forced to do 12 step AA meetings another branch of christianity i be

[Greg]

I am kinda hesitant about staying sober in the first place because all i hear at the meetings is god god god, its seriously a branch of rhp.
i have to attend 4 a week and after the meeting i feel exaushted and pissed off only to come home to 2 kikes, its the only place i can afford to leave and if i break the 6 month lease i loose 1200. Im looking on craigs list for housing options that i can afford, but like i said im out money if i leave before 6 months, 1 down fuckin 5 to go. ANY SUGGESTIONS

 

[[email protected]]

why don't you debate the people at the meeting, I normally indirectly mention Satanism. You can't blatantly say your a Satanist or mention Satanism because people would tune out and not listen... but you can debate them, to most you might come off as atheist, which is fine just as long as you know who and what you are. You don't just have to sit there, sometimes it's better but you can't be silent forever

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Greg" <vaughangreg@... wrote:

I am kinda hesitant about staying sober in the first place because all i hear at the meetings is god god god, its seriously a branch of rhp.
i have to attend 4 a week and after the meeting i feel exaushted and pissed off only to come home to 2 kikes, its the only place i can afford to leave and if i break the 6 month lease i loose 1200. Im looking on craigs list for housing options that i can afford, but like i said im out money if i leave before 6 months, 1 down fuckin 5 to go. ANY SUGGESTIONS

 

[enemyofjezzuz]

I wonder if you could do any meditations to cast grey energy on the
kikes. They can't piss you off if they are sick in the hospital from
some mysterious disease they don't know how they picked up, or wasting
their time and money going from doctor to doctor who won't know what's
going on. Or, if they lose their jobs and get forced to move out early
or get evicted for non-payment of their rents due to loss of jobs or big
medical bills.


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "viking813@..."
<mohawkedmanson@... wrote:

why don't you debate the people at the meeting, I normally indirectly

mention Satanism. You can't blatantly say your a Satanist or mention
Satanism because people would tune out and not listen... but you can
debate them, to most you might come off as atheist, which is fine just
as long as you know who and what you are. You don't just have to sit
there, sometimes it's better but you can't be silent forever

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Greg" vaughangreg@ wrote:

I am kinda hesitant about staying sober in the first place because

all i hear at the meetings is god god god, its seriously a branch of
rhp.

i have to attend 4 a week and after the meeting i feel exaushted and

pissed off only to come home to 2 kikes, its the only place i can afford
to leave and if i break the 6 month lease i loose 1200. Im looking on
craigs list for housing options that i can afford, but like i said im
out money if i leave before 6 months, 1 down fuckin 5 to go. ANY
SUGGESTIONS

 

[Hot Guy]

i like i said never been 2 a clean and sober house but have been to rehab 4 drinking issues before

but

one thing i do know about recovery somewhat is there is this sobriety type prayer

i forget how it goes but i think i remember it being somewhat right hand path-ish

some recovery places rehab wise (in or outpatient), and perhaps even your living environment for all i know have stuff posted for recovery but it may be right hand path oriented.

or at least the rehab place i went to once was like that.  it had posters and other stuff around the place to do with recovery but had rhp stuff advertising recovery if u get my drift.

if you want to decorate i suppose you could as long as you do not make it too obvious.

for example:

most people do not know what fathers sigil is as well as looks like so you may be able to draw that and put a few of those around.

also rather than say a baphomet pendant you could find something like oh say an ankh necklace if you are looking into getting jewelry of any kind.

so yes i do understand that allot of recovery processes and procedures/proceedings are rhp based.

just try to be not obvious and draw attention 2 yourself

remember

SILENCE IS GOLDEN

do not tell people anything unless you are forced to do so.  
i had 2 at one time but that was cuz i was being kicked out of my previos residence and the thing on adult family homes is technically you don't own them you just live in them and pay rent to the people that live there.

also there is the chance that if you do tell people about your satanism and if they do believe you they could call you crazy or have you commited or lord only knows what

society today is indeed THAT CRUEL

From: "viking813@..." <mohawkedmanson@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:50 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: forced to do 12 step AA meetings another branch of christianity i believe..

  why don't you debate the people at the meeting, I normally indirectly mention Satanism. You can't blatantly say your a Satanist or mention Satanism because people would tune out and not listen... but you can debate them, to most you might come off as atheist, which is fine just as long as you know who and what you are. You don't just have to sit there, sometimes it's better but you can't be silent forever

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Greg" <vaughangreg@... wrote:

I am kinda hesitant about staying sober in the first place because all i hear at the meetings is god god god, its seriously a branch of rhp.
i have to attend 4 a week and after the meeting i feel exaushted and pissed off only to come home to 2 kikes, its the only place i can afford to leave and if i break the 6 month lease i loose 1200. Im looking on craigs list for housing options that i can afford, but like i said im out money if i leave before 6 months, 1 down fuckin 5 to go. ANY SUGGESTIONS

 

[Paul Pseudonym]

When I was freshly SS (five to six months deep) I had live in a six month recovery home to get on my feet again after getting out of prison for a DUI. Here's what I learned. I'm going to spew a little anger and hate as I hate hate hate hate AA.

What is now known as Alcoholics Anonymous is a failed religion created by Bill W. and Dr. Bob. While the religion failed they noticed that they all stayed sober upon going to this group so they kept going on that premise.

They only have ONE doctor in their "big book" (kind of like a buy bull) who says it's a good idea. That is only one "reasonable" (the guy is most likely a quack but I haven't done any research on him) source that says AA is a good idea.

After making 90 meetings in 90 days (AA Membership) AA fails over 40% of people in the first year. That doesn't include the people that are in and out because they keep using. In fact statistically 95% of people that sit down in an AA meeting leave and quit AA in the first year. This means the success rate of AA is below 5% where as the rate of spontaneous remission of drug/alcohol addiction is 5%. This means people in AA are doing WORSE than the general population.

AA is built on this idea of powerlessness but you're able to make it each day not drinking by using... NEGATIVE POWER?! NO! You're own will power.

AA is a disgusting, binding force on gentiles, programming souls that are rebuilding after drug and alcohol addiction to FAIL. It is gross and should be stopped!

I digress.

I would try to find someone to take over my lease on CL and just stay strong in the fact you're moving. Keep telling yourself every day you leave, come home or are having a bad time "In a healthy, safe way for me I am moving into a healthy and happy place that is perfect for me in every way." It works quicker than you'd think.

I also did a 40 day working to get out of the 6 month program I was in and was out on day 30 of the working. I used the rune ANSUZ.

Hail Satan!

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Greg" <vaughangreg@... wrote:

I am kinda hesitant about staying sober in the first place because all i hear at the meetings is god god god, its seriously a branch of rhp.
i have to attend 4 a week and after the meeting i feel exaushted and pissed off only to come home to 2 kikes, its the only place i can afford to leave and if i break the 6 month lease i loose 1200. Im looking on craigs list for housing options that i can afford, but like i said im out money if i leave before 6 months, 1 down fuckin 5 to go. ANY SUGGESTIONS

 

[Greg Vaughan]

okay ty for the suggestions, i normally do share in them, latley its just been a pissing contest for who spits AA knowlege in there own words best.

 

[Hot Guy]

like i said if it anything like rehab then AA and other stuff like it is naturaly full of rhp BULLSHIT.

that much i do know

From: Greg Vaughan <vaughangreg@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:01 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: forced to do 12 step AA meetings another branch of christianity i believe..

  okay ty for the suggestions, i normally do share in them, latley its just been a pissing contest for who spits AA knowlege in there own words best.

 

[Jason Noyes]

try a nondenominational/ multifaith meeting.  a glbt meeting should be good. 
From: Greg <vaughangreg@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:56 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] forced to do 12 step AA meetings another branch of christianity i believe..

  I am kinda hesitant about staying sober in the first place because all i hear at the meetings is god god god, its seriously a branch of rhp.
i have to attend 4 a week and after the meeting i feel exaushted and pissed off only to come home to 2 kikes, its the only place i can afford to leave and if i break the 6 month lease i loose 1200. Im looking on craigs list for housing options that i can afford, but like i said im out money if i leave before 6 months, 1 down fuckin 5 to go. ANY SUGGESTIONS

 

[Rip_SFrancois]

Oh there is no doubt that AA is atleast somewhat an indoctrination centre for RHP religions.
In a second I shall show you part of the "12 steps" of AA and you'll all immediately see what this is.
<ol>[*]We admitted we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become unmanageable.</li>[*]Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.</li>[*]Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.</li>[*]Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.</li>[*]Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.</li>[*]Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.</li>[*]Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.</li></ol>Now what do you notice from some of these steps?I notice the word: POWERLESS (This is the 1st step)
Powerless is basically saying you have no control, It is anti self empowerment, so yes this is RHP from the off.Number 2 makes me think, yes Father Satan can help us but it is ourselves that actually empower ourselves, Father Satan and his Demons are guides, he cannot help those who are unwilling to help themselves.
So yeah, basically what they say is YOU NEED TO admit that you're powerless over your addiction before you can get better and to pray to God.Some people can quit addictions easily, it's all about self empowerment and how strong your character is. I've personally quit smoking just by saying "no more" and then never smoked again after that. Self empowerment is the key to success, not submission.

Source of 12 Steps: http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/?PageID=56Thats a UK site but the US steps are exactly the same.
Hail Father Satan!

From: "viking813@..." <mohawkedmanson@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sunday, 16 September 2012, 12:50
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: forced to do 12 step AA meetings another branch of christianity i believe..

  why don't you debate the people at the meeting, I normally indirectly mention Satanism. You can't blatantly say your a Satanist or mention Satanism because people would tune out and not listen... but you can debate them, to most you might come off as atheist, which is fine just as long as you know who and what you are. You don't just have to sit there, sometimes it's better but you can't be silent forever

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Greg" <vaughangreg@... wrote:

I am kinda hesitant about staying sober in the first place because all i hear at the meetings is god god god, its seriously a branch of rhp.
i have to attend 4 a week and after the meeting i feel exaushted and pissed off only to come home to 2 kikes, its the only place i can afford to leave and if i break the 6 month lease i loose 1200. Im looking on craigs list for housing options that i can afford, but like i said im out money if i leave before 6 months, 1 down fuckin 5 to go. ANY SUGGESTIONS

 

[Brian Gibbons]

<td val[/IMG]I had a great sponsor when I got clean and sober in 95 that told me"the purpose for going to meetings is to learn to live away from them"Great advice I would say.I have been clean and sober 16 years and stopped going to meetings 5 years ago.I agree with everything you said but I never used the xtian god to get clean and sober I used the pagan ones.Maybe that's why it worked for me.


Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android [/TD]

From: Paul Pseudonym <paulpseudonym@...;
To: <[email protected];
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: forced to do 12 step AA meetings another branch of christianity i believe..
Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2012 5:02:35 PM

<td val[/IMG]   When I was freshly SS (five to six months deep) I had live in a six month recovery home to get on my feet again after getting out of prison for a DUI. Here's what I learned. I'm going to spew a little anger and hate as I hate hate hate hate AA.

What is now known as Alcoholics Anonymous is a failed religion created by Bill W. and Dr. Bob. While the religion failed they noticed that they all stayed sober upon going to this group so they kept going on that premise.

They only have ONE doctor in their "big book" (kind of like a buy bull) who says it's a good idea. That is only one "reasonable" (the guy is most likely a quack but I haven't done any research on him) source that says AA is a good idea.

After making 90 meetings in 90 days (AA Membership) AA fails over 40% of people in the first year. That doesn't include the people that are in and out because they keep using. In fact statistically 95% of people that sit down in an AA meeting leave and quit AA in the first year. This means the success rate of AA is below 5% where as the rate of spontaneous remission of drug/alcohol addiction is 5%. This means people in AA are doing WORSE than the general population.

AA is built on this idea of powerlessness but you're able to make it each day not drinking by using... NEGATIVE POWER?! NO! You're own will power.

AA is a disgusting, binding force on gentiles, programming souls that are rebuilding after drug and alcohol addiction to FAIL. It is gross and should be stopped!

I digress.

I would try to find someone to take over my lease on CL and just stay strong in the fact you're moving. Keep telling yourself every day you leave, come home or are having a bad time "In a healthy, safe way for me I am moving into a healthy and happy place that is perfect for me in every way." It works quicker than you'd think.

I also did a 40 day working to get out of the 6 month program I was in and was out on day 30 of the working. I used the rune ANSUZ.

Hail Satan!

--- [/IMG][email protected], "Greg" <vaughangreg@... wrote:

I am kinda hesitant about staying sober in the first place because all i hear at the meetings is god god god, its seriously a branch of rhp.
i have to attend 4 a week and after the meeting i feel exaushted and pissed off only to come home to 2 kikes, its the only place i can afford to leave and if i break the 6 month lease i loose 1200. Im looking on craigs list for housing options that i can afford, but like i said im out money if i leave before 6 months, 1 down fuckin 5 to go. ANY SUGGESTIONS

[/TD]

 

[Hot Guy]

i still think that allot of sobriety programs for alcohol recovery and other stuff that allot of it is either rhp based or has rhp posters and other things in the location of the recovery area.

or at least that was my experience when i went to rehab for my drinking.

although back then i had not much interest in satanism

well actually thats not 100% true

i was thinking of getting into it then but my past drinking issues put everything important in my life aside at the time which was a bad thing.

so truth is if i never had drinking issues in the past i may have been interested in satanism allot sooner than when i actually started and even been dedicated allot sooner than i did.

point i am making is alcohol and drugs do ruin peoples lives.

From: Brian Gibbons <briangibbons20@...
To: "JoyofSatan666@yahoogroups com" <[email protected]; "paulpseudonym@..." <paulpseudonym@...
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: forced to do 12 step AA meetings another branch of christianity i believe..

 

<td val[/IMG]I had a great sponsor when I got clean and sober in 95 that told me"the purpose for going to meetings is to learn to live away from them"Great advice I would say.I have been clean and sober 16 years and stopped going to meetings 5 years ago.I agree with everything you said but I never used the xtian god to get clean and sober I used the pagan ones.Maybe that's why it worked for me.


Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android [/TD]

From: Paul Pseudonym <paulpseudonym@...;
To: <[email protected];
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: forced to do 12 step AA meetings another branch of christianity i believe..
Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2012 5:02:35 PM

<td val[/IMG]   When I was freshly SS (five to six months deep) I had live in a six month recovery home to get on my feet again after getting out of prison for a DUI. Here's what I learned. I'm going to spew a little anger and hate as I hate hate hate hate AA.

What is now known as Alcoholics Anonymous is a failed religion created by Bill W. and Dr. Bob. While the religion failed they noticed that they all stayed sober upon going to this group so they kept going on that premise.

They only have ONE doctor in their "big book" (kind of like a buy bull) who says it's a good idea. That is only one "reasonable" (the guy is most likely a quack but I haven't done any research on him) source that says AA is a good idea.

After making 90 meetings in 90 days (AA Membership) AA fails over 40% of people in the first year. That doesn't include the people that are in and out because they keep using. In fact statistically 95% of people that sit down in an AA meeting leave and quit AA in the first year. This means the success rate of AA is below 5% where as the rate of spontaneous remission of drug/alcohol addiction is 5%. This means people in AA are doing WORSE than the general population.

AA is built on this idea of powerlessness but you're able to make it each day not drinking by using... NEGATIVE POWER?! NO! You're own will power.

AA is a disgusting, binding force on gentiles, programming souls that are rebuilding after drug and alcohol addiction to FAIL. It is gross and should be stopped!

I digress.

I would try to find someone to take over my lease on CL and just stay strong in the fact you're moving. Keep telling yourself every day you leave, come home or are having a bad time "In a healthy, safe way for me I am moving into a healthy and happy place that is perfect for me in every way." It works quicker than you'd think.

I also did a 40 day working to get out of the 6 month program I was in and was out on day 30 of the working. I used the rune ANSUZ.

Hail Satan!

--- [/IMG][email protected], "Greg" <vaughangreg@... wrote:

I am kinda hesitant about staying sober in the first place because all i hear at the meetings is god god god, its seriously a branch of rhp.
i have to attend 4 a week and after the meeting i feel exaushted and pissed off only to come home to 2 kikes, its the only place i can afford to leave and if i break the 6 month lease i loose 1200. Im looking on craigs list for housing options that i can afford, but like i said im out money if i leave before 6 months, 1 down fuckin 5 to go. ANY SUGGESTIONS

[/TD]

 

[Greg Vaughan]

Yeah i agree completley powerlessness the way they state it is like were weak maybe in the sense that ive become habitual in my ways and have become an addict but i have close to a month clean now, i wouldnt say i have addiction beat but being powerless that mind set is kinda like enforced in the meetings and they all believe it..another thing alot of the meetings close with the "lords" prair straight from the "bible" its rediculous i understand that realizing addiction is a problem and taking steps to fix it are nessesary but my higher power will always be Satan, and it seems that the meetings litterally consume ppls lives and thoughts completeley they state that all beings are fear based and all of my actions in life are because of fear which i do not believe they state that anger towards other ppl is worthy of a resentment sheet and holding onto things in life that bother me will lead me to use, basically this is how my sponsor states it okay basically the main goal of a  resentment sheet is "for you to realize the reason you have a problem with the person is your own fault and you acted outa fear cause your a piece of shit addict". To me that seems obsurd.  Im still on step 4 for that reason i dont wanna do a resentment sheet but the Soper living house i am at forces you to have a sponsor.  Btw one of you metioned dedication and me having fears of cutting myself, ive done the dedications ritual close to 8 months ago ive never succesfully summoned any demons i dont believe im in tune enough astrally, But that will come with time.  Another thing this year especially has had a slew of films blashamizing demons, and super natural phenomenon, i belive kikes are getting desperate

 

[Hot Guy]

well if you wanna talk movies yes there have been a few in theaters this year that are totally a big dis to father satan.

i think one of them was called "the Devil inside"? or something like that i believe and at the time there were a few different messages in the group on the topic of that movie and how bad it is a dis to Satan.  i btw i think started at least one of those topics at the time. the topic had something along the subject title of:

WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as far as sobriety programs go i had no idea they force you to get a sponsor there.  when i was in rehab they made that an option but they never forced me to do that.  but then i guess it depends on what kind of sober living type program/situation you are in i suppose.

allot of recovery programs unfortunately have allot of RHP BULLSHIT in it.  the rehab place i was in had various posters and such and i forget but i think it had a few buybull's lying around.  some of the posters there btw some where in spanish.  i do not speak it myself but some residence there at the time did as well as one of the staff in the mornings there was spanish speaking i think.

but you could tell the posters were RHP in nature as even though they were not in english they had various bible stuff at the bottom of them.  

such as genesis number this and that
luke and john number this and that and whatnot

get the picture here???

point here is i do not think there are any programs for sobriety and recovery that are not full of rhp BS.

which sucks and i am sorry to say but it is the sad reality of the situation.

just look into astral temples and seeing if you can put your stuff in a place away from your own dwelling.

that is one other thing here.

use your hand rather than an actual knife for now id say.

many people do and its kinda pointless to buy a knife if they do not let you keep one in there.

also i wanna ask you something

like a rehab inpatient recovery place do they at clean and sober houses search your things there when you come in the house and do they do random room and area searches in areas of the house???



From: Greg Vaughan <vaughangreg@...
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: forced to do 12 step AA meetings another branch of christianity i believe..

  Yeah i agree completley powerlessness the way they state it is like were weak maybe in the sense that ive become habitual in my ways and have become an addict but i have close to a month clean now, i wouldnt say i have addiction beat but being powerless that mind set is kinda like enforced in the meetings and they all believe it..another thing alot of the meetings close with the "lords" prair straight from the "bible" its rediculous i understand that realizing addiction is a problem and taking steps to fix it are nessesary but my higher power will always be Satan, and it seems that the meetings litterally consume ppls lives and thoughts completeley they state that all beings are fear based and all of my actions in life are because of fear which i do not believe they state that anger towards other ppl is worthy of a resentment sheet and holding onto things in life that bother me will lead me to use, basically this is how my sponsor states it okay basically the main goal of a  resentment sheet is "for you to realize the reason you have a problem with the person is your own fault and you acted outa fear cause your a piece of shit addict". To me that seems obsurd.  Im still on step 4 for that reason i dont wanna do a resentment sheet but the Soper living house i am at forces you to have a sponsor.  Btw one of you metioned dedication and me having fears of cutting myself, ive done the dedications ritual close to 8 months ago ive never succesfully summoned any demons i dont believe im in tune enough astrally, But that will come with time.  Another thing this year especially has had a slew of films blashamizing demons, and super natural phenomenon, i belive kikes are getting desperate