Glorious Victory By Hindus

[sahasrarabliss]

Tina dabi and other SC people are primarily aiming for IAS. They get succeed I don't know why and how. There are Muslims too in Indian administrative services and in police department.
I'm aiming for IAS too. But I'm from OBC.

This thread made me realised there are alot of Indians on JoS. Didn't know that. :mrgreen:

That's ambitious. Glad to know a fellow SS is aiming high. I sincerely hope that you get what you're aiming for. Being an SS, you have the required edge it all takes.

Yeah. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

 

[sahasrarabliss]

Tina dabi and other SC people are primarily aiming for IAS. They get succeed I don't know why and how. There are Muslims too in Indian administrative services and in police department.
I'm aiming for IAS too. But I'm from OBC.

This thread made me realised there are alot of Indians on JoS. Didn't know that. :mrgreen:

That's ambitious. Glad to know a fellow SS is aiming high. I sincerely hope that you get what you're aiming for. Being an SS, you have the required edge it all takes.

Btw, I'm just quoting again because I wanted to ask something. Some advice. There are two services I like, IAS and IFS(Indian foreign service). While ias is a bureaucrat job,maintaing law-order, administration, IFS is a diplomat job.

IAS officers work has regular interferences from illiterate corrupt politicians but very less in IFS. It's like the two has things I want, and also the things I don't want. Both have their pros and cons.

Idk which one to prefer over the other..

 

[sahasrarabliss]

There is a lower caste dalit, untouchable, while untouchablility might have vanished in modern India but this caste people are NEVER Trustworthy. Similar to jews.

Untouchablility may be looked upon as a positive thing from spiritual perspective.

Because, As an advanced being, for one example, you would not want your food to be cooked by a lowly devolved being. Would you?

(I think my post didn't get through, so I'm posting the same again)

First of all, Dalits have nothing similar to jews. Chitpawan Brahmins are jews. Chandals have such tendencies and might be jews. Dalits may have some infiltration (i don't have evidence though) but to say that this group that has a large population is akin to jews, is not correct. Let me ask you how many of them have swindled you, and I will be waiting for an answer. It is just that they're illiterate, very guilible and somehow uncivilised. Easy to control.

There is nothing positive about untouchability. Being socially excluded and avoided, just because of a certain birth caste, is disheartening and breaks one's morale. I would also like to know what is spiritually degrading about these people. They're the people involved in manual scavenging to keep cities clean.

And spirituality is not a cosmetic thing that gets tainted by a mere contact with lower castes or untouchables. Or eating food prepared by them. Stop making this heinous association of untouchability with spirituality. You don't need to be 1000 km away from a dalit in order to reach godhood.

Sanatan Dharma is for every gentile, even for lowest of the lowly ones when they're willing to change their ways. You demonstrate the same stigma I had been talking about in my previous post. I hope you realise that it is an obstacle when it comes to unity of Hindus and promotion of Hindutva.

I didn't notice this post.

We know skin color isn't just plainly skin color. It's more than that.
South Indians have Darker skin, north Indians have fair and wheatish skin. Dravidian in South Indian, Hindu aryans in north.

There is too much mixture of blood in India. You can now even find fair skin men and women in South India. Dark skin men women in north India.

Castes names were destroyed with the coming of 10th sikh guru named Gobind Singh.

He destroyed the surnames of people and labelled them all equal and ONE(the so called ONENESS", with "Singh" surname for men and Kaur for Women.

That destroyed the trace of people's Identity that could be used by people to KNOW their history and where they came from.

This promoted alot of mixture.

The Jatt caste in India, in Punjab province has alot of similarities with the pure white race people. It's been said that they are Scythian...etc

They are fairer, sharp facial features and very tall. Above all, they are the bravest.

Now look at other castes compare them with other general caste people and lower OBC/st/sc caste people.

You see a huge DIFFERENCE. Both in skin ,mentality and thinking pattern and their morals,values.

If not all then each caste in India FEELS very different to me spiritually.

There is an SC/ST caste , called "chamar and chura". They have zero morality. They LIE alot. They are mostly dark skinned people. In my province, it has been well known saying to Never trust them. And it's true.

When I look into their eyes, I feel that filth and disgusting vibe, energy. Why do I feel it? Am I conditioned to feel that way towards them? But I've my own personal childhood experiences with them.

In school time, a mate belonging to this caste, I felt the spiritual weakness of that guy. It felt like they are so servile physically but spiritually mostly

You say they are illiterate so they are easy to control...

Well, one sc/st caste with his family built a two story big house in my area. Guess how he made it possible? With reservation, and he is a government teacher, job given to him through reservation.

But that's the other case, what I wanna say that even after obtaining graduation level of education he is such an immoral man and lies and manipulates fellow people. He is all nice on the outside but disgusting on the inside. This is not just him, every other person of this caste is like that.

Whom do you blame for this???

Caste system can be used in a good way to preserve what is meant to preserve. It helps in avoiding mixing with other bloodlines that are lower and higher spiritually.


You seem to be from ST/SC, if yes then ask yourself this question " Would I marry with a girl/boy from a lower or higher caste than mine?"

You are more likely to marry in the same caste. Due to your instincts. Feelings.

 

[sahasrarabliss]

Abolishing caste system and ending reservation will be very good. But different caste people should be kept in segregation from other castes and avoid mixing with other castes.

 

[sahasrarabliss]

But you even if you are from SC/ST, you give me a different good vibe which is very different than other SC/ST people.

Maybe that's because you are spiritually more evolved than your own caste people and I can be very sure that you have a good sense of morality and justice.

You just don't give me the same negative vibe which I get from other SC/ST people.

And that is good. It's just a reminder for you that you are far better than your own caste people.

 

[MalinBaze]

(I think my post didn't get through, so I'm posting the same again)

First of all, Dalits have nothing similar to jews. Chitpawan Brahmins are jews. Chandals have such tendencies and might be jews. Dalits may have some infiltration (i don't have evidence though) but to say that this group that has a large population is akin to jews, is not correct. Let me ask you how many of them have swindled you, and I will be waiting for an answer. It is just that they're illiterate, very guilible and somehow uncivilised. Easy to control.

There is nothing positive about untouchability. Being socially excluded and avoided, just because of a certain birth caste, is disheartening and breaks one's morale. I would also like to know what is spiritually degrading about these people. They're the people involved in manual scavenging to keep cities clean.

And spirituality is not a cosmetic thing that gets tainted by a mere contact with lower castes or untouchables. Or eating food prepared by them. Stop making this heinous association of untouchability with spirituality. You don't need to be 1000 km away from a dalit in order to reach godhood.

Sanatan Dharma is for every gentile, even for lowest of the lowly ones when they're willing to change their ways. You demonstrate the same stigma I had been talking about in my previous post. I hope you realise that it is an obstacle when it comes to unity of Hindus and promotion of Hindutva.

I didn't notice this post.

We know skin color isn't just plainly skin color. It's more than that.
South Indians have Darker skin, north Indians have fair and wheatish skin. Dravidian in South Indian, Hindu aryans in north.

There is too much mixture of blood in India. You can now even find fair skin men and women in South India. Dark skin men women in north India.

Castes names were destroyed with the coming of 10th sikh guru named Gobind Singh.

He destroyed the surnames of people and labelled them all equal and ONE(the so called ONENESS", with "Singh" surname for men and Kaur for Women.

That destroyed the trace of people's Identity that could be used by people to KNOW their history and where they came from.

This promoted alot of mixture.

The Jatt caste in India, in Punjab province has alot of similarities with the pure white race people. It's been said that they are Scythian...etc

They are fairer, sharp facial features and very tall. Above all, they are the bravest.

What you say is for Punjab. This is not the same with other northern state. The state where I live, people have retained their names. If not, they still carry their identities. Higher castes like Brahmin/Rajput/Lalas/Baniyas don't mix even among themselves, let alone lower castes. Low castes look for low caste marriage candidate, prefereably their own subcaste. Intercaste marriages are very rarely practise. Even my xian relatives, they've married in their own caste.

Now look at other castes compare them with other general caste people and lower OBC/st/sc caste people.

You see a huge DIFFERENCE. Both in skin ,mentality and thinking pattern and their morals,values.

If not all then each caste in India FEELS very different to me spiritually.

I very well agree.

There is an SC/ST caste , called "chamar and chura". They have zero morality. They LIE alot. They are mostly dark skinned people. In my province, it has been well known saying to Never trust them. And it's true.

When I look into their eyes, I feel that filth and disgusting vibe, energy. Why do I feel it? Am I conditioned to feel that way towards them? But I've my own personal childhood experiences with them.

In school time, a mate belonging to this caste, I felt the spiritual weakness of that guy. It felt like they are so servile physically but spiritually mostly

I didn't think I needed to bring this, but for the record, I am a chamar from my father's side, santhal from my mother's side. And you know whom I've been taught not to trust? Musahars. Also these SCs have experienced servitude and outcasting at some point in their previous lives. Probably that's the reason of weak and feeble energy.

You say they are illiterate so they are easy to control...

Well, one sc/st caste with his family built a two story big house in my area. Guess how he made it possible? With reservation, and he is a government teacher, job given to him through reservation.

But that's the other case, what I wanna say that even after obtaining graduation level of education he is such an immoral man and lies and manipulates fellow people. He is all nice on the outside but disgusting on the inside. This is not just him, every other person of this caste is like that.

Whom do you blame for this???

I know of SCs and STs of my community who have earned their honest livelihood. You cannot go around labelling the whole caste as 'liar' without sufficient anecdotes. Baniyas have been called cheaters in their trade. Does that justify? No!

You know that due to the state of the world, the worst natures of races, subraces have manifested.

One distinction is necessary. Scheduled Tribes and Sceduled Caste are very different from each other. I would be specific as to whether the example was of SC or ST.

STs, are in my opinion, honest and guillible. To the point of stupidity, that they sold their precious lands to the cunning traders after they were brainwashed by xian missionaries. Also they like to mind their own business and stay in contact with their people.

About SCs, I understand whatever negative experience you've had with them and I'm sorry for that. I know they have weaknesses, but seeing the their state and incessant violence among them, I'm not surprised that they have so much negativity in them. I again, would say, I'll compare their situation with the blacks, but with their own nuances.

Caste system can be used in a good way to preserve what is meant to preserve. It helps in avoiding mixing with other bloodlines that are lower and higher spiritually.

You seem to be from ST/SC, if yes then ask yourself this question " Would I marry with a girl/boy from a lower or higher caste than mine?"

You are more likely to marry in the same caste. Due to your instincts. Feelings.

I am not against caste system. The caste system should be used to preserve the race. I don't want castes to intermix.

But I have 2 problems.

First: I see no point in segregating each and every subcaste and caste, and telling them to marry among their own caste and subcaste.

Brahmins and Rajputs are both high castes. They have physical features similar to each other and I feel they are very compatible too, but they don't intermix (for reasons). I don't know how many subcastes each of them have.

In SC category, there are also many castes and under them, subcastes.

Is each one supposed to marry within their own subcaste too?

This all sounds too ridiculous if one tries to count how many caste/subcastes are there and honor each of these. Not to speak, race in India is kind of like spectrum.

You have higher end ones, like brahmin, rajputs, jats, (add more)
-then lalas, bania/teli, (insert more)
-OBCs
-towards the end SCs (too many castes, i don't know which to put above or below)

Not forgetting to mention the tribals.

I think we could draw better lines that would remove the neurotic madness of 'intermixing subcastes'. We preserve bloodlines, not the surnames or titles. I brought this up because you were talking about 'lower SCs'.

Second: The definition of untouchability.

When you say you support untouchability, I want to know what you mean.

Traditionally, this word has negative connotations like, avoiding people like they are plagues or have leprosy. Not dining with them or eating food prepared by them. Treating them without any basic respect normally given to a human.

[Additional Note: I don't believe any of the caste is "less spiritual" or "more spiritual" by birth. But yes, they have degrees of "receptivity towards spirituality". Spirituality can be restored back. Nonetheless, fundamental difference is in their blood and their natures.]

 

[MalinBaze]

Abolishing caste system and ending reservation will be very good. But different caste people should be kept in segregation from other castes and avoid mixing with other castes.

I just don't want the 'untouchability' I've talked about to come back in fad.

About segregation, I've toyed around with the idea of geographical segregation, but later I realised it wasn't necessary.

For a reason it is said that caste system cannot be 'totally removed' from India. Yes, there is little to no discrimination, and caste system is virtually non-existent in society. People from different castes interact and communicate, unlike in the past [Living in a city, I have 2 Brahmin friends, and they are very nice folks. They like me for the kind of person I am, and I respect them a lot.).

But they will never forgo their caste identity. In my state I've see this because most, if not all castes, have a community of the same caste people (be it physical or network of people). A community where they are very well received and feel "at home". This becomes more apparent in times of Hindu festivals when people of like-castes come together for celebrations. (even after being fed xian bullshit, most Santhals have stuck to marrying to their own people, rather than a random person from the church clique.)

This community structure, if preserved, along with the introduction of Satanic racial principles, will make people naturally want to stay with their castes for close bonds and marriages.

 

[MalinBaze]

But you even if you are from SC/ST, you give me a different good vibe which is very different than other SC/ST people.

Thank you very much. It means a lot to me. I am just a Spiritual Satanist, like you and everyone else here. And like you and everyone, I wish that with my advancement, I could push my people up the ladder of spiritual evolution and make a difference.

About your IFS/IAS question, I'll have to ask someone else. I'm not very well versed with the complexities of civil services. I just know that they're very respectable posts.

 

[MalinBaze]

For anyone who wants to know who Musahars and Chamars are, they are castes that were traditionally "rat catchers" and "leather workers" in the society, respectively. Churas are the caste who were the "sweepers".

Santhals are one of the many Adivasi (native/indigenous type) tribes that exist in India.

 

[sahasrarabliss]

I didn't think I needed to bring this, but for the record, I am a chamar from my father's side, santhal from my mother's side. And you know whom I've been taught not to trust? Musahars. Also these SCs have experienced servitude and outcasting at some point in their previous lives. Probably that's the reason of weak and feeble energy.

I see. This just blatantly proves that Satan doesn't discriminate on any ground nor do his followers between each other. But only outsiders without Satan are despised by me. Since they are so evil but nowadays majority of the current populace is awakened about jews.

Outsiders are NEVER to be trusted. Learnt that hard way as an SS, I should only promote SS discreetly.

I don't know who are musahars. I've never heard of this caste name before. I'd like to know about this caste. And Santhal? I also never heard about this caste before.

Yeah maybe that's the reason of weak and feeble energy.

And maybe it's not just a caste matter, nowadays people regardless of their caste even higher caste people have this kind of energy I talked about. They do not have a conscience.

So I guess caste discrimination would not exist in a Satanic World because of too many positive reasons.

Moreover discrimination on various grounds arise out of having a different god, different religion, different culture in every state ffs... seriously... A different language in every indian state... sucks! This just pushed discrimination on various levels and grounds...


So I think I was wrong and maybe lower caste doesn't mean the person doesn't have a conscience belonging to that caste in this current animal farm like world.

Majority of people have evil kind of energy emanating...

I know of SCs and STs of my community who have earned their honest livelihood. You cannot go around labelling the whole caste as 'liar' without sufficient anecdotes. Baniyas have been called cheaters in their trade. Does that justify? No!

Agreed. That is correct. I ignored the fact that everyone regardless of their caste lies nowadays.

You know that due to the state of the world, the worst natures of races, subraces have manifested.

Yes yes exactly. That is the ROOT CAUSE of these negative manifestations in them. Were there a Spiritual order, castes would not even be existing I guess? If existed, caste discrimination would not exist. Everyone will be treated with respect.

One distinction is necessary. Scheduled Tribes and Scheduled Caste are very different from each other. I would be specific as to whether the example was of SC or ST.

I didn't know that...anyway ignore my example...I don't even remember what did I write as an example....there are many other factors that shape the individual or a caste/community mentality. These maybe cultural restrictions, discrimination, the way other caste people view them...this can affect.

STs, are in my opinion, honest and guillible. To the point of stupidity, that they sold their precious lands to the cunning traders after they were brainwashed by xian missionaries. Also they like to mind their own business and stay in contact with their people.

Hmm...there was also a friend in my 8th from ST I think, if Valmiki are from ST? I don't know.

He was little fairer than me. He was just fine and normal if we talked about his mentality. But alot of environmental, peer groups, neighborhood,etc contribute much in shaping the individual's mentality... So caste can't just be one primary factor but an another.

About SCs, I understand whatever negative experience you've had with them and I'm sorry for that. I know they have weaknesses, but seeing the their state and incessant violence among them, I'm not surprised that they have so much negativity in them. I again, would say, I'll compare their situation with the blacks, but with their own nuances.

Yeah because of the ages of discrimination, those things can occur in a community.

I am not against caste system. The caste system should be used to preserve the race. I don't want castes to intermix.

But I have 2 problems.

First: I see no point in segregating each and every subcaste and caste, and telling them to marry among their own caste and subcaste.

Brahmins and Rajputs are both high castes. They have physical features similar to each other and I feel they are very compatible too, but they don't intermix (for reasons). I don't know how many subcastes each of them have.

In SC category, there are also many castes and under them, subcastes.

Is each one supposed to marry within their own subcaste too?

Yeah intercaste marriages are rarely seen. Isn't it good? To me it is good for them and for everyone.

I think intercaste marriages between subcastes of each caste do happen with harmony...No?? It is not negative I think ? I can't really say anything about subcastes.

This all sounds too ridiculous if one tries to count how many caste/subcastes are there and honor each of these. Not to speak, race in India is kind of like spectrum.

Yeah I think we leave this caste topic and end it right here.

You have higher end ones, like brahmin, rajputs, jats, (add more)
-then lalas, bania/teli, (insert more)
-OBCs
-towards the end SCs (too many castes, i don't know which to put above or below)

Not forgetting to mention the tribals.

I think we could draw better lines that would remove the neurotic madness of 'intermixing subcastes'. We preserve bloodlines, not the surnames or titles. I brought this up because you were talking about 'lower SCs'.

But surnames could be used to trace the history of a family bloodline and prevents intercaste marriages. For example... throughout centuries...there are people from lower castes who took the surnames of higher caste and thus changing their caste..

This thing still happens to this but maybe rarely.

I think intercaste marriages are less or equally dangerous compared to inter racial marriages or not at all? What do you think? It destroys both higher and lower caste person bloodline... No?? Maybe I'll need to learn more about bloodline concept.

Second: The definition of untouchability.

When you say you support untouchability, I want to know what you mean.

Traditionally, this word has negative connotations like, avoiding people like they are plagues or have leprosy. Not dining with them or eating food prepared by them. Treating them without any basic respect normally given to a human.

Untouchability....I told you I get a different negative vibe from them but it's different from you in a good way. Untouchability...it's not like I'll not handshake with or hug them, that's not a problem....there was someone who said that even handshaking with a different race exchanges something through sweat on their palms. It was FancyMancy who said that :mrgreen: if I remember or I could be wrong.

I read it a year or many months ago on the forums. But here we are talking about different castes people which spiritually feel different to me idk why.....but I would agree with you when you say that some caste people are more or less receptive to spirituality.

I think the dark skinned ST/SC are racially mixed and are half Dravidian and half hindu north Aryans...No???? But we can't really be sure because india has been invaded so many times in history. Some say Indians have Iranian blood so forth things...


But why is it like when general caste people say to end reservation and then the lower caste people defend stating "first end caste discrimination"... And then what happens is a third idiot (government and ministers) takes all the advantages of the fights between these castes people. :mrgreen: then these people just stay displeased and angry at each other.

[Additional Note: I don't believe any of the caste is "less spiritual" or "more spiritual" by birth. But yes, they have degrees of "receptivity towards spirituality". Spirituality can be restored back. Nonetheless, fundamental difference is in their blood and their natures.]

I could believe that, given the fact that it's the individual who is born less or more spiritual due to his past life spiritual work. But what would happen if caste and caste discrimination was erased completely and then there is alot of intercaste marriages... Would that be a negative thing or positive or neutral???

Majority of JoS members are ages old Souls. Very old Souls who have been with Satan in many of their past lives. That includes you too.

 

[sahasrarabliss]

Abolishing caste system and ending reservation will be very good. But different caste people should be kept in segregation from other castes and avoid mixing with other castes.

I just don't want the 'untouchability' I've talked about to come back in fad.

That would not be a problem for me unless there is a spiritual factor supporting untouchability which is good for both lower and higher caste spiritually. If there is not such spiritual factor... untouchability is pointless and futile to me. But I'm not able to support inter caste marriages. Nowadays days alot young people are doing it as much as inter racial marriages.

About segregation, I've toyed around with the idea of geographical segregation, but later I realised it wasn't necessary.

Geographical Segregation of castes?

For a reason it is said that caste system cannot be 'totally removed' from India. Yes, there is little to no discrimination, and caste system is virtually non-existent in society. People from different castes interact and communicate, unlike in the past [Living in a city, I have 2 Brahmin friends, and they are very nice folks. They like me for the kind of person I am, and I respect them a lot.).

But they will never forgo their caste identity. In my state I've see this because most, if not all castes, have a community of the same caste people (be it physical or network of people). A community where they are very well received and feel "at home". This becomes more apparent in times of Hindu festivals when people of like-castes come together for celebrations. (even after being fed xian bullshit, most Santhals have stuck to marrying to their own people, rather than a random person from the church clique.)

Indians are mixed no? Both south indians and north Indians. This created alot of problems and divisions on skin color basis too.

Yea I've read that too and heard caste system can never be erased from indian society. If caste system is based in racial terms...then it is good but the negatives things such as discrimination against lower caste doesn't seem to wither away in this current Indian society. This discrimination is futile and stupid.

This community structure, if preserved, along with the introduction of Satanic racial principles, will make people naturally want to stay with their castes for close bonds and marriages.

I believe so..that would naturally happen.

But you even if you are from SC/ST, you give me a different good vibe which is very different than other SC/ST people.

Thank you very much. It means a lot to me. I am just a Spiritual Satanist, like you and everyone else here. And like you and everyone, I wish that with my advancement, I could push my people up the ladder of spiritual evolution and make a difference.

About your IFS/IAS question, I'll have to ask someone else. I'm not very well versed with the complexities of civil services. I just know that they're very respectable posts.

You'r very much welcome.

Been doing Q/A with an IFS online , she's in ifs service for 5 years. It's amazing how quickly she replies on her blog. Seems like they do get alot of leisure time more than IAS.

Been doing alot of research.....still not able to decide.

I already now know alot about both services.. maybe I'll have to decide it myself now. I hate the regular political interferences in IAS work, whereas there is little to zero political interference in IFS job.

But both lack and have something I'd want and hate. Both have pros and cons.

 

[sahasrarabliss]

I messed the last post with wrong quotes.

 

[MalinBaze]

I am not against caste system. The caste system should be used to preserve the race. I don't want castes to intermix.

But I have 2 problems.

First: I see no point in segregating each and every subcaste and caste, and telling them to marry among their own caste and subcaste.

Brahmins and Rajputs are both high castes. They have physical features similar to each other and I feel they are very compatible too, but they don't intermix (for reasons). I don't know how many subcastes each of them have.

In SC category, there are also many castes and under them, subcastes.

Is each one supposed to marry within their own subcaste too?

Yeah intercaste marriages are rarely seen. Isn't it good? To me it is good for them and for everyone.

I think intercaste marriages between subcastes of each caste do happen with harmony...No?? It is not negative I think ? I can't really say anything about subcastes.

You have higher end ones, like brahmin, rajputs, jats, (add more)
-then lalas, bania/teli, (insert more)
-OBCs
-towards the end SCs (too many castes, i don't know which to put above or below)

Not forgetting to mention the tribals.

I think we could draw better lines that would remove the neurotic madness of 'intermixing subcastes'. We preserve bloodlines, not the surnames or titles. I brought this up because you were talking about 'lower SCs'.

But surnames could be used to trace the history of a family bloodline and prevents intercaste marriages. For example... throughout centuries...there are people from lower castes who took the surnames of higher caste and thus changing their caste..

This thing still happens to this but maybe rarely.

I think intercaste marriages are less or equally dangerous compared to inter racial marriages or not at all? What do you think? It destroys both higher and lower caste person bloodline... No?? Maybe I'll need to learn more about bloodline concept.

I read my own reply and I think I should be clear.

Personally, I don't see a problem when a Brahmin and a (real/fair) Rajput marry.
My reason is that they are very similar to each other in their physical/facial features, colour, and are both of high castes. So I won't really care if Chamars and Musahars intermix (if it's true they don't have much genetic difference).

However, I'll never support intermixing between 2 of considerably far spectrum.
Eg. between an OBC and an SC, an ST/SC marrying a Rajput/Baniya or even between STs and SCs.

When I said focus should be on bloodlines and not titles, I meant different surname doesn't matter. How close their blood and caste is, matters. IMO this is why a Pandey and Singh (Rajput) can marry. And yes, keep the titles and surname intact because it helps the cause.

I hope I'm making sense. I think intermixing harms the fairer race the most, so in this case, the ones on the top: real Brahmins, Rajputs and Baniyas (and not who are just converts). Between OBCs, STs and SCs, it dissolves their characteristics, and therefore detrimental to each one's integrity.

I too will drop the caste topic here because it is too complex to be discussed thoroughly.

Indians are mixed no? Both south indians and north Indians. This created alot of problems and divisions on skin color basis too.

Yea I've read that too and heard caste system can never be erased from indian society. If caste system is based in racial terms...then it is good but the negatives things such as discrimination against lower caste doesn't seem to wither away in this current Indian society. This discrimination is futile and stupid .

I wouldn't call that 'discrimination', but stigma . To tell the truth, I have never been discriminated against my whole life on the basis of caste. In fact, I have zero complaints against higher caste people reagarding this.

There is very little, if not zero discrimination, in urban and developed settings. If rural areas have this problem, it will vanish as soon as infrastructure development picks up the pace there. The stigma related to lower castes would be removed, if Hindutva gains a firm ground. A single Hindu identity will make peace between castes.

I think the dark skinned ST/SC are racially mixed and are half Dravidian and half hindu north Aryans...No???? But we can't really be sure because india has been invaded so many times in history. Some say Indians have Iranian blood so forth things...

I'm not sure about this. We can't confirm without a scientific evidence, preferably genetics-based.

But why is it like when general caste people say to end reservation and then the lower caste people defend stating "first end caste discrimination"... And then what happens is a third idiot (government and ministers) takes all the advantages of the fights between these castes people. :mrgreen: then these people just stay displeased and angry at each other.

Jack did a nice job at explaining in his post to this thread.

Caste discrimination, pertaining to unjust practise like, being treated as outcast due to caste, not being allowed to own lands, enter temples, drink from wells... these don't exist. You and I, we all know that. Like, an Upadhyay and I have equal rights and same opportunities, regardless of our caste. We drink from same municipality-supplied water source and live as neighbours in an apartment. The constitution and judiciary of India has made it clear, and it is honored.

Stigma is something else that'll go away with time as well. I have high hopes for that.

Now there are many that are aggressively selling the idea of "Brahmin supremacy" and "Higher caste's atrocities on lower caste".

Some are from corrupt leaders and politicians that do nothing substantial, except to use castes as vote banks and make money out of them.

Rest are from the more malicious (((organised groups))). They keep these false ideas alive and then inflate it WAYY out of proportion, claiming it exists even today. They attack Hindutva, claiming that it is a part of "hidden agenda" of high castes to restore the old oppressive heirarchy of caste system. They attack RSS, claim that it wants to take militant action against pisslamists and support caste-based discrimination (both of which are totally false).

[My father watches these marxist-communist propaganda outlets (disguised as "youtube channels") and believes them, but fails to answer when I ask him as to how he gets to work in the same office with a Choudhary and is paid the same salary as him.]

These types of propaganda are attractive to lower castes because it gives them an excuse to remain poor, lazy and keep a defeatist attitude, which annoys me a lot. Also they get to blame everything on higher castes and in the process, bullshit themselves: "because they took our lands", "because they have power", "because they treated us unfairly" blah blah. (I'm keeping poverty aside, because it can come to anyone). If they start being brutally honest with themselves, they'll see that the only thing that's holding them down, is they themselves!

Eg. my father repeats that Brahmins have all the wealth, but he could save enough money from his decent salary and buy a land. Others have done this [Hell, an ST GNM nurse working at a private hospital, with a salary half of his, and being the sole earner of her family, built a house with savings!]. He just doesn't and wastes money, but keeps on blaming high castes.

If these ((news outlets)) spewed the truth, the lower castes would realise no discrimination exists. What exists now is just nepotism, poverty and the power of bribes. But they don't stop painting high castes, esp. Brahmins, as offenders.

There ARE tensions between castes due to differences of opinion, such as on topic of beef. But tensions are not just restricted between high-low castes. I've heard of separate incidences in rural areas where there are strifes amongst castes, especially between higher ones (for territorial disputes).

[One instance I was told by a professor, a Brahmin, where she said in one of her relative's villages, there was such great friction between two jatis (both high) that no layman would stay outside after 10. Groups of gun-armed men from both parties would roam in their fields, catch hold of such person and ask: "which jati you belong to?". If he gave the wrong answer (the opposite jati), he'd be screwed. If he'd give the right answer (ie. the jati of the armed men), they would let him be.]

All that aside, if someone comes and says "Lower castes are oppressed by the higher castes", they're lying.

 

[MalinBaze]

About segregation, I've toyed around with the idea of geographical segregation, but later I realised it wasn't necessary.

Geographical Segregation of castes?

Yeah. Something like, higher castes living in the northern states and lower castes living in southern states and so on. But then this gives rise to whole another list of problems, you can very well imagine which ones.

Nowadays days alot young people are doing it as much as inter racial marriages.

I've noticed this as well, and I hate it. And this is why....

But what would happen if caste and caste discrimination was erased completely and then there is alot of intercaste marriages... Would that be a negative thing or positive or neutral???

If discrimination is taken with the following meaning "recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another", then this discrimination should exist and stay. This one: " the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people" , is useless and should be discarded. Completely erasing caste system will lead to absence of ANY recognised difference between the castes, and you can see this will be very negative. This can happen if the commies come to power.

Moreover discrimination on various grounds arise out of having a different god, different religion, different culture in every state ffs... seriously... A different language in every indian state... sucks! This just pushed discrimination on various levels and grounds...

That's why, isn't the idea of "Akhand Bharat" nice? This is why it is so appealing. Yeah everytime I go from one state to another, I notice stark differences in culture. I love it, but at the same time I dislike it due to inconveniences xD.
I'd like to know if we can have a real spoken common language (aka official language) in our country or even if it's needed. Because Hindi is not liked by most of the states who have their own distinct language/s. If we were to go for Sanskrit, the issue for Tamil would arise. Our country does have very unique sets of challenges to face and solve.

 

[sahasrarabliss]

About segregation, I've toyed around with the idea of geographical segregation, but later I realised it wasn't necessary.

Geographical Segregation of castes?

Yeah. Something like, higher castes living in the northern states and lower castes living in southern states and so on. But then this gives rise to whole another list of problems, you can very well imagine which ones.

Yeah I had thought about this too but problems will arise Because of this. I had even thought about third gender geography segregation. Because..birds of same feather flock together. I mean.. it's good to have third gender geographical segregation... A whole city. But
problems will arise here too along with social problems.

Nowadays days alot young people are doing it as much as inter racial marriages.

I've noticed this as well, and I hate it. And this is why....

But what would happen if caste and caste discrimination was erased completely and then there is alot of intercaste marriages... Would that be a negative thing or positive or neutral???

If discrimination is taken with the following meaning "recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another", then this discrimination should exist and stay. This one: " the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people" , is useless and should be discarded. Completely erasing caste system will lead to absence of ANY recognised difference between the castes, and you can see this will be very negative. This can happen if the commies come to power.

Yeah right.

Moreover discrimination on various grounds arise out of having a different god, different religion, different culture in every state ffs... seriously... A different language in every indian state... sucks! This just pushed discrimination on various levels and grounds...

That's why, isn't the idea of "Akhand Bharat" nice? This is why it is so appealing. Yeah everytime I go from one state to another, I notice stark differences in culture. I love it, but at the same time I dislike it due to inconveniences xD.
I'd like to know if we can have a real spoken common language (aka official language) in our country or even if it's needed. Because Hindi is not liked by most of the states who have their own distinct language/s. If we were to go for Sanskrit, the issue for Tamil would arise. Our country does have very unique sets of challenges to face and solve.

Idk what's akhand bharat. Seen in the news. Haven't yet read about it.


And I came here to actually discuss about UPSC.

Please read this , just skim through it, you will understand.

http://tsanewindia.blogspot.com/2011/12/mother-of-corruption-union-public.html

So, I wanted to ask what to do now... It is really demotivating.