Fate or free will?

[DarkAries]

Does all of us have a prewritten fate, even in just fragments, but we fulfil? Or there is no fate at all, and everyone do by their free will?

If there is fate(the one I prefer) then we all was fated to join under Satan's flag and fight ahainst our enemy. All in the previous lifes, and every future life our fate will be to find Satan, in a way or another, then continue the fight, the training, and perfecting ourself. If this is truly fate, then there is very littke free will. Our freedom is about what the Emerald Herald said in Dark Souls 2: "Proceed. Thats the only choice you have left". This case our free will is limited to follow our fate, or go against it.

 

[AFODO]

Look into the subject of Astrology.

Yes our life can be predicted very accurately by higher beings, meaning that it is "pre-written", fated.
There are a ton of Fated events in our life such as death, being the biggest one, but it is possible to alter our fate with magic.

A simple Aura of Protection can be considered as Fate altering because than other forces acting upon you other than the Planets.

Look at it, as the planets omitting a kind of energy, and as they change their position, these energies act differently. When you born, the current placements of the planets "burn in" your soul (or your soul was that way already, as people born when the planets is compatible with their energy) and as the planets move, they "Conflict" with your energies, animating life.

As this can be calculated, how they will act on you at any point in life (with the science of Astrology), an outsiders life is fated. There is still a little free will in terms of thinking and very little details.
As soon as we direct energy to a goal, there is not only the planets acting on us anymore, which means we altered our fate.

 

[nebu]

yes, destiny exists, free will is an illusion, and i am referring exclusively to the gigantic majority of people, who are not practitioners of spiritual activities.

they are people with no prediction of their real lives, it is brutal.

have questions?
look for the most fucked up people you know, or the luckiest ones, look at the astral chart and notice that everything conspired very well for success, or failure, and maybe it even kept them there, without anything threatening that something would take them out of their positions.

if you interpret a random map and there are clearly many positions regarding being antisocial and with financial areas indicating a lot of negativity, it is a sentence to that soul until the end of life, nothing will change.
simple.

that's why, in a sadistic and sad way, i even laugh at people swearing that they will help others in disastrous situations.
it's comical, no one other than herself with power, discipline and a lot of dedication, would be able to know what it's like to live, not survive.

freedom only exists with SATAN using his donations to us.
(and it's hard to even do it right.)

FREEDOM.

 

[Henu the Great]

Determinism and indeterminism are both true. The ratio of these two depends on how much one puts spiritual effort into raising above the predetermined path.

 

[CrimsonMonarch]

It's a mix and match. On one hand we have a given set of cards. Namely the natal chart, among other natural inclinations. The game of life also has a set of rules, but these are not strict like a game of poker. That is, you can play your cards in myriads of ways, or you can decide which to play at given times. But with Spirituality, we can somewhat bend the rules, or even change our cards, maybe make our cards better so that they suck less. The only beings that oversee this game, are the Gods. They know what is going to happen, and they can stack the odds in your favor, thus changing the game for you. A bit of a forced analogy, but it captures more or less what I want to say.

I honestly don't believe in a fate set in stone. It would imply that we have no free will whatsoever. And I doubt the Gods would create these perfect being and then say "well they are not going to have autonomy per se, we will decide their ends for them lmao".

At the same time, we can't change ourselves to such a degree that we become completely different human beings. There is only so much one can do in a lifetime.

Also, it's a bit curious. If we accept my perspective, there is a peculiar case. Imagine one has the choice to start a working, which might lead to Result A let's say, or do another different working that might lead to Result B. If we have free will, the Gods wouldn't be able to predict what we'd choose with 100% certainty, because we can do whatever. But they can, therefore it would imply that since the choice is known beforehand, there is no free will. Seems like I'm forced to accept an extreme here...

 

[WiseDragon]

Does all of us have a prewritten fate, even in just fragments, but we fulfil? Or there is no fate at all, and everyone do by their free will?

If there is fate(the one I prefer) then we all was fated to join under Satan's flag and fight ahainst our enemy. All in the previous lifes, and every future life our fate will be to find Satan, in a way or another, then continue the fight, the training, and perfecting ourself. If this is truly fate, then there is very littke free will. Our freedom is about what the Emerald Herald said in Dark Souls 2: "Proceed. Thats the only choice you have left". This case our free will is limited to follow our fate, or go against it.

Some events are fated, many are really not. Most events can be avoided or changed when one seriously puts an effort into spirituality. When you do it, you raise yourself on a higher frequency, you raise above these influences like HP Cobra says.

The average person basically has almost no free will. Number one because of the planets and number two because they are constantly programmed by the jewish matrix. But even a small percentage of them can influence their karma and destiny with sheer will. I've read this on a book of a very good palmist/hand reader, some extremely determined individuals manage to change the course of their destiny and their whole life changes. This is very rare, since it takes a very strong will which very few people have and also a certain degree of intelligence/awareness. The fact is that your karma can also be influenced with your everyday actions, not only with Meditation/Magick and if you decide to have a free will, you will have it, but it takes effort and awareness.

As a Satanist you definitely have a free will and your personal choices have influenced your life way more than you might think. Life is not a movie, it's very chaotic and random, we always want to feel special and the ones with the special destiny and with the cool story, but life is just what it is in my opinion, it's both consequential and random and even if we always want to attribue some very deep meaning to every aspect of it, sometimes it's really not there, life is just what it is. I'm more of a rational kind of guy and not a poetc or idealistic person at all, so take this last part as my opinion not as a fact. I'm sure some of the others here will have a different view.

 

[DarkAries]

Also, it's a bit curious. If we accept my perspective, there is a peculiar case. Imagine one has the choice to start a working, which might lead to Result A let's say, or do another different working that might lead to Result B. If we have free will, the Gods wouldn't be able to predict what we'd choose with 100% certainty, because we can do whatever. But they can, therefore it would imply that since the choice is known beforehand, there is no free will. Seems like I'm forced to accept an extreme here...

Exactly where I stucked
I never looked "fated" and "destined" as something you must oney, rather a prediction that likely to happen. For example if someone have great talent for drawing, a lot of creativity and always practice, he usually become an artist, sooner or later. We can call it as fate, or just willpower.

 

[DarkAries]

Maybe free will truly the previledge of the strong and the expectional, while the herd doomed to live without it(excuse me for writing nietzscien style).

Of course it really depend what you meant by freedom. Big acts have consecquences, and you cant be "free" from them. Total freedom would mean you can do anything and be anything, even if it doesnt make sense.

But these are some really interesting ideas... In that sense my fate would be to die already, two times before, yet I went against it...

 

[DarkAries]

This is by FAR the best philosophyical conversation I had

 

[CrimsonMonarch]

This is by FAR the best philosophyical conversation I had

I can feel ya on this one. I honestly want to hear some opinions from members that have more experience with Spirituality, a JoS Guardian or High Priest/Priestess.

Maybe free will truly the previledge of the strong and the expectional, while the herd doomed to live without it(excuse me for writing nietzscien style).

Of course it really depend what you meant by freedom. Big acts have consecquences, and you cant be "free" from them. Total freedom would mean you can do anything and be anything, even if it doesnt make sense.

But these are some really interesting ideas... In that sense my fate would be to die already, two times before, yet I went against it...

This would imply that the strong still can't escape fate because they were fated to be "free" due to their strength. In a way you'd be saying they were "sentenced to being free".

Freedom, for me, is being as close as you can to your honest and best self in day to day life. It doesn't have to be a big action.

Another theory, which would sidestep philosophy altogether, would be to just accept multiple timelines and simply theorize that for every decision you take, a new timeline forms, creating a tree of all the possible permutations of lives you could've ever lived had you changed a decision. This theory would imply free will, since you can choose anything, and the Gods would only be able to predict your future because they know the timeline you're in at any given time, and they could also see all other possibilities you had. This is just fun speculation, though.

 

[phi3.14infinity]

Look into the subject of Astrology.

Yes our life can be predicted very accurately by higher beings, meaning that it is "pre-written", fated.
There are a ton of Fated events in our life such as death, being the biggest one, but it is possible to alter our fate with magic.

A simple Aura of Protection can be considered as Fate altering because than other forces acting upon you other than the Planets.

Look at it, as the planets omitting a kind of energy, and as they change their position, these energies act differently. When you born, the current placements of the planets "burn in" your soul (or your soul was that way already, as people born when the planets is compatible with their energy) and as the planets move, they "Conflict" with your energies, animating life.

As this can be calculated, how they will act on you at any point in life (with the science of Astrology), an outsiders life is fated. There is still a little free will in terms of thinking and very little details.
As soon as we direct energy to a goal, there is not only the planets acting on us anymore, which means we altered our fate.

Besides planets what are the other forces??

 

[phi3.14infinity]

Some events are fated, many are really not. Most events can be avoided or changed when one seriously puts an effort into spirituality. When you do it, you raise yourself on a higher frequency, you raise above these influences like HP Cobra says.

The average person basically has almost no free will. Number one because of the planets and number two because they are constantly programmed by the jewish matrix. But even a small percentage of them can influence their karma and destiny with sheer will. I've read this on a book of a very good palmist/hand reader, some extremely determined individuals manage to change the course of their destiny and their whole life changes. This is very rare, since it takes a very strong will which very few people have and also a certain degree of intelligence/awareness. The fact is that your karma can also be influenced with your everyday actions, not only with Meditation/Magick and if you decide to have a free will, you will have it, but it takes effort and awareness.

As a Satanist you definitely have a free will and your personal choices have influenced your life way more than you might think. Life is not a movie, it's very chaotic and random, we always want to feel special and the ones with the special destiny and with the cool story, but life is just what it is in my opinion, it's both consequential and random and even if we always want to attribue some very deep meaning to every aspect of it, sometimes it's really not there, life is just what it is. I'm more of a rational kind of guy and not a poetc or idealistic person at all, so take this last part as my opinion not as a fact. I'm sure some of the others here will have a different view.

Exactly ,an average person who has 0 spirituality has absolute control over one's free will ..only a dedicated satanist who is disciplined can change their life

 

[Havoc]

I believe in determination to an extent, that we have a fate that is written for us that we can unconsciously drift into and a higher purpose a destiny that we can fulfill if we rise to the occasion and manifest our highest possibility.

Hitler was fated fight in the First World War were he was injured and could and remained crippled for life, but he refused to let his body give up, that was destiny. Perhaps he was fated to be an artist but for whatever reason destiny called him to to lead mankind to its freedom and while he suffered a great setback braking free from occupation is never a straight forward struggle, in history meany nations had to be defeated and face harsh retaliation multiple times before winning freedom.

 

[AFODO]

Maybe free will truly the previledge of the strong and the expectional, while the herd doomed to live without it(excuse me for writing nietzscien style).

Of course it really depend what you meant by freedom. Big acts have consecquences, and you cant be "free" from them. Total freedom would mean you can do anything and be anything, even if it doesnt make sense.

But these are some really interesting ideas... In that sense my fate would be to die already, two times before, yet I went against it...

You probably did not meant to die if you haven't.

Death, the actual death that the God knows when will happen is insanely hard to conquer. We can say that we can only conquer it with tremendous help from the Gods, and tremendous personal efforts.

In close death cases, it is most likely that the person had a good transit, that brought luck.

3+ Years of meditation is not enough for this, and neither "free will/ fighting" is.
HPS Maxine seen her death in front of her eyes, after around 10 years of advancing (plus she had past life advancement), and Satan needed to alter her fate for this not to happen.

 

[AFODO]

Besides planets what are the other forces??

The Gods, the enemy: magic/curses, parents'-, national-, racial-karma, will, etc.

 

[phi3.14infinity]

You probably did not meant to die if you haven't.

Death, the actual death that the God knows when will happen is insanely hard to conquer. We can say that we can only conquer it with tremendous help from the Gods, and tremendous personal efforts.

In close death cases, it is most likely that the person had a good transit, that brought luck.

3+ Years of meditation is not enough for this, and neither "free will/ fighting" is.
HPS Maxine seen her death in front of her eyes, after around 10 years of advancing (plus she had past life advancement), and Satan needed to alter her fate for this not to happen.

So how many hours of meditation everyday should one do to alter death time ??

 

[DarkAries]

Death, the actual death that the God knows when will happen is insanely hard to conquer. We can say that we can only conquer it with tremendous help from the Gods, and tremendous personal efforts.

So, it would mean the date of any of us death is prewitten, basically fated when to die.
It means there isfate in some way, but you can overwrite it with enough power and knowledge.
It means free will is something you have to fight for, and very hard to earn it.
Basically free will is the ability and power to change our fate.

 

[Henu the Great]

So how many hours of meditation everyday should one do to alter death time ??

If we say any number of hours, would you believe it?

In reality, there is no such number to be given because our paths are individual, and as such only Gods can truly know if you can reach such heights.

 

[phi3.14infinity]

If we say any number of hours, would you believe it?

In reality, there is no such number to be given because our paths are individual, and as such only Gods can truly know if you can reach such heights.

Do u do some 4 hours everyday??

 

[AFODO]

Basically free will is the ability and power to change our fate.

Yes, we can say that.

Do u do some 4 hours everyday??

Most of us does not have that much of a time for their spiritual stuff, even if they could meditate that much.
Meditate as much as it feels comfortable. You don't need to meditate for 4 hours, and logically very few of us do that.
If your days are busy, maybe you'll be able to meditate for 1 hours only and that's fine.

Our life is constantly changing, maybe you'll have decades where you could meditate for that much, maybe you'll have years where you almost have no time to meditate. And if you are in that situation, you can do a working to earn free time.

Also, even if you can't overcome your fated death, that is still not bad. Your soul is much more powerful and cleaner now, you have protection and everything. In your next life, you will probably get an even more beautiful and healthier body. You can even re-earn your memories from this life, so it's like if you would continue where you left off like nothing happened.

 

[WiseDragon]

Do u do some 4 hours everyday??

Don't worry about it. Focus on yourself. As long as you are being consistent and you are making progress you're good. It's extremely important that you have a program that allows you to be consistent in the long run, meditating 7 hours a day for a month and then quitting would be useless.

 

[Henu the Great]

Do u do some 4 hours everyday??

I don't know what others do. I am not currently spending four hours a day, but in I have in the past. However, none of what we do matters. What matters is that you are on a steady path continously improving.

 

[Goldxaura]

Does all of us have a prewritten fate, even in just fragments, but we fulfil? Or there is no fate at all, and everyone do by their free will?

If there is fate(the one I prefer) then we all was fated to join under Satan's flag and fight ahainst our enemy. All in the previous lifes, and every future life our fate will be to find Satan, in a way or another, then continue the fight, the training, and perfecting ourself. If this is truly fate, then there is very littke free will. Our freedom is about what the Emerald Herald said in Dark Souls 2: "Proceed. Thats the only choice you have left". This case our free will is limited to follow our fate, or go against it.

Both destiny and applied free will everyday. Through free will done on a constant basis, one makes destiny.