of proving a sense to one without it is tomfoolery because:
1. We can measure wind.
2. We can measure music.

When I said "prove their existence" I did not mean to imply that they should appear and sit on the Pope's hat whilst he chants to the masses, and scare the life out of millions of people, but just allow themselves to be measured and/or seen so that there won't be any skeptics that are turned away by the fact that they can't believe what they can't see.

Before you attempt to invalidate me by calling me a fool for believing such silly gods, I want to express that I am not here to accuse you of anything. I just want someone who doesn't assume I'm a Christian committing espionage to scare a few people to God. The Bible makes less sense to me than Russian does to an Italian infant. There are far too many contradictions to supplicate belief in God.

If Satan wants you, and all his believers, to question everything in the world, why I am I not entitled, as another human being, to question why you believe? I hear too much evangelism of Satanism as the "one true religion" with too little proof to cement that statement. If demons do/did exist, they would allow themselves to have evidence made from, so the devout few left in this world would re-dedicate their lives to the real God, Satan.

I am not psychically dull. I am also a practicing Kung Fu artist, and partial Taoist. I understand that regardless of whether or not I can prove that Qi exists, I can feel its effects when I channel it into my arm to slam shut a large door with one hand, whereas normally it would require both hands in a large burst of energy.

Another point to the sense-deaf claimers: The reason a deaf man doesn't doubt that music exists is because it's widely known that it does, no? It's very well established that varying wavelengths in disturbances in the surrounding atmosphere can produce waves capable of transmitting auditory information.

Again, I wish not to bash your religion, I just want some answers. If Satan wants everyone to know, why can I not question everything, including him?

 

[NickG]

As for the proof/evidence, again, I'm not asking for some fool to appear on NBC news with a picture of a stereotypical large, red, horned demon emanating electrical pulses standing next to him, I'm simply asking for someone to supply ONE meager, unphotoshopped photo of a demon. If one could do this, I would convert without a second thought, if the photo was valid.
If anywhere should be able to show me proof, I expected the forums of the most popular theistic Satanist church would be the place to go, especially considering I got a reply from the Church leader.

I have read a great deal on the general history and origin of the Joy of Satan and the general oppression of spiritual knowledge, and yes, it is awful and terrible.

Let me explain my religious view. I am a partially-observant Norse Pagan (I can't go around chugging down mugs of ale and felling trees for altars and the like, it's just impractical, and illegal), to the extent that I have a set of lots that I can draw from, and I observe most holidays. I am partially Taoist because I agree with several of the major concepts of Taoism, I don't like the hero-like qualities of the dominant figures of the Taoist faith/philosophy, I prefer to keep it as an internal-styled faith, and thus I am only partial.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@... wrote:



Your first question:
"Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them?"

What do you deem as "evidence"? You are making a strong statement here, claiming "no one." Where is your proof that NO ONE can produce any evidence? What are you using for your references in order to support this claim?

You have to experience Demons for yourself. The same goes for accessing higher levels of the mind through meditation. This is something one can only really understand by experiencing this for him/herself.

As for the establishment/system, if you would take the time to read through the Joy of Satan website, you would learn that spiritual knowledge has been actively suppressed and under violent attack for centuries. Tibet is a blatant example in modern times.

You claim to have felt 'chi.' I, myself have quite a few years in the martial arts and can also feel chi. I can also feel Demons. My third eye is open and I also see Demons, and much more. You claim you are a 'Norse Pagan" and 'partial Taoist.' To be a Norse Pagan, you must believe in the Norse Gods. If not, then you are no more than an atheist maybe practicing some Norse magick. If you are truly a Norse Pagan, then what is the difference between the Norse Gods and Demons? Truth be known, many of the Norse Gods are the Demons we here know and interact with. Also, how can one be a 'Partial Taoist'? Please explain this.

Truth be known, Benjamin Franklin was a Satanist.

Your statement right here:
"I am not psychically dull. I am also a practicing Kung Fu artist, and partial Taoist. I understand that regardless of whether or not I can prove that Qi exists, I can feel its effects when I channel it into my arm to slam shut a large door with one hand, whereas normally it would require both hands in a large burst of energy."

This explains our stance concerning Demons. The christian churches and islam have worked relentlessly for centuries to try to frighten people away from Satan and his Demons, prevent any contact with them or any knowledge of them in a positive sense. If you are legitimately interested and psychically competent as you claim to be, you will attempt to experience this for yourself. I also strongly encourage you to read through www.joyofsatan.org to answer more questions.

And, NO, we are not about 'blind faith.' I was an atheist for over 15 years before coming to Satan. I found for myself he is very real, as are his Demons, on my own, beyond all doubt.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

 

[lightseeker15]

Oh its possible to photograph a Demon but only in one case, when they come to earth and have their physical bodies here

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "NickG" <thegod2929@... wrote:

As for the proof/evidence, again, I'm not asking for some fool to appear on NBC news with a picture of a stereotypical large, red, horned demon emanating electrical pulses standing next to him, I'm simply asking for someone to supply ONE meager, unphotoshopped photo of a demon. If one could do this, I would convert without a second thought, if the photo was valid.
If anywhere should be able to show me proof, I expected the forums of the most popular theistic Satanist church would be the place to go, especially considering I got a reply from the Church leader.

I have read a great deal on the general history and origin of the Joy of Satan and the general oppression of spiritual knowledge, and yes, it is awful and terrible.

Let me explain my religious view. I am a partially-observant Norse Pagan (I can't go around chugging down mugs of ale and felling trees for altars and the like, it's just impractical, and illegal), to the extent that I have a set of lots that I can draw from, and I observe most holidays. I am partially Taoist because I agree with several of the major concepts of Taoism, I don't like the hero-like qualities of the dominant figures of the Taoist faith/philosophy, I prefer to keep it as an internal-styled faith, and thus I am only partial.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@ wrote:



Your first question:
"Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them?"

What do you deem as "evidence"? You are making a strong statement here, claiming "no one." Where is your proof that NO ONE can produce any evidence? What are you using for your references in order to support this claim?

You have to experience Demons for yourself. The same goes for accessing higher levels of the mind through meditation. This is something one can only really understand by experiencing this for him/herself.

As for the establishment/system, if you would take the time to read through the Joy of Satan website, you would learn that spiritual knowledge has been actively suppressed and under violent attack for centuries. Tibet is a blatant example in modern times.

You claim to have felt 'chi.' I, myself have quite a few years in the martial arts and can also feel chi. I can also feel Demons. My third eye is open and I also see Demons, and much more. You claim you are a 'Norse Pagan" and 'partial Taoist.' To be a Norse Pagan, you must believe in the Norse Gods. If not, then you are no more than an atheist maybe practicing some Norse magick. If you are truly a Norse Pagan, then what is the difference between the Norse Gods and Demons? Truth be known, many of the Norse Gods are the Demons we here know and interact with. Also, how can one be a 'Partial Taoist'? Please explain this.

Truth be known, Benjamin Franklin was a Satanist.

Your statement right here:
"I am not psychically dull. I am also a practicing Kung Fu artist, and partial Taoist. I understand that regardless of whether or not I can prove that Qi exists, I can feel its effects when I channel it into my arm to slam shut a large door with one hand, whereas normally it would require both hands in a large burst of energy."

This explains our stance concerning Demons. The christian churches and islam have worked relentlessly for centuries to try to frighten people away from Satan and his Demons, prevent any contact with them or any knowledge of them in a positive sense. If you are legitimately interested and psychically competent as you claim to be, you will attempt to experience this for yourself. I also strongly encourage you to read through www.joyofsatan.org to answer more questions.

And, NO, we are not about 'blind faith.' I was an atheist for over 15 years before coming to Satan. I found for myself he is very real, as are his Demons, on my own, beyond all doubt.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

 

[lightseeker15]

Let me clear this up because you seem to don't understand what a Demon is. Demons are in the astral, therefore they can't appear in a photo. Here is an example of what I mean, lets assume that there are 4 people in a room, two astrally open and two astrally open and two astrally closed. If a Demon appears the astrally open will be able to see him and the astrally closed won't. Even if the astrally open try to photograph the Demon they will actually photograph the area WITHOUT the Demon because he is in the ASTRAL. Demons CAN move objects sometimes but they can't appear in the physical realm.

Of course you can find many drawings of Demons in the same state as they have appeared to people, if that helps you.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "NickG" <thegod2929@... wrote:

As for the proof/evidence, again, I'm not asking for some fool to appear on NBC news with a picture of a stereotypical large, red, horned demon emanating electrical pulses standing next to him, I'm simply asking for someone to supply ONE meager, unphotoshopped photo of a demon. If one could do this, I would convert without a second thought, if the photo was valid.
If anywhere should be able to show me proof, I expected the forums of the most popular theistic Satanist church would be the place to go, especially considering I got a reply from the Church leader.

I have read a great deal on the general history and origin of the Joy of Satan and the general oppression of spiritual knowledge, and yes, it is awful and terrible.

Let me explain my religious view. I am a partially-observant Norse Pagan (I can't go around chugging down mugs of ale and felling trees for altars and the like, it's just impractical, and illegal), to the extent that I have a set of lots that I can draw from, and I observe most holidays. I am partially Taoist because I agree with several of the major concepts of Taoism, I don't like the hero-like qualities of the dominant figures of the Taoist faith/philosophy, I prefer to keep it as an internal-styled faith, and thus I am only partial.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@ wrote:



Your first question:
"Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them?"

What do you deem as "evidence"? You are making a strong statement here, claiming "no one." Where is your proof that NO ONE can produce any evidence? What are you using for your references in order to support this claim?

You have to experience Demons for yourself. The same goes for accessing higher levels of the mind through meditation. This is something one can only really understand by experiencing this for him/herself.

As for the establishment/system, if you would take the time to read through the Joy of Satan website, you would learn that spiritual knowledge has been actively suppressed and under violent attack for centuries. Tibet is a blatant example in modern times.

You claim to have felt 'chi.' I, myself have quite a few years in the martial arts and can also feel chi. I can also feel Demons. My third eye is open and I also see Demons, and much more. You claim you are a 'Norse Pagan" and 'partial Taoist.' To be a Norse Pagan, you must believe in the Norse Gods. If not, then you are no more than an atheist maybe practicing some Norse magick. If you are truly a Norse Pagan, then what is the difference between the Norse Gods and Demons? Truth be known, many of the Norse Gods are the Demons we here know and interact with. Also, how can one be a 'Partial Taoist'? Please explain this.

Truth be known, Benjamin Franklin was a Satanist.

Your statement right here:
"I am not psychically dull. I am also a practicing Kung Fu artist, and partial Taoist. I understand that regardless of whether or not I can prove that Qi exists, I can feel its effects when I channel it into my arm to slam shut a large door with one hand, whereas normally it would require both hands in a large burst of energy."

This explains our stance concerning Demons. The christian churches and islam have worked relentlessly for centuries to try to frighten people away from Satan and his Demons, prevent any contact with them or any knowledge of them in a positive sense. If you are legitimately interested and psychically competent as you claim to be, you will attempt to experience this for yourself. I also strongly encourage you to read through www.joyofsatan.org to answer more questions.

And, NO, we are not about 'blind faith.' I was an atheist for over 15 years before coming to Satan. I found for myself he is very real, as are his Demons, on my own, beyond all doubt.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

 

[High Priestess Maxine Dietrich]

Most cameras are only able to photograph what can be seen within the visible light spectrum. There are other special cameras that can photograph X-rays and there is Kirlian photography and some more. We basically have five senses and a 'sixth' for those of us who develop this. Can you photograph a sour taste? How about the wind? No, not what the wind might be moving, just the wind itself. How about photographing an odor?

Some of us such as myself have what is called 'synesthesia.' This is the ability to see sounds. Can you photograph your thoughts? Just because something can't be seen on a camera doesn't mean it isn't real or doesn't exist. If you study entomology, insects have a range of vision beyond what humans can see, that extends beyond the visible light spectrum.

Years and years ago, when I was an atheist, I picked up a book on Hell off of a sale table at Barnes & Noble bookstore. I have never been able to remember or locate the title, but the book went through all of the historical accounts of "Hell" and much of the xian concept was debunked and explained. I remember this because I was an athiest at the time. Then, near the end of the book, the author/s went on to add that formal laboratory experiments were conducted in summoning Demons. The results weren't very nice and the people involved were at a loss for an explanation, as they were led to believe Demons did not exist.

After establishing the Joy of Satan website, I was made aware of an incident involving several professional college educated journalists, who for Halloween, thought they would summon a Demon "for kicks." The entire thing began as a funny joke, then shit started to happen. Electrical appliances such as their PC malfunctioned and also went off for no reason, one guy who just "knew all of this was bunk" for the first time felt that something was "watching him" and got real creeped out by it. There were many other things that happened as well, enough to stop all of them from going ahead with the summoning- strange and unexplainable coincidences.

Satan and his Demons are very real. Just because there are people who don't believe in him, that doesn't mean he doesn't exist....


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "NickG" <thegod2929@... wrote:

As for the proof/evidence, again, I'm not asking for some fool to appear on NBC news with a picture of a stereotypical large, red, horned demon emanating electrical pulses standing next to him, I'm simply asking for someone to supply ONE meager, unphotoshopped photo of a demon. If one could do this, I would convert without a second thought, if the photo was valid.
If anywhere should be able to show me proof, I expected the forums of the most popular theistic Satanist church would be the place to go, especially considering I got a reply from the Church leader.

I have read a great deal on the general history and origin of the Joy of Satan and the general oppression of spiritual knowledge, and yes, it is awful and terrible.

Let me explain my religious view. I am a partially-observant Norse Pagan (I can't go around chugging down mugs of ale and felling trees for altars and the like, it's just impractical, and illegal), to the extent that I have a set of lots that I can draw from, and I observe most holidays. I am partially Taoist because I agree with several of the major concepts of Taoism, I don't like the hero-like qualities of the dominant figures of the Taoist faith/philosophy, I prefer to keep it as an internal-styled faith, and thus I am only partial.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@ wrote:



Your first question:
"Why, is it, that no one can produce any evidence of the existence of
demons, if they are unafraid of people when they get to know them?"

What do you deem as "evidence"? You are making a strong statement here, claiming "no one." Where is your proof that NO ONE can produce any evidence? What are you using for your references in order to support this claim?

You have to experience Demons for yourself. The same goes for accessing higher levels of the mind through meditation. This is something one can only really understand by experiencing this for him/herself.

As for the establishment/system, if you would take the time to read through the Joy of Satan website, you would learn that spiritual knowledge has been actively suppressed and under violent attack for centuries. Tibet is a blatant example in modern times.

You claim to have felt 'chi.' I, myself have quite a few years in the martial arts and can also feel chi. I can also feel Demons. My third eye is open and I also see Demons, and much more. You claim you are a 'Norse Pagan" and 'partial Taoist.' To be a Norse Pagan, you must believe in the Norse Gods. If not, then you are no more than an atheist maybe practicing some Norse magick. If you are truly a Norse Pagan, then what is the difference between the Norse Gods and Demons? Truth be known, many of the Norse Gods are the Demons we here know and interact with. Also, how can one be a 'Partial Taoist'? Please explain this.

Truth be known, Benjamin Franklin was a Satanist.

Your statement right here:
"I am not psychically dull. I am also a practicing Kung Fu artist, and partial Taoist. I understand that regardless of whether or not I can prove that Qi exists, I can feel its effects when I channel it into my arm to slam shut a large door with one hand, whereas normally it would require both hands in a large burst of energy."

This explains our stance concerning Demons. The christian churches and islam have worked relentlessly for centuries to try to frighten people away from Satan and his Demons, prevent any contact with them or any knowledge of them in a positive sense. If you are legitimately interested and psychically competent as you claim to be, you will attempt to experience this for yourself. I also strongly encourage you to read through www.joyofsatan.org to answer more questions.

And, NO, we are not about 'blind faith.' I was an atheist for over 15 years before coming to Satan. I found for myself he is very real, as are his Demons, on my own, beyond all doubt.


High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org