Ancient people

[namtar]

Hello everyone,



I'd like to understand if ancient people adopted some nationalsocialist aspects , like non race mixing,

For example, did romans with their great empire allow black people to live in europe? Was race mixing allowed at the time because there was no jew threat?


Thanks

 

[Aurora_Sol666]

Hi Namtar

Ancient cultures rook a hard line against race mixing. Racial and cultural loyalty was very important to them. This is the natural state of being when jews aren't around to corrupt culture.

I remember reading an account of the Ancient Celts, where it stated that betraying ones race and culture was considered treasonous and would result in ex-communication from the community entirely.

The Greeks and Romans were the same, despite what "woke" cultural marxists will have you believe. So much history has been misinterpreted, altered and twisted to try and fit their agenda.

Alexander The Great commented many times on the importance of racial and cultural loyalty. This was the normal mindset of the time.

Hail Satan!!

 

[Aurora_Sol666]

*took a hard line.

 

[namtar]

*took a hard line.

Thanks for the answer aurora , yes I understand

 

[Epiphany]

Hi Namtar

Ancient cultures rook a hard line against race mixing. Racial and cultural loyalty was very important to them. This is the natural state of being when jews aren't around to corrupt culture.

I remember reading an account of the Ancient Celts, where it stated that betraying ones race and culture was considered treasonous and would result in ex-communication from the community entirely.

The Greeks and Romans were the same, despite what "woke" cultural marxists will have you believe. So much history has been misinterpreted, altered and twisted to try and fit their agenda.

Alexander The Great commented many times on the importance of racial and cultural loyalty. This was the normal mindset of the time.

Hail Satan!!

There is alot of disinformation out there on topics of eugenics, race science, miscegenation, etc, to promote (((multiculturalism))).

Therefore, it's hard to find ancient sources that explicitly talk about race mixing. Do you know of any specific ones that can be referenced?

 

[Homer]

Therefore, it's hard to find ancient sources that explicitly talk about race mixing. Do you know of any specific ones that can be referenced?

This article that debunks the multiculturalist/marxist propaganda about Greeks and Romans references many sources on this and other related topics:

Race, Ethnicity, and “Racism” in Greco-Roman Society

Contents AbstractDefining ‘Racism’IntroductionRacism in Greco-Roman society4.1 Aristotelian Biology: The proto-taxonomy of ancient Greece4.2 Europe as both Racial and Geographic4.3 Racist stereotyp…

thuletide.wordpress.com

From the article:

4.6 Purity of lineage and opposition to miscegenation​

The Athenians, like many ancient Greeks, placed huge importance on the “purity” and nobility of their lineage:

“We did not became dwellers in this land by driving others out of it, nor by finding it uninhabited, nor by coming together here a motley horde composed of many races; but we are of a lineage so noble and so pure that throughout our history we have continued in possession of the very land which gave us birth, since we are sprung from its very soil and are able to address our city by the very names which we apply to our nearest kin; for we alone of all the Hellenes have the right to call our city at once nurse and fatherland and mother.”
— Panegyricus, Isocrates (380 BC)

In Plato’s Menexenes (4th Century BC), Socrates explains the Athenian hatred of barbarians by claiming that Athenians…

“are pure-blooded Greeks, unadulterated by barbarian stock.”

This attitude towards racial or ethnic mixing was also held by the Romans — directly contrasting modern historical revisionism that attempts to paint Romans as race- or ethnicity-blind Globalists. When referring to Celts who had moved from Europe to Anatolia, the Roman historian Livy claimed that:

“These [Celtic units] are now degenerate, of mixed stock and really Gallogrecians, as they are called; just as in the case of crops and animals, the seeds are not as good in preserving their natural quality as the character of the soil and the climate in which they grow have the power to change it.”

In ‘The Epitome of Roman History,’ based on the works of Livy, Florus later paraphrased “mixed and degenerate” as ‘mixta et adulterata’ (“mixed and impure, bastards”).

Roman historian Tacitus described the Germans as: “indigenous, and not mixed at all with other peoples through immigration or intercourse” (Germania, 98 AD), which he regarded as one of their strengths (alongside their fearsome warrior culture, which was respected by the Romans).

Romans, in general, believed that racial or ethnic groups became “degenerated” by living outside of their natural habitats. They did not believe, for example, that a Roman could thrive in a Middle Eastern desert, or that an Ethiopian could adapt to living in wintery Scythia. This environmentally deterministic mode of thought can be viewed as a forerunner of “Blood and Soil” theories of nationalism, whereby specific peoples are bound to specific habitats and territories.

“The Macedonians who rule Alexandria in Egypt, who rule Seleucia and Babylon and other colonies spread all over the world, have degenerated into Syrians, Parthians and Egyptians […] whatever grows in its own soil, prospers better; transplanted to alien soil, it changes and it degenerates to conform to the soil which feeds it. […] You, by Hercules, being men of Mars, must take care and escape as quickly as possible from the amenities of Asia: such power have these foreign pleasures to smother vigour of character; so powerful is the impact of contact with the way of life and customs of the natives.”
— History of Rome, Livy (9 BC)

It should be noted that both Greeks and Romans (particularly the Romans) had virulent disdain for Middle Eastern peoples that went far beyond their general distaste for barbarians. This is covered in section 4.8.

 

[Seeker in the Dark]

I’m pretty sure they took it to another level and didn’t allow ethnicities to mix, let alone races. That being said, female slaves from conquests were usually “assimilated” to use euphemisms as it was a horrible practice. Although it depends from Pagan civilisation to Pagan civilisation, as some followed the Eternal Principles more than others, and the former were the more moral ones, while others decayed into barbarism, even before the abrahamic religions came along.

When it comes to race, it always seemed the caste societies which had several races/groups (Middle-East, Egypt, India) ended up mixing while the ones which were homogeneous(racially, not ethnically) (Europe, East Asia, Sub Saharan Africa) didn’t end up mixing. The common factor here seems if there are several groups in one place, mixing becomes very likely.

If a strong Pagan ethic couldn’t stop people from mixing, then the jewish chimera of abrahamism/communism is basically adding several teaspoons of salt to an open wound to the West today. Christianity, Islam and Communism all promote mixing, as assimilation is their goal. Hopefully the West avoids following the footsteps of Egypt and India, despite the odds.


HPHC wrote some articles on this on Satan’s library if you’re interested in diving further into the topic.

 

[Epiphany]

This article that debunks the multiculturalist/marxist propaganda about Greeks and Romans references many sources on this and other related topics:

Race, Ethnicity, and “Racism” in Greco-Roman Society

Contents AbstractDefining ‘Racism’IntroductionRacism in Greco-Roman society4.1 Aristotelian Biology: The proto-taxonomy of ancient Greece4.2 Europe as both Racial and Geographic4.3 Racist stereotyp…

thuletide.wordpress.com

From the article:

4.6 Purity of lineage and opposition to miscegenation​

The Athenians, like many ancient Greeks, placed huge importance on the “purity” and nobility of their lineage:


In Plato’s Menexenes (4th Century BC), Socrates explains the Athenian hatred of barbarians by claiming that Athenians…


This attitude towards racial or ethnic mixing was also held by the Romans — directly contrasting modern historical revisionism that attempts to paint Romans as race- or ethnicity-blind Globalists. When referring to Celts who had moved from Europe to Anatolia, the Roman historian Livy claimed that:


In ‘The Epitome of Roman History,’ based on the works of Livy, Florus later paraphrased “mixed and degenerate” as ‘mixta et adulterata’ (“mixed and impure, bastards”).

Roman historian Tacitus described the Germans as: “indigenous, and not mixed at all with other peoples through immigration or intercourse” (Germania, 98 AD), which he regarded as one of their strengths (alongside their fearsome warrior culture, which was respected by the Romans).

Romans, in general, believed that racial or ethnic groups became “degenerated” by living outside of their natural habitats. They did not believe, for example, that a Roman could thrive in a Middle Eastern desert, or that an Ethiopian could adapt to living in wintery Scythia. This environmentally deterministic mode of thought can be viewed as a forerunner of “Blood and Soil” theories of nationalism, whereby specific peoples are bound to specific habitats and territories.


It should be noted that both Greeks and Romans (particularly the Romans) had virulent disdain for Middle Eastern peoples that went far beyond their general distaste for barbarians. This is covered in section 4.8.

Thanks for the detailed response, the scholarly approach is often missing here.

 

[namtar]

Thanks everyone , you have been very Kind❤