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From: Sven <belthazorthemighty@...
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Subject: [Advanced_Meditation] Hatha/Gymnastic q's
Can I add certain gymnastic progressions in with my hatha routine? Such as the planche and other exercises like that?
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From: Sven <belthazorthemighty@...
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Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 10:08:16 PM
Subject: [Advanced_Meditation] Hatha/Gymnastic q's
Can I add certain gymnastic progressions in with my hatha routine? Such as the planche and other exercises like that?
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You can, they just have to be for a purpose aside from athletics. The
planche is a yogic maneuver in fact most gymnastics moves are. However,
you have to learn what the energetic usefulness of the maneuver is, and
it's better that you would do this as it's own yogic series than one that
pre-exist. I would recommend adding extra things to a series like Surya
Namaskar, but doing squats in the effort for strengthening the body
alongside the Muladhara Chakra would be just fine. Don't strain, but
allowing it to be a good workout is no problem as long as you can maintain
concentration on the energetic property of the pose and comfort throughout
the movement.
planche is a yogic maneuver in fact most gymnastics moves are. However,
you have to learn what the energetic usefulness of the maneuver is, and
it's better that you would do this as it's own yogic series than one that
pre-exist. I would recommend adding extra things to a series like Surya
Namaskar, but doing squats in the effort for strengthening the body
alongside the Muladhara Chakra would be just fine. Don't strain, but
allowing it to be a good workout is no problem as long as you can maintain
concentration on the energetic property of the pose and comfort throughout
the movement.
hoodedcobra666
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Its that yoga does not train muscle strength etc. Your yoga programm should be seperate from a muscle or power building programm. Yoga focuses on the Soul and empowering the Vril and opening pathways and requires relaxation, not the slightest tension. Yoga is Female brain activity, lifting etc is Male brain activity.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!
HAIL SATAN!!!!!
Whoa, bout the yoga comment above... highly inaccurate. Yoga movements are
some of the most physically demanding exercises on Earth, and calisthenics
in general is the ultimate strength building activity. Fuck all these
bodybuilders, look at Pavel Tsatsouline, Brooks Kublik, Barstarzz... it's
all calistenics and incorporates a high degree of yogic principles. Yoga is
feminine... there is a specific branch of yoga called yin yoga that is more
feminine. But many yoga series, like Surya Namaskar, are masculine. Hatha
Yoga is means "Yoga of the Sun and Moon", Sun being masculine and Moon
being feminine. So the work of Hatha Yoga is definitely not exclusively
feminine, and most of the series that are known are actually masculine
forms. Just because there is a focus on relaxation doesn't make it
exclusively masculine, and although you are supposed to relax, that is
something that happens working through the tension, not avoiding it. I
guess you have to get some training outside of normal information to learn
about this, but Yoga is definitely not some passive, flimsy activity that
you don't get strong from. If you aren't getting strong, you are probably
messing up, and some of the most powerful yogis I have ever seen were very
physically fit and lean muscular doing nothing but Yoga.
some of the most physically demanding exercises on Earth, and calisthenics
in general is the ultimate strength building activity. Fuck all these
bodybuilders, look at Pavel Tsatsouline, Brooks Kublik, Barstarzz... it's
all calistenics and incorporates a high degree of yogic principles. Yoga is
feminine... there is a specific branch of yoga called yin yoga that is more
feminine. But many yoga series, like Surya Namaskar, are masculine. Hatha
Yoga is means "Yoga of the Sun and Moon", Sun being masculine and Moon
being feminine. So the work of Hatha Yoga is definitely not exclusively
feminine, and most of the series that are known are actually masculine
forms. Just because there is a focus on relaxation doesn't make it
exclusively masculine, and although you are supposed to relax, that is
something that happens working through the tension, not avoiding it. I
guess you have to get some training outside of normal information to learn
about this, but Yoga is definitely not some passive, flimsy activity that
you don't get strong from. If you aren't getting strong, you are probably
messing up, and some of the most powerful yogis I have ever seen were very
physically fit and lean muscular doing nothing but Yoga.
hoodedcobra666
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I think you misunderstood my post.
By Female brain I meant that it requires staying in a trance. Doing tyring exercises that require strength, while you can keep your trance-y state and focus (so you can feel your energy) is again Female brain trance-y activity. If for instance you're doing pullups or something of that nature, its musculine activity, Male brain activity and does not require a trance. Your body gets fixed by yoga, not by applying power, but by applying relaxation.
Power comes as a result that Yoga works on empowering you metagenically, then this manifests in the physical body as strength and vibrant health. There are types of yoga that probably require strength and that sort of thing, but even then, relaxation has to be maintained and not intensity like for instance in lifting, or actual calistenics. You do not enter a trance while doing dumbell rows, or pushups, or calisthenics or not. Therefore I categorized this as Male brain activity.
You have a point definitely, but you misunderstood what I meant.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
By Female brain I meant that it requires staying in a trance. Doing tyring exercises that require strength, while you can keep your trance-y state and focus (so you can feel your energy) is again Female brain trance-y activity. If for instance you're doing pullups or something of that nature, its musculine activity, Male brain activity and does not require a trance. Your body gets fixed by yoga, not by applying power, but by applying relaxation.
Power comes as a result that Yoga works on empowering you metagenically, then this manifests in the physical body as strength and vibrant health. There are types of yoga that probably require strength and that sort of thing, but even then, relaxation has to be maintained and not intensity like for instance in lifting, or actual calistenics. You do not enter a trance while doing dumbell rows, or pushups, or calisthenics or not. Therefore I categorized this as Male brain activity.
You have a point definitely, but you misunderstood what I meant.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
This is the thing. We need to move past the current western materialism which has morphed the purpose of Hatha Yoga. To just weight loss to selling Yoga pants.
The very fact people are mentioning conventional exercise masters in the same light as Hatha yoga is part of the problem.
Hatha is an 8 path system of the union of Soma and Agni. The physical postures within this are ment to be with mantra, banda, pranayama, mundra, dyana and the body becomes the yantra [asana's are also used for transmution exercises]. The postures open up the nadis and energize the lotus centers so a higher amount of Vayu or vital energies can flow through the body. As part of the transformation process. The union is of the soul and the Godhead or the "Second Siva." In the Hatha texts. The point of the Lotus posture is to channel a higher degree of power up the spine.etc Many of the postures are sitting medative ones for such reasons.
Anything the postures do to strenghten the body are within the above context. The greater context. The strenght to do a head stand is required to maintain the posture to activate the upper energy systems. Only. Hatha Yoga will make a person truely healthy by regenerating them and transforming them on the soul level.
This is not a pilates system or some other materialistic nonsense where toned asses and six packs are all that matters. Which sadly is the perception its being arrogantly pursued from, from the very first question. Stupid shit like "Yin Yoga" and "Power Yoga" is part of the problem not the solution.
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From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:57:08 PM
Subject: [Advanced_Meditation] Re: Hatha/Gymnastic q's
I think you misunderstood my post.
By Female brain I meant that it requires staying in a trance. Doing tyring exercises that require strength, while you can keep your trance-y state and focus (so you can feel your energy) is again Female brain trance-y activity. If for instance you're doing pullups or something of that nature, its musculine activity, Male brain activity and does not require a trance. Your body gets fixed by yoga, not by applying power, but by applying relaxation.
Power comes as a result that Yoga works on empowering you metagenically, then this manifests in the physical body as strength and vibrant health. There are types of yoga that probably require strength and that sort of thing, but even then, relaxation has to be maintained and not intensity like for instance in lifting, or actual calistenics. You do not enter a trance while doing dumbell rows, or pushups, or calisthenics or not. Therefore I categorized this as Male brain activity.
You have a point definitely, but you misunderstood what I meant.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
The very fact people are mentioning conventional exercise masters in the same light as Hatha yoga is part of the problem.
Hatha is an 8 path system of the union of Soma and Agni. The physical postures within this are ment to be with mantra, banda, pranayama, mundra, dyana and the body becomes the yantra [asana's are also used for transmution exercises]. The postures open up the nadis and energize the lotus centers so a higher amount of Vayu or vital energies can flow through the body. As part of the transformation process. The union is of the soul and the Godhead or the "Second Siva." In the Hatha texts. The point of the Lotus posture is to channel a higher degree of power up the spine.etc Many of the postures are sitting medative ones for such reasons.
Anything the postures do to strenghten the body are within the above context. The greater context. The strenght to do a head stand is required to maintain the posture to activate the upper energy systems. Only. Hatha Yoga will make a person truely healthy by regenerating them and transforming them on the soul level.
This is not a pilates system or some other materialistic nonsense where toned asses and six packs are all that matters. Which sadly is the perception its being arrogantly pursued from, from the very first question. Stupid shit like "Yin Yoga" and "Power Yoga" is part of the problem not the solution.
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From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:57:08 PM
Subject: [Advanced_Meditation] Re: Hatha/Gymnastic q's
I think you misunderstood my post.
By Female brain I meant that it requires staying in a trance. Doing tyring exercises that require strength, while you can keep your trance-y state and focus (so you can feel your energy) is again Female brain trance-y activity. If for instance you're doing pullups or something of that nature, its musculine activity, Male brain activity and does not require a trance. Your body gets fixed by yoga, not by applying power, but by applying relaxation.
Power comes as a result that Yoga works on empowering you metagenically, then this manifests in the physical body as strength and vibrant health. There are types of yoga that probably require strength and that sort of thing, but even then, relaxation has to be maintained and not intensity like for instance in lifting, or actual calistenics. You do not enter a trance while doing dumbell rows, or pushups, or calisthenics or not. Therefore I categorized this as Male brain activity.
You have a point definitely, but you misunderstood what I meant.
HAIL SATAN!!!!
Wait here, I always tend to enter trances and direct energy when I workout to certain areas making the workouts also feminine and produce more results, an example here is my thumb pushups. Though I agree a bit with hooded cobra, if you do want to make gymnastics part of your yoga stick with the more relaxing holds even if they are difficult to get into such as the manna hold. Also you might be interested in doing workouts where you are constantly in a trance and directing energy as it makes you stronger and allows almost impossible, from the normal person's eyes, feats of strength
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Ok, I wasn't even talking about Power Yoga or anything of that nature, as
power yoga is not even close to attempting to unlock spiritual essence.
That's not even it's goal, so I wouldn't even mention that at all. Yin
Yoga, as I was referring to it, is a form practicing Hatha Yoga that is
specifically targeted at meridian work, it's not even athletically based.
So I don't know exactly what you were talking about there, but Yin Yoga
asanas almost never talk about becoming athletic. Yin is called Yin because
it is a receptive set of asana work, not because of weight loss or anything
of that nature.
What I was saying is that Hatha Yoga, because of it's physically demanding
nature, is going to require some work that most certainly will not be
conducive to a trance. A beginner with Surya Namaskar, even if he or she
does have some athleticism, is going to strain with it the first week or
so. If not, you almost certainly fail to progress, because these asanas
require physical prowess to do them. It even says that the first thing you
do is get comfortable with the exercise, then move on to adding more and
more layers, until you reach the complete perfection.
I don't know how many people have been learning this from anything other
than Western sources, but the problem with yoga is that unless you do have
a legit teacher who has been, and is willing to divulge the totality of the
Yoga Tantra, you are not going to get what is being talked about without
doing A LOT of trial and error work. Like I said, squats, while
calisthenic, are extra good Muladhara workers, and despite whether they
know it or not, many strongmen are that way because they have reflexively
been implementing yogic principles of concentration, pranayama, meridian
power tension, grounding, and chi absorption. I'm not talking about P90X,
Insanity, pilates, or none of that. I'm talking about men who were so
strong, then could pull planes with their hair, men who had strength all
over their body.
Materialistic nonsense? Come on dude, talking about Hatha Yoga, where 90%
of the things you do revolve around perfection through perfecting material
body activities, as if material things is not important is a problem. He
may have actually had a poor reason for implementing it, but quite frankly
with gymnastics, half of those exercises have extremely large degrees of
yogic importance. Just because no one has thought to do it doesn't make it
impossible, and things like Pushups are done in some of the most important
yogic asana series ever devised. So what are you talking about? If the man
made a mistake, help him out with some good info, because there is
something that can help him transform his gymnastics into an entire yogic
work that evolves him on several levels. Talking about arrogance and
"material nonsense" is often done by those who don't know their own
arrogance, especially pointing out something (Yin Yoga) in the very wrong
context. Just sayin
power yoga is not even close to attempting to unlock spiritual essence.
That's not even it's goal, so I wouldn't even mention that at all. Yin
Yoga, as I was referring to it, is a form practicing Hatha Yoga that is
specifically targeted at meridian work, it's not even athletically based.
So I don't know exactly what you were talking about there, but Yin Yoga
asanas almost never talk about becoming athletic. Yin is called Yin because
it is a receptive set of asana work, not because of weight loss or anything
of that nature.
What I was saying is that Hatha Yoga, because of it's physically demanding
nature, is going to require some work that most certainly will not be
conducive to a trance. A beginner with Surya Namaskar, even if he or she
does have some athleticism, is going to strain with it the first week or
so. If not, you almost certainly fail to progress, because these asanas
require physical prowess to do them. It even says that the first thing you
do is get comfortable with the exercise, then move on to adding more and
more layers, until you reach the complete perfection.
I don't know how many people have been learning this from anything other
than Western sources, but the problem with yoga is that unless you do have
a legit teacher who has been, and is willing to divulge the totality of the
Yoga Tantra, you are not going to get what is being talked about without
doing A LOT of trial and error work. Like I said, squats, while
calisthenic, are extra good Muladhara workers, and despite whether they
know it or not, many strongmen are that way because they have reflexively
been implementing yogic principles of concentration, pranayama, meridian
power tension, grounding, and chi absorption. I'm not talking about P90X,
Insanity, pilates, or none of that. I'm talking about men who were so
strong, then could pull planes with their hair, men who had strength all
over their body.
Materialistic nonsense? Come on dude, talking about Hatha Yoga, where 90%
of the things you do revolve around perfection through perfecting material
body activities, as if material things is not important is a problem. He
may have actually had a poor reason for implementing it, but quite frankly
with gymnastics, half of those exercises have extremely large degrees of
yogic importance. Just because no one has thought to do it doesn't make it
impossible, and things like Pushups are done in some of the most important
yogic asana series ever devised. So what are you talking about? If the man
made a mistake, help him out with some good info, because there is
something that can help him transform his gymnastics into an entire yogic
work that evolves him on several levels. Talking about arrogance and
"material nonsense" is often done by those who don't know their own
arrogance, especially pointing out something (Yin Yoga) in the very wrong
context. Just sayin
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Thank you for this response, I was about ready to tear the hair out of my head haha, calisthenics is one of if not the most effective way to workout that I know of.
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From: Enkidu <enoch.abraham1@...
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Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Advanced_Meditation] Re: Hatha/Gymnastic q's
Whoa, bout the yoga comment above... highly inaccurate. Yoga movements are
some of the most physically demanding exercises on Earth, and calisthenics
in general is the ultimate strength building activity. Fuck all these
bodybuilders, look at Pavel Tsatsouline, Brooks Kublik, Barstarzz... it's
all calistenics and incorporates a high degree of yogic principles. Yoga is
feminine... there is a specific branch of yoga called yin yoga that is more
feminine. But many yoga series, like Surya Namaskar, are masculine. Hatha
Yoga is means "Yoga of the Sun and Moon", Sun being masculine and Moon
being feminine. So the work of Hatha Yoga is definitely not exclusively
feminine, and most of the series that are known are actually masculine
forms. Just because there is a focus on relaxation doesn't make it
exclusively masculine, and although you are supposed to relax, that is
something that happens working through the tension, not avoiding it. I
guess you have to get some training outside of normal information to learn
about this, but Yoga is definitely not some passive, flimsy activity that
you don't get strong from. If you aren't getting strong, you are probably
messing up, and some of the most powerful yogis I have ever seen were very
physically fit and lean muscular doing nothing but Yoga.
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From: Enkidu <enoch.abraham1@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Advanced_Meditation] Re: Hatha/Gymnastic q's
Whoa, bout the yoga comment above... highly inaccurate. Yoga movements are
some of the most physically demanding exercises on Earth, and calisthenics
in general is the ultimate strength building activity. Fuck all these
bodybuilders, look at Pavel Tsatsouline, Brooks Kublik, Barstarzz... it's
all calistenics and incorporates a high degree of yogic principles. Yoga is
feminine... there is a specific branch of yoga called yin yoga that is more
feminine. But many yoga series, like Surya Namaskar, are masculine. Hatha
Yoga is means "Yoga of the Sun and Moon", Sun being masculine and Moon
being feminine. So the work of Hatha Yoga is definitely not exclusively
feminine, and most of the series that are known are actually masculine
forms. Just because there is a focus on relaxation doesn't make it
exclusively masculine, and although you are supposed to relax, that is
something that happens working through the tension, not avoiding it. I
guess you have to get some training outside of normal information to learn
about this, but Yoga is definitely not some passive, flimsy activity that
you don't get strong from. If you aren't getting strong, you are probably
messing up, and some of the most powerful yogis I have ever seen were very
physically fit and lean muscular doing nothing but Yoga.
hoodedcobra666
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You do not even perceieve yoga by the eight fold path of Astaroth perspective, and as a greater practice that will change you from the inside out, just by following it. Yoga is not only the Asanas, its a system and what you're doing here is present by products of the New age scum or other types of 'yoga', that are only just asanas or asana like positions, that are far away from the Yoga practice.
I think you again misunderstood what HP Don was trying to write here. Its better to have actual experience with Satanic meditation and how we see Yoga (Based on its True roots) and don't expect us to adhere to any writtings of Yogis or New age etc. Simple because their Yoga practice, no matter what, does not have a final vision of what we are trying to accomplih here. You can be well read and 'schoop' smart but the point is, that for instance, you will not build better muscle because Yoga is physically demanding, but because it will empower you metagenically and this will cause positive changes, like rise in muscle mass, or that thing. I hope now that what we meant was evident, because I meant the same thing.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!
I think you again misunderstood what HP Don was trying to write here. Its better to have actual experience with Satanic meditation and how we see Yoga (Based on its True roots) and don't expect us to adhere to any writtings of Yogis or New age etc. Simple because their Yoga practice, no matter what, does not have a final vision of what we are trying to accomplih here. You can be well read and 'schoop' smart but the point is, that for instance, you will not build better muscle because Yoga is physically demanding, but because it will empower you metagenically and this will cause positive changes, like rise in muscle mass, or that thing. I hope now that what we meant was evident, because I meant the same thing.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!
Note this characters " Enkidu account is - enoch.abraham1@...
How kosher. No wonder he is wasting peoples time with a pushy attitude for silly shit. Yes we understand anyone who disagrees is an asshole Mr.Abraham.
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From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:39:52 PM
Subject: [Advanced_Meditation] Re: Hatha/Gymnastic q's
You do not even perceieve yoga by the eight fold path of Astaroth perspective, and as a greater practice that will change you from the inside out, just by following it. Yoga is not only the Asanas, its a system and what you're doing here is present by products of the New age scum or other types of 'yoga', that are only just asanas or asana like positions, that are far away from the Yoga practice.
I think you again misunderstood what HP Don was trying to write here. Its better to have actual experience with Satanic meditation and how we see Yoga (Based on its True roots) and don't expect us to adhere to any writtings of Yogis or New age etc. Simple because their Yoga practice, no matter what, does not have a final vision of what we are trying to accomplih here. You can be well read and 'schoop' smart but the point is, that for instance, you will not build better muscle because Yoga is physically demanding, but because it will empower you metagenically and this will cause positive changes, like rise in muscle mass, or that thing. I hope now that what we meant was evident, because I meant the same thing.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!
How kosher. No wonder he is wasting peoples time with a pushy attitude for silly shit. Yes we understand anyone who disagrees is an asshole Mr.Abraham.
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From: hoodedcobra666 <hoodedcobra666@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:39:52 PM
Subject: [Advanced_Meditation] Re: Hatha/Gymnastic q's
You do not even perceieve yoga by the eight fold path of Astaroth perspective, and as a greater practice that will change you from the inside out, just by following it. Yoga is not only the Asanas, its a system and what you're doing here is present by products of the New age scum or other types of 'yoga', that are only just asanas or asana like positions, that are far away from the Yoga practice.
I think you again misunderstood what HP Don was trying to write here. Its better to have actual experience with Satanic meditation and how we see Yoga (Based on its True roots) and don't expect us to adhere to any writtings of Yogis or New age etc. Simple because their Yoga practice, no matter what, does not have a final vision of what we are trying to accomplih here. You can be well read and 'schoop' smart but the point is, that for instance, you will not build better muscle because Yoga is physically demanding, but because it will empower you metagenically and this will cause positive changes, like rise in muscle mass, or that thing. I hope now that what we meant was evident, because I meant the same thing.
HAIL SATAN!!!!!
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You talk of the common misconception that yoga is merely asanas and nothing more. For starters, you know there are things like Raja Yoga, Jnana yoga, Bhakti Yoga e.t.c. which have absolutely nothing to do with Asanas or anything physical right?? Look these terms up. Even as it's been said real hatha yoga isn't really anything like that is talked about in the western world. These mostly came from British conquerors who came to india. If you research on real Hatha yoga (which is actually almost the same thing as kundalini yoga) and as taught in Indian esoteric circles it also contain mantras, chakra work and other things.
Seriously, there's no point at all in perpetuating the common myth. As other people said, when we talk about Yoga we mean the ENTIRE EIGHT-FOLD PATH AS IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED HERE:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... SHTAR.html
You'll notice that the Asanas are merely one of the eight parts of this and not the whole thing.
Seriously, there's no point at all in perpetuating the common myth. As other people said, when we talk about Yoga we mean the ENTIRE EIGHT-FOLD PATH AS IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED HERE:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... SHTAR.html
You'll notice that the Asanas are merely one of the eight parts of this and not the whole thing.
Yoga is physically demanding, and you actually progress to more physically
demanding moves as you go on. I'm not saying the goal is becoming
physically fit, I'm saying that is a very important part of it. The idea
that you don't put any demand on yourself, that you are passive and
progress like a snail... that is New Age. The things that are posted in
books is left in the dust as extremely beginner practice, yet they would
have you at this stage gaining little to nothing from the practice. And no
one, absolutely no one, was saying that asana was the only Yoga aspect;
where this idea was coming from is beyond me.
Simply put, I was saying that the idea that asana was supposed to be soft
was outrageous, and not just with Hindu Yoga Asana practice, but Qi Gong
and all other forms of physio-spiritual activity. You gain extremely
advanced forms of mental ability by maintaining focus in these forms, not
by making them soft or easy. You shouldn't be uncomfortable per se, but you
should be working physically, it is part of the process. And as for sitting
meditation, almost none of these are actually static meditations,
especially not beginning. You have to hold Bandha Locks, work with advanced
pranayam, and all sorts of physically demanding work. I'm not saying it is
the only thing, I'm saying it is extremely important.
With the 8-fold path, nothing is considered lesser or more important. Also,
yoga is as much a state of being as it is a set of practices. You can take
your yoga and apply it to your physical work, and in turn that work gets
the abilities that you would get doing more "standard" yoga activity like
meditation. We are talking about real yoga... what is it then. Meditation?
No, that's a tool to work with yoga. Asana? No, that is a yogic tool as
well. Again, how it became all about asana is beyond me, and how people are
equating what is talked about with New Age is beyond me. Yet, I have yet to
hear anyone mention the use of Yoga Nidra, Chakra Dharana, samskara
removal, nyasa... where is the talk of any of this. This is beyond the New
Age, yet it is nowhere to be seen, and I'm still talking about beginner
level work here. There is talk of mantra, but no talk of the elemental
properties of language that allow one to create their own mantra, literally
harnessing any energy necessary to do anything. Where is that? That is
yoga, very real yoga, and if we are talking about excelling beyond New Age,
someone should at least know about that. The Eightfold stuff can be found
anywhere, but yet no one really brings to life the science behind it all.
This is why we can't take calisthenics, despite the fact that 85% of
calisthenics is derived directly from Yoga, and apply our Yoga to it to
make it a complete practice. Instead, folks start talking about and
pointing out New Age flaws, like we need to see more of that. But if you
can't understand how to apply Yoga to other activities that aren't labeled
Yoga, then how far have we really progressed?
I'm just saying, there's been a whole bunch of talk about "The Higher
Paths", as if a particular practice is higher than another. A dude can fart
and reach enlightenment if he does it right, so how is that different that
doing a pushup, which is extremely prevalent in Hatha Yoga Asana practice,
and energizing the chakras that way, which would include focus on Vishuddi
in the plank position at the start, progressing through Anahata to
Manipura, and then back up through this channel to the Vishuddi for each
rep? Simple, effective, and spiritually involved, and will serve the whole
purpose of the exercise far more. But attempting to supersede something
like strength, not muscle tone but strength, when it is necessary... that's
New Age hoopla, and Yoga, despite being a very rich in history, is also
extremely bastardized because of it's popularity, down to roots that most
of us can't surpass without good instruction because Yoga follows an
extremely secretive line of teacher-to-student practice. I'm not saying
that it is a smart thing to do, or even that it is just, but unless you are
receiving that type of tutelage, you are sure to be missing a huge part of
the ideals behind yoga, which mean things that our modern understanding
fails to grasp. The fact that no one has mentioned anything about the
science behind something as basic as Yoga Nidra, which is the platform
consciousness state behind the most transformative yoga practices, is
example of what I mean.
demanding moves as you go on. I'm not saying the goal is becoming
physically fit, I'm saying that is a very important part of it. The idea
that you don't put any demand on yourself, that you are passive and
progress like a snail... that is New Age. The things that are posted in
books is left in the dust as extremely beginner practice, yet they would
have you at this stage gaining little to nothing from the practice. And no
one, absolutely no one, was saying that asana was the only Yoga aspect;
where this idea was coming from is beyond me.
Simply put, I was saying that the idea that asana was supposed to be soft
was outrageous, and not just with Hindu Yoga Asana practice, but Qi Gong
and all other forms of physio-spiritual activity. You gain extremely
advanced forms of mental ability by maintaining focus in these forms, not
by making them soft or easy. You shouldn't be uncomfortable per se, but you
should be working physically, it is part of the process. And as for sitting
meditation, almost none of these are actually static meditations,
especially not beginning. You have to hold Bandha Locks, work with advanced
pranayam, and all sorts of physically demanding work. I'm not saying it is
the only thing, I'm saying it is extremely important.
With the 8-fold path, nothing is considered lesser or more important. Also,
yoga is as much a state of being as it is a set of practices. You can take
your yoga and apply it to your physical work, and in turn that work gets
the abilities that you would get doing more "standard" yoga activity like
meditation. We are talking about real yoga... what is it then. Meditation?
No, that's a tool to work with yoga. Asana? No, that is a yogic tool as
well. Again, how it became all about asana is beyond me, and how people are
equating what is talked about with New Age is beyond me. Yet, I have yet to
hear anyone mention the use of Yoga Nidra, Chakra Dharana, samskara
removal, nyasa... where is the talk of any of this. This is beyond the New
Age, yet it is nowhere to be seen, and I'm still talking about beginner
level work here. There is talk of mantra, but no talk of the elemental
properties of language that allow one to create their own mantra, literally
harnessing any energy necessary to do anything. Where is that? That is
yoga, very real yoga, and if we are talking about excelling beyond New Age,
someone should at least know about that. The Eightfold stuff can be found
anywhere, but yet no one really brings to life the science behind it all.
This is why we can't take calisthenics, despite the fact that 85% of
calisthenics is derived directly from Yoga, and apply our Yoga to it to
make it a complete practice. Instead, folks start talking about and
pointing out New Age flaws, like we need to see more of that. But if you
can't understand how to apply Yoga to other activities that aren't labeled
Yoga, then how far have we really progressed?
I'm just saying, there's been a whole bunch of talk about "The Higher
Paths", as if a particular practice is higher than another. A dude can fart
and reach enlightenment if he does it right, so how is that different that
doing a pushup, which is extremely prevalent in Hatha Yoga Asana practice,
and energizing the chakras that way, which would include focus on Vishuddi
in the plank position at the start, progressing through Anahata to
Manipura, and then back up through this channel to the Vishuddi for each
rep? Simple, effective, and spiritually involved, and will serve the whole
purpose of the exercise far more. But attempting to supersede something
like strength, not muscle tone but strength, when it is necessary... that's
New Age hoopla, and Yoga, despite being a very rich in history, is also
extremely bastardized because of it's popularity, down to roots that most
of us can't surpass without good instruction because Yoga follows an
extremely secretive line of teacher-to-student practice. I'm not saying
that it is a smart thing to do, or even that it is just, but unless you are
receiving that type of tutelage, you are sure to be missing a huge part of
the ideals behind yoga, which mean things that our modern understanding
fails to grasp. The fact that no one has mentioned anything about the
science behind something as basic as Yoga Nidra, which is the platform
consciousness state behind the most transformative yoga practices, is
example of what I mean.
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First off and up front, I am very limited as to time and am not here to have an ongoing argument. I am setting something straight. This is NOT yoga in the way of JoS being yogis. Yoga is a powerful tool for activating, opening and empowering the soul for many psychic abilities and the use of Satanic witchcraft. We are Satanists here; there is a difference.
As for your statement: 'Yoga is physically demanding, and you actually progress to more physically demanding moves as you go on.' This all depends upon HOW you do your asanas and which asanas you choose to include in your personal program. There are many different ways of doing yoga. The main point of doing hatha [physical yoga] in Satanism is for what I already wrote in the above and to keep one's muscles and joints open and relaxed to facilitate the ascension of the serpent of Satan, which is the main goal of Spiritual Satanism.
Your statement below:
'Yet, I have yet to
Also, the new age and other teachings out there that use the concept of 'karma' to enforce and promote their own agendas is a total crock of shit. This is no different from xianity and its ilk, Wicca and other forms of xianized witchcraft. 'Karma' is only cause and effect of certain things we do and dwell on in our lives and does not follow any 'law' or political agenda.
Your statement: 'Age, yet it is nowhere to be seen, and I'm still talking about beginner
Your statement:
'But if you
Your statement: 'so how is that different that
Your statement: 'down to roots that most
elaborate on theories, throw around yogic terms that sound secretive or important and then fail to fully explain these. Those of you who are on the path in this group; that is...the Path to Satan, know what I am writing about here...from experience, NOT theory. Many people here who choose to remain anonymous and quiet already have abilities that would astound you, sir.
High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org
As for your statement: 'Yoga is physically demanding, and you actually progress to more physically demanding moves as you go on.' This all depends upon HOW you do your asanas and which asanas you choose to include in your personal program. There are many different ways of doing yoga. The main point of doing hatha [physical yoga] in Satanism is for what I already wrote in the above and to keep one's muscles and joints open and relaxed to facilitate the ascension of the serpent of Satan, which is the main goal of Spiritual Satanism.
Your statement below:
'Yet, I have yet to
You appear to throw these terms around loosely. Just what exactly do YOU know about them in depth and from your own personal practice? As for Nidra yoga, this has to do with sleep. This is not beginner's yoga and is only an aspect of yoga; not mandatory. Given advancement in this aspect, one can eventually perform certain feats in the dream state, as well as invade the dreams of others. 'Samskara removal' which is a cleaning of the soul of negative so-called 'karma,' comes about on its own, over time and with persistence. This is no different from the effects of yoga and meditation in no longer having the desire for substances such as drugs, alcohol and leaving other addictions behind. Satanis yoga and meditation heal on their own. Satan stated in the Al Jilwah: 'I lead to the straight path without a book.'
Also, the new age and other teachings out there that use the concept of 'karma' to enforce and promote their own agendas is a total crock of shit. This is no different from xianity and its ilk, Wicca and other forms of xianized witchcraft. 'Karma' is only cause and effect of certain things we do and dwell on in our lives and does not follow any 'law' or political agenda.
Your statement: 'Age, yet it is nowhere to be seen, and I'm still talking about beginner
This is NOT beginning level and yes, we do invoke and meditate on the elements. I, myself have used the Sanskrit Kabalah to create my own mantras as has HP Don, who is very knowledgeable concerning this and the seed mantras and origins of many Sanskrit words here. Creating one's own mantras is NOT for beginners.
Your statement:
'But if you
We apply the principles of yoga to uses as I mentioned above, such as empowering and enabling the soul and also witchcraft.
Your statement: 'so how is that different that
So, please explain exactly how this particular focus on the throat, the heart and the solar chakras while performing the plank asana affects the soul. This is only theory. I have a large collection of books on yoga that I have not only read cover to cover for over 40 years, but have also tried and practiced many yoga techniques. You will find that many authors and noted yogis disagree such as Bikram, who has his own method of performing the asanas and his own method of pranyama, and openly disagrees with many other notable instructors; Iyengar, Yogi Bhajan, Hittleman, and many others. They all have their own convictions and methods of performing yoga.
Your statement: 'down to roots that most
You fail to grasp the concepts of Spiritual Satanism. Some of us at the higher levels, HP Don, HoodedCobra [2 people of which I know personally], including myself, receive instruction directly from Satan, in my cases also Lilith. Demons are spiritual guides and in cases as I mentioned here, noted when one such as myself and also HoodedCobra are working on major projects [offline] for the Powers of Hell, we get instruction directly form Satan, himself. From this, we post our knowledge in the groups to help all dedicated Satanists. There are others here, I am sure who also receive instruction from the Top. There are no mediators in Satanism, and if one is doing one's yoga and meditations correctly, within time, one will be able to openly communicate with the Powers of Hell. I am sure that many of you here already know and understand this. Demons instruct those who are on the path. This is what they are for in their relation to humans. There is no need to
elaborate on theories, throw around yogic terms that sound secretive or important and then fail to fully explain these. Those of you who are on the path in this group; that is...the Path to Satan, know what I am writing about here...from experience, NOT theory. Many people here who choose to remain anonymous and quiet already have abilities that would astound you, sir.
High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org
When did I say it was asana or nothing more? Do you know what Yoga Nidra
is? Obviously not, because that is not an asana. Nyasa practice... not
asanas. Samskara removal... not asana. Mantra formulation according to
elemental formula... not asana. I mentioned all these things, and yet
soehow, I am talking only about asana. The thing I said was that asana
practice was supposed to hold all 8 elements in minds, so that the asana
practice was a complete yoga action in itself. I did not say ever that it
was the only thing, I said that it can encompass the whole of this 8-fold
method through proper practice. I mean, did anybody criticizing what I said
actually read what I wrote? When you practice Hatha, which encompasses more
than asana in the first place, you are supposed to carry elements of Raja,
Jnana, and Bhakti as you practice. If you don't incorporate the mind
through Raja, your asana is worthless, nothing more than "Power Yoga". If
you are using Jnana with your Hatha, studying and being intelligent with
it, then your work is also worthless. If you have no devotion or love
through Bhakti, then you will not continue your work and it will never get
done.
What is happening here is that people are viewing things that are supposed
to homogenize as completely separate parts. The fact that you said that
Raja, Jnana, and Bhakti had nothing to do with anything physical makes no
sense, especially since even Western society knows that the power of asana
practice lies in concentration, focus, meditative progression, and
devotion. You can find this out even in a remedial book, that these
elements blend, not contrast. There is definitely more to these than just
the physical, but they have their place just the same in application to
physical acts. Let's not even talk about asanas... you are supposed to
carry these elements with you in your entire life. You should implement
Raja, Jnana, Bhakti, and Hatha into your work, your family life, how you
have fun... everything.
What I simply stated, from the very beginning, was that you can use
gymnastics in a yogic way by incorporating these very principles in there.
I've known about these terms for quite some time... are you really serious?
The fact that people cannot homogenize them is an example of New Age
ignorance, not some enlightened ideal. I also pointed out quite clearly
that gymnastics could not do it alone, and that the gymnastics were best
done as separate works or sets, rather than implemented into a pre-existing
set. They have nothing to do with the physical... your physical work is
useless if you don't incorporate them. So to denounce someone for trying to
apply yoga to gymnastics is not only short-sighted, it can be downright
misleading and false. That's the New Age deception just as much as removing
spirit from asanas and making them pure athletic moves. This is nothing
new, Westerners tout what's being talked about here just as much, and
that's because the West has been fed completely disengaged and haphazard
information that has not been presented in a homogenized manner. So we can
talk about the 8-fold path all we want, but if you can't even get into what
it involves, then who the hell cares? Everyone who has tried to put me on
blast has completely disregarded how gymnastics can be made into yoga, even
though a great deal of gymnastics moves are stripped directly from these
practices. So really, how are you coming at me like this?
It seems I have been misinformed about coming here, I didn't know the
community was like this at large. I respected the information on JOS, but I
also know that it is not the King of information out there on the subject,
if only because it takes a while to write this stuff down. But now I got
folks who don't even seem to try and think about what I said, and certainly
aren't doing a thing to help out Sven. I get hounded for having a Hebrew
upbringing, one that has nothing to do with me right now, but here I am
with a slightly new way of thinking about things (at least to this
community, what I am talking about isn't new to Yoga at all), and I am a
blasphemer... sounds like the some shit that goes on in the mindless,
Christian world that we are supposed to get rid of. I'm done with this
nonsense, y'all have fun doing what it is that you do.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:52 AM, the_fire_starter666 <
the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
is? Obviously not, because that is not an asana. Nyasa practice... not
asanas. Samskara removal... not asana. Mantra formulation according to
elemental formula... not asana. I mentioned all these things, and yet
soehow, I am talking only about asana. The thing I said was that asana
practice was supposed to hold all 8 elements in minds, so that the asana
practice was a complete yoga action in itself. I did not say ever that it
was the only thing, I said that it can encompass the whole of this 8-fold
method through proper practice. I mean, did anybody criticizing what I said
actually read what I wrote? When you practice Hatha, which encompasses more
than asana in the first place, you are supposed to carry elements of Raja,
Jnana, and Bhakti as you practice. If you don't incorporate the mind
through Raja, your asana is worthless, nothing more than "Power Yoga". If
you are using Jnana with your Hatha, studying and being intelligent with
it, then your work is also worthless. If you have no devotion or love
through Bhakti, then you will not continue your work and it will never get
done.
What is happening here is that people are viewing things that are supposed
to homogenize as completely separate parts. The fact that you said that
Raja, Jnana, and Bhakti had nothing to do with anything physical makes no
sense, especially since even Western society knows that the power of asana
practice lies in concentration, focus, meditative progression, and
devotion. You can find this out even in a remedial book, that these
elements blend, not contrast. There is definitely more to these than just
the physical, but they have their place just the same in application to
physical acts. Let's not even talk about asanas... you are supposed to
carry these elements with you in your entire life. You should implement
Raja, Jnana, Bhakti, and Hatha into your work, your family life, how you
have fun... everything.
What I simply stated, from the very beginning, was that you can use
gymnastics in a yogic way by incorporating these very principles in there.
I've known about these terms for quite some time... are you really serious?
The fact that people cannot homogenize them is an example of New Age
ignorance, not some enlightened ideal. I also pointed out quite clearly
that gymnastics could not do it alone, and that the gymnastics were best
done as separate works or sets, rather than implemented into a pre-existing
set. They have nothing to do with the physical... your physical work is
useless if you don't incorporate them. So to denounce someone for trying to
apply yoga to gymnastics is not only short-sighted, it can be downright
misleading and false. That's the New Age deception just as much as removing
spirit from asanas and making them pure athletic moves. This is nothing
new, Westerners tout what's being talked about here just as much, and
that's because the West has been fed completely disengaged and haphazard
information that has not been presented in a homogenized manner. So we can
talk about the 8-fold path all we want, but if you can't even get into what
it involves, then who the hell cares? Everyone who has tried to put me on
blast has completely disregarded how gymnastics can be made into yoga, even
though a great deal of gymnastics moves are stripped directly from these
practices. So really, how are you coming at me like this?
It seems I have been misinformed about coming here, I didn't know the
community was like this at large. I respected the information on JOS, but I
also know that it is not the King of information out there on the subject,
if only because it takes a while to write this stuff down. But now I got
folks who don't even seem to try and think about what I said, and certainly
aren't doing a thing to help out Sven. I get hounded for having a Hebrew
upbringing, one that has nothing to do with me right now, but here I am
with a slightly new way of thinking about things (at least to this
community, what I am talking about isn't new to Yoga at all), and I am a
blasphemer... sounds like the some shit that goes on in the mindless,
Christian world that we are supposed to get rid of. I'm done with this
nonsense, y'all have fun doing what it is that you do.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 12:52 AM, the_fire_starter666 <
the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
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Thank You Hps Maxine
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Thank you hp maxine. I know what you speak of is true i dont go on groups too often but i will say that you are well spoken in your points
