during the standard ritual, is it okay to say the enochian keys in english, or is mandatory to say them in enochian?

[Lovethyfather]

hey folks,
(basically the question is in the title lol) but,
just wanted to clarify, for the standard rituals, can we say the Enochian keys in english, or is it a must to say them in Enochian? im not confident with my enochian, and im afraid to mess it up.
Thanks and Hail Satan!

 

[Pyralis]

To be blunt, no, it's not okay to say them in English. Just do the best you can with your Enochian, the intent matters more than perfect pronunciation.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

It has been outed in the past that the Enochian keys are written in a fake language, made up. They have been rewritten (they were blasphemous).

The keys are not necessary for the standard ritual (nor for any rituals of blessings of props).

And I am pretty sure just using the english version is fine.

See these comments:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58048&p=257211&hilit=enochian+angel+magic#p257211

https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=344402#p344402

Esp this one:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43476&p=187074&hilit=enochian+angel+magic#p187074

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

To be blunt, no, it's not okay to say them in English. Just do the best you can with your Enochian, the intent matters more than perfect pronunciation.

This is wrong. The prayer and communication to the gods is the most important thing, and this communication is strongest when it is truly felt and understood by yourself in the clearest and most effective way. For people who speak multiple languages, the language that is most effective to use is the one that you are most comfortable and fluent with.

Also enochian is a fictional language that was invented by some christian monk. It is meaningless and powerless. The power of the enochian keys does not come from this strange language that one guy invented, but this power that is felt comes directly from the gods as they are being contacted and prayed to. This same effect will be felt no matter what language is used.

 

[Aquarius]

The power in those Enochian keys is in the fact that we are praising the Gods, but the alphabet in itself has no power. Languages that have power are Sanskrit and Ancient Greek. You can also praise the Gods in English and it will generally have the same effect as in Enochian.

 

[Pyralis]

To be blunt, no, it's not okay to say them in English. Just do the best you can with your Enochian, the intent matters more than perfect pronunciation.

This is wrong. The prayer and communication to the gods is the most important thing, and this communication is strongest when it is truly felt and understood by yourself in the clearest and most effective way. For people who speak multiple languages, the language that is most effective to use is the one that you are most comfortable and fluent with.

Also enochian is a fictional language that was invented by some christian monk. It is meaningless and powerless. The power of the enochian keys does not come from this strange language that one guy invented, but this power that is felt comes directly from the gods as they are being contacted and prayed to. This same effect will be felt no matter what language is used.

I was unaware, I stand corrected.

 

[Gearshift]

While Enochian is useless despite our usage of it.

For example you use it by vibrating in short, monotone the Enochian. And then you recite the English words to program the energy. Spiritual Language + Conceptual Language to mold reality.

The 19th key is the most important as it acts like Akasha or Red Energy in a hate/anger ritual. It pumps you up kinda like Lilith's Vu/Va/Vo meditation or Tetragrammaton precursor meditations to pump up FATSJD or any other ritual we do.

So 19th Enochian vibration + English programming then use the other keys.

Anyways the Enochian is pointless and useless at this point and the technology probably worked more for our beliefs and energy we put in then an actual real life language. Think of it like a video game language invented like Starcraft and the Protoss or Elder Scrolls series.

Some have stated it's the pre-RTR because it caused changes and ripples into reality to change. In fact one Enochian key puts out the words 42 where it states woe!. So it's possible the key attacks the 42 Names of God. But certainly not like the MRTR 42NoG and FATSJD.

At this point Enochian keys are more of a historical bygone era whereby we used them with around 2,000 people pumping out into reality. Humble beginnings for Joy of Satan in a manner of speaking.

Simply historical at this point for posterity and not censuring or trashing our old information. Even though JoS has a lot of outdated information, it's comforting to know it's been preserved for nearly nearly 22 years now since 2002.