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Why do they show the planets on the same circle?  Why not show them in relationship to their proper orbits around the Sun, so you can see WTF is going on with them?  And loose the apparently pointless symmetry lines in the middle and the redundant degrees/minutes numbers on the chart?
See Attached Chart.
 
The natal chart is cast for the person here on earth, so it shows the planets in relations to us on earth, not around the Sun. The natal chart is a map of the soul, not a diagram of the solar system.

As for seeing "WTF is going on with them", it is shown. Clearly.

Regarding the "pointless symmetry lines", they are not pointless. Hence why they are there. Some systems do use slightly different aspect orbs so the astrologer has to manually calculate them, but loosing the lines is detrimental.

The degrees and minutes are also very important.

Complaining about correct systems and ways of it all being shown is not the way to go about learning astrology.


---In [email protected], <magnum.arcanum@... wrote :

Why do they show the planets on the same circle?  Why not show them in relationship to their proper orbits around the Sun, so you can see WTF is going on with them?  And loose the apparently pointless symmetry lines in the middle and the redundant degrees/minutes numbers on the chart?
See Attached Chart.
 
% Lydia

I know that the natal chart is a map of the soul and not a diagram of the solar system.  I understand the difference between astrological planets and astronomical planets.  The astrological planets are inside of us and are part of our being.  The astronomical planets are some fucking rocks.  It’s nice that you jumped to the conclusion that I didn’t understand shit right away.  If I didn’t know that, I wouldn’t be here doing this.  Next, time don’t jump to genius conclusions.  I have enough geniuses in my life.
  The natal chart is cast for a person here on earth.  No shit.
It shows the planets in relationship to us on earth, not around the Sun.  Again, I know that.
You mean, natal charts are not heliocentric or sun centered, they are geocentric or earth centered.  Therefore the center of the natal chart is where earth would be if someone decided to put it on the chart.  The Sun revolves around the earth in a circular orbit, while the planets revolve around the Sun in a circular orbit around the Sun (not the earth).  So the orbits of the planets travel around in the signs based on these orbits.  How the hell is that not relevant?  Being able to see these orbital paths would tell someone where the planets have been and where they are going, in addition to where they are fixed.
 
Maybe I like complaining about sifting through bullshit to get at the truth that has been corrupted and fucked over.  Maybe WTF is the only word I know how to say. 

Complaining about correct systems and ways of it all being shown is not the way to go about learning astrology.  Yes, I admit your right about that one, but I don’t give a shit if it’s right or not.
So, WTF.  I’m learning this either with or without your consent, either way is OK with me.  WTF…WTF…WTF…
 
Calm down..

Lets use the moon as an example.. the moon circles around the earth and is in a different sign every few days. Seen from the earth it'd be in a different constellation every ... days. I guess you know what a constellation is. (I mean Aries, Taurus, Scorpio, Libra - I mess up what goes where really bad)

Now if you have another planet, like mars, you look from the earth at mars. What constellation would that be in?
(what would be in the background?)




I am not quite sure if this helped anything at all in explaining this.. just I understood that every constellation (hell I am not even 100% sure this is the right word) has a different type of energy.  
 
You jumped to conclusions thinking I jumped to conclusions, when all I did was answer your questions based on how you presented them.

What I was trying to get at, about your comment on the orbital path not being shown, is that since the Sun appears to us here on earth to move through the constellations in order (Aries Taurus Gemini etc), and since all the planets revolve around the Sun, then all planets move in that order: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, and so on. Hence my comment on how the natal chart, the circle, is a map. The planets don't go from Taurus to Capricorn to Libra, they go in order. Counterclockwise. Unless retrograde for brief periods, then they go backwards.

The planets had been in the previous sign, and they are going into the next sign.

But this was so basic I didn't think it needed explaining. Everybody knows the order of the Sun signs in astrology, and everybody knows that all of the planets revolve around the Sun. I assumed you could add 1+1 to get 2.

So, it is clear that I did not jump to conclusions thinking you "didn't understand shit", if anything I assumed the opposite.

As for sifting through bullshit, only the astrology info online is corrupted, but the explanations about the natal chart and everything is all there.

And a tip: maybe try not being rude and childish to someone who took time out of their day to help you. You can count on the fact that I will not bother to assist you again, based on your childish response and ending with "WTF WTF WTF".

Also, it's "@", not "%". You are directing you comment AT (@) the person, not assigning a percentage (%) to them.




---In [email protected], <magnum.arcanum@... wrote :

% Lydia

I know that the natal chart is a map of the soul and not a diagram of the solar system.  I understand the difference between astrological planets and astronomical planets.  The astrological planets are inside of us and are part of our being.  The astronomical planets are some fucking rocks.  It’s nice that you jumped to the conclusion that I didn’t understand shit right away.  If I didn’t know that, I wouldn’t be here doing this.  Next, time don’t jump to genius conclusions.  I have enough geniuses in my life.
  The natal chart is cast for a person here on earth.  No shit.
It shows the planets in relationship to us on earth, not around the Sun.  Again, I know that.
You mean, natal charts are not heliocentric or sun centered, they are geocentric or earth centered.  Therefore the center of the natal chart is where earth would be if someone decided to put it on the chart.  The Sun revolves around the earth in a circular orbit, while the planets revolve around the Sun in a circular orbit around the Sun (not the earth).  So the orbits of the planets travel around in the signs based on these orbits.  How the hell is that not relevant?  Being able to see these orbital paths would tell someone where the planets have been and where they are going, in addition to where they are fixed.
 
Maybe I like complaining about sifting through bullshit to get at the truth that has been corrupted and fucked over.  Maybe WTF is the only word I know how to say. 

Complaining about correct systems and ways of it all being shown is not the way to go about learning astrology.  Yes, I admit your right about that one, but I don’t give a shit if it’s right or not.
So, WTF.  I’m learning this either with or without your consent, either way is OK with me.  WTF…WTF…WTF…
 
Sorry.  All I heard was, "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm a genius".

Don't help me again.  Thank you.
 
Magnum you're being extremely rude and disrespectful. Lydia took time out of her day to answer your questions, and you were just an asshole in response. She is a HIGHLY respected member, very intelligent, and knows more about astrology than most any of us. If you're gonna ask for help, how about you actually listen to the advice rather than being an abrasive asshole? Don't ask for help if you aren't willing to accept it.
On Oct 15, 2016, at 05:48, magnum.arcanum@... [JoS_Astrology] <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url] wrote:
  Sorry.  All I heard was, "blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I'm a genius".

Don't help me again.  Thank you.
 
Actually, magnum.arcanum, it is YOU who have been an asshole with inferiority complex.

Lydia helped you, assuming you know, instead of treating you as if you didn't - and yet you dare to be loud-mouthed? You'd better watch your mouth - older members are to be respected, not treated like shit. And not because they are older, but because they KNOW.

You have been kicked from the e-groups once - with such attitude, it can happen AGAIN.

HS!
HAIL VOLAC!
88!
 
Magnum no need for this. Just chill out.

What Lydia explains is correct in that what she said. No need to go crazy.

By the way, the Astrology is NOT Astronomy. So the layout is different. The apex of comparing is the person and the date of birth, not the sun (like in astronomy and general science).

If you want to see the relationships of the planets on the sky (without an apex of the birth of a human being) there are many applications for phones, books, and many other places to check this.

Astrology shows the influences of the planets with the individual at the center. The degrees on the sky only tie in. Its not Astronomy.

Studying can be confusing to the point of anger sometimes, and akin that when one goes to a class, they can be pissed off at their teacher or peers. So chill and learn, we all are.

-High Priest Hooded Cobra 666
 
@lydia can you recommend any books, to help us study? I know the basics about astrology. But when i read more in depth on the site i get really confused. I have a bit of a learning disability too.If you could steer me in the right direction.

On Friday, 14 October 2016, 6:47, "lydia_666@... [JoS_Astrology]" <[email protected] wrote:


  The natal chart is cast for the person here on earth, so it shows the planets in relations to us on earth, not around the Sun. The natal chart is a map of the soul, not a diagram of the solar system.

As for seeing "WTF is going on with them", it is shown. Clearly.

Regarding the "pointless symmetry lines", they are not pointless. Hence why they are there. Some systems do use slightly different aspect orbs so the astrologer has to manually calculate them, but loosing the lines is detrimental.

The degrees and minutes are also very important.

Complaining about correct systems and ways of it all being shown is not the way to go about learning astrology.


---In [email protected], <magnum.arcanum@... wrote :

Why do they show the planets on the same circle?  Why not show them in relationship to their proper orbits around the Sun, so you can see WTF is going on with them?  And loose the apparently pointless symmetry lines in the middle and the redundant degrees/minutes numbers on the chart?
See Attached Chart.


 
@victor markos, there are books in the "files" section of this group that may help you out.

@..., do a Banishing Ritual every day and build a very strong aura of protection. Both of those will keep enemy entities from making your life miserable. You can also visualize Satanic electric-blue fire filling your room/house to banish a malicious entity.
Banishing Ritual http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... shing.html   Satanic Electric-Blue Fire (The picture is towards the middle of the page) http://astralartsofthegods.weebly.com/extras.html

You can use SURYAE, ALGIZ, BERKANO, SOWILO (SAULO is the more powerful version), SATANAS, solar energy, or some other method to strengthen your aura of protection. I recommend you use all of the above if you can. A very strong aura of protection will make your life much easier as you will be protected against bad luck, accidents, disease, horrible people, physical or psychic attack, and other misfortune.   How to Clean Your Aura http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... aning.html   Aura of Protection http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ction.html   Meditation for Protection http://josministries.prophpbb.com/topic10007.html   The Runic Kabalah PDF and Audio Mp3s http://dawn666blacksun.angelfire.com/Audio_Mp3s.htm   Explanation of the More Powerful Version of the Runes http://josministries.prophpbb.com/post745.html   You can also absorb energy from the sun or visualize yourself in a golden aura and affirm 108 times “I am always safe, secure, protected, and healthy in every way.” The protection working can be done multiple times a day.
 
@ JohnsonAkemi Thank you again for all your help! 

On Sunday, 16 October 2016, 3:16, "johnson_akemi@... [JoS_Astrology]" <[email protected] wrote:


  @victor markos, there are books in the "files" section of this group that may help you out.

@..., do a Banishing Ritual every day and build a very strong aura of protection. Both of those will keep enemy entities from making your life miserable. You can also visualize Satanic electric-blue fire filling your room/house to banish a malicious entity.
Banishing Ritual http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... shing.html   Satanic Electric-Blue Fire (The picture is towards the middle of the page) http://astralartsofthegods.weebly.com/extras.html

You can use SURYAE, ALGIZ, BERKANO, SOWILO (SAULO is the more powerful version), SATANAS, solar energy, or some other method to strengthen your aura of protection. I recommend you use all of the above if you can. A very strong aura of protection will make your life much easier as you will be protected against bad luck, accidents, disease, horrible people, physical or psychic attack, and other misfortune.   How to Clean Your Aura http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... aning.html   Aura of Protection http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... ction.html   Meditation for Protection http://josministries.prophpbb.com/topic10007.html   The Runic Kabalah PDF and Audio Mp3s http://dawn666blacksun.angelfire.com/Audio_Mp3s.htm   Explanation of the More Powerful Version of the Runes http://josministries.prophpbb.com/post745.html   You can also absorb energy from the sun or visualize yourself in a golden aura and affirm 108 times “I am always safe, secure, protected, and healthy in every way.” The protection working can be done multiple times a day.

 

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