Health #76874 At what stage does a body gain a soul?

[AskSatanOperator]

I'm very curious as to what stage of development in the womb a body gains a soul. And is there any process determining which soul gets which body?

 

[Hs666]

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This process is gradual and not immediate. Around the 4th month of pregnancy the soul develops along with the baby. The total process ends with the birth of the baby.

Yes, each soul has specific characteristics to be “connected” to a physical body. If this does not occur, the soul cannot reincarnate. If one is of the white race and white races do not make children, the soul remains stuck and cannot reincarnate. Because it is not “compatible” with other races. I am trivializing it, it is to make the point.

 

[FrostGaze]

I'm very curious as to what stage of development in the womb a body gains a soul. And is there any process determining which soul gets which body?

The info I'm presenting below comes from books written by hypnotists who do life between lives regression:

The soul watches as the fetus watches as it gets developed in the womb of the mother. Then it may decide to enter it on and off. But the soul must necessarily enter it by the time the baby born. This is because the fetus can live without a soul in the womb since it's sustained by its mother, but it can't live after without a soul after it's born.

The exact time the soul enters it depends on the individual soul. Some souls enter while the baby is in the womb, while others stay away and travel in the astral realms and enter at the time of birth.

As about which soul gets which body, the soul chooses the body for its own purposes and what it wants to accomplish in the life. It chooses its parents, which country on the earth it wants to incarnate in and everything else. Different souls communicate with eachother on the astral before they incarnate on earth and decide who wants to be who's parent or wife or husband or whatever, depending on their karmic ties and whatever they want to do in life. Everything is arranged before they are born in this way.

 

[FrostGaze]

The info I'm presenting below comes from books written by hypnotists who do life between lives regression

Two good books on that topic if you want to learn more are "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls" by Michael Newton. They tell everything a soul does after the death of the body, its adventures on the astral until the time it decides to reincarnate again into a new body.

 

[OttoHart]

You should not think of a soul as some quasi-physical thing, that is then "put inside" the fetus' body, or whatever, as this is a limited way of seeing it.
The soul is not physical, and does not follow physical laws like "moving somewhere".

Think of the soul of an individual as an incredibly long, unique pattern, similar to a complex line of code. This, when you die, is "copied" somewhere in a way, in a dimension that is completely non-physical. It is hard to picture, but analogies can be made to how digital things work.

This pattern includes everything, from our race, to our sex, to our personality traits, to our mental habits, to subconscious processes, to spiritual development, to how your Chakras develop, to more complex things that we can't fully grasp. All of this makes you, you, as this is the identity you have developed. When a new soul is born, this is something that happens "by chance", someone simply has a child and this child is not a good opportunity for an already existing soul, but it is a good opportunity for a new soul. These things are handled by the Gods, and this does answer your second question.

To answer your first, think of it not as the soul "moving into the fetus". The soul, rather, was "saved/screenshotted/stored/copied" at a certain point in time upon death (during which it resided in some sort of afterlife), and then the soul is slowly "copied over" into the material world because the fetus being developed is in the right conditions to receive that soul, due to their race, sex, DNA and chart.

Just as the body does not suddenly pop into existence, so does the soul not do that. It gradually develops, which is something that also happens when we are alive as we live life, the soul gradually changes.

 

[zagreus]

Two good books on that topic if you want to learn more are "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls" by Michael Newton. They tell everything a soul does after the death of the body, its adventures on the astral until the time it decides to reincarnate again into a new body.

I have read these two books. If I remember correctly, the souls in the books have no gender and can go into a male or female body. However, on the forums here I am reading the opposite, that souls have a gender and can only go into a body of that particular gender.

Can anyone weigh in on this topic?

 

[Voice of Enki [TG]]

The info I'm presenting below comes from books written by hypnotists who do life between lives regression:

The soul watches as the fetus watches as it gets developed in the womb of the mother. Then it may decide to enter it on and off. But the soul must necessarily enter it by the time the baby born. This is because the fetus can live without a soul in the womb since it's sustained by its mother, but it can't live after without a soul after it's born.

The exact time the soul enters it depends on the individual soul. Some souls enter while the baby is in the womb, while others stay away and travel in the astral realms and enter at the time of birth.

As about which soul gets which body, the soul chooses the body for its own purposes and what it wants to accomplish in the life. It chooses its parents, which country on the earth it wants to incarnate in and everything else. Different souls communicate with eachother on the astral before they incarnate on earth and decide who wants to be who's parent or wife or husband or whatever, depending on their karmic ties and whatever they want to do in life. Everything is arranged before they are born in this way.

This is not true. Most souls do not get to choose anything at all, from the moment of death to reincarnation everything is automatic without any single input from the individual. Reincarnation is a natural process which happens automatically, even when souls do not want to reincarnate again. Only two cases where it stops, one is when Spiritual Immortality or higher is achieved, or when a soul runs out of energy and dissipates into the true death/second death.

The only souls who get any agency are those who are spiritually advanced enough to enter Elysium to some degree, there they can stay for a long time and thus they have some agency as to when they will reincarnate again, but even then the amount of agency is limited at first. You will have to reincarnate again when times are right. Such Souls will be able to incarnate in very blessed circumstances compared to others, but you do not really get to choose where you reincarnate at this stage, you just reincarnate where it makes sense for you to reincarnate based on your soul circumstances and karmic influences on you, as well as what is necessitated by the Gods from you. You also don't get to choose your parents, they are chosen based on natural processes, which can be seen through astrology in the birth chart of the parents and the children. You will incarnate into a household that fits your astrological circumstances in life, which are based on the karmic manifestations of your soul from all past life influences and prior experiences.

For ordinary people, there is no choice at all. They just reincarnate through a path of least resistance, into lives that are closest to the karmic influences on them at the time, through an automatic process of the transmigration of souls, which is governed by the Gods.

Only very powerful Souls will get any real agency, such as to decide when they reincarnate and for what purpose, based on which they can decide where to reincarnate and what life circumstances they will have. This is very rare, only select individuals who are already at spiritual immortality stage of the MO can get to do this, or usually it is those who are even higher than that and do not require reincarnation anymore but who decide to return by their own choice in order to do some critical task on the planet that requires an extraordinary soul who is beyond human.


This idea of arrangement is not at all what happens, it can be possible to a small extend for more advanced Elysian Souls, and joint incarnation at the same time by souls with strong Karmic ties is pretty normal for advanced souls, however this does not mean they will reincarnate anywhere close to each other in proximity, or even be of the exact same generation.
Souls have karmic influences on them which dictate everything about their next incarnation, these influences are not things that souls have agency over, they are the sum of past life experiences, influences, choices, actions, inactions, development or lack there off, blessings and other spiritual work, oaths, convictions, desires, etc.

This karma is influenced during life, not in the after life, and your next life is largely decided by your current life, so your current life is decided by your past life and those before. Then the times themselves always carry influence which will be imparted upon the soul as they incarnate, not all of which is strictly related to past life karma, but can also be karma from parents, karma from the society we are under itself, karma of the times that is tied to us (Middle ages for example had many issues, the times themselves carry almost unavoidable karma that had afflicted everyone to some degree, even the most powerful of souls who had full agency over their reincarnation).


Then to comment on the gender as a general reply, your gender is set from the first time you incarnate, the moment your consciousness and soul manifest for the first time, you are either a man or a woman, and this remains forever. Your gender never changes. Once a man, always a man, no matter what you do in your life, no matter what you wish for or desire, no matter what delusions, hopes or dreams. You don't have any choice over this either, as you just manifest in your first incarnation after being created by the natural generative forces of life through procreation, the gender of the fetus will determine the gender of the newly created soul, and this newly created soul will inherit most of their karma from the parents, the bloodline, and the other part will be from the times and the place. They cannot have personal karma yet, as it is a first incarnation. Personal karma is a blank slate.

For when souls enter the fetus, this is a long process which starts between 3 and 4 months. During which the soul enters a state of hibernation as it goes through reincarnation. Any kind of astral experiences are before the soul is binding to the fetus for the new body. At first this binding is relatively loose, and in case something happens to the fetus, the soul can detach with ease, up to about 7 or 8 months, where the binding is already set, damage then will be quite negative as the soul is already settled into the new life, in a subconscious state until the moment of birth. If something goes wrong before birth, the soul detaches and either has to weight for another chance at reincarnation, or maybe there is another possible reincarnation nearby in a similar time frame where it can go again.

For special cases, like powerful Elysian souls, their reincarnation is set in stone, protected by special blessings of the Gods and will always happen when it is supposed to happen, even if there are issues or interruptions. The mother who carries such a soul will also be protected so she can successfully give birth to these powerful and important incarnations. This does not mean there cannot be any complications, but at least failed reincarnation will not happen.

 

[zagreus]

Thank-you for the detailed reply.

"when a soul runs out of energy and dissipates into the true death/second death."

This happens how? Forgive me, I am new around here. I have been reading that meditation helps with this. I have been meditating for about five years now.

 

[Voice of Enki [TG]]

Thank-you for the detailed reply.

"when a soul runs out of energy and dissipates into the true death/second death."

This happens how? Forgive me, I am new around here. I have been reading that meditation helps with this. I have been meditating for about five years now.

Souls do not have infinite energy. It is replenished during lifetimes by spiritual work and also to a lesser extend by living life itself. Though, if a soul never meditates they will run out of energy and eventually dissipate no matter how good they live otherwise. Spiritual work is required to replenish the soul, but if one lives well, stays on an upwards trajectory and meditates, the soul is capable of reincarnating forever. Souls are born with this kind of "immortality" as an innate quality, but this is not true immortality as you do go through reincarnation each time. When immortality is reached, you transcend reincarnation itself.

When significant advancement has been achieved, you can sustain many lifetimes even with minimal to no spiritual work, though it has a toll on you and will continuously weaken you. For a Soul of the Gods it is easy to sustain themselves and never have to fear a second death, as the opportunity to replenish your soul and continue advancing always arrives in time for those who are with the Gods. Ordinary people, if they never grow past being andrapoda, or if they get stuck in very entropic and negative things that drain them, they will dissipate eventually, sometimes it can happen after as few as 3 total lifetimes. If they never embark on the spiritual path, they will dissipate.

This is not something any person on the Path has to fear.

 

[zagreus]

Thank-you again

 

[Lightning_Puma]

This is not true. Most souls do not get to choose anything at all, from the moment of death to reincarnation everything is automatic without any single input from the individual. Reincarnation is a natural process which happens automatically, even when souls do not want to reincarnate again. Only two cases where it stops, one is when Spiritual Immortality or higher is achieved, or when a soul runs out of energy and dissipates into the true death/second death.

The only souls who get any agency are those who are spiritually advanced enough to enter Elysium to some degree, there they can stay for a long time and thus they have some agency as to when they will reincarnate again, but even then the amount of agency is limited at first. You will have to reincarnate again when times are right. Such Souls will be able to incarnate in very blessed circumstances compared to others, but you do not really get to choose where you reincarnate at this stage, you just reincarnate where it makes sense for you to reincarnate based on your soul circumstances and karmic influences on you, as well as what is necessitated by the Gods from you. You also don't get to choose your parents, they are chosen based on natural processes, which can be seen through astrology in the birth chart of the parents and the children. You will incarnate into a household that fits your astrological circumstances in life, which are based on the karmic manifestations of your soul from all past life influences and prior experiences.

For ordinary people, there is no choice at all. They just reincarnate through a path of least resistance, into lives that are closest to the karmic influences on them at the time, through an automatic process of the transmigration of souls, which is governed by the Gods.

Only very powerful Souls will get any real agency, such as to decide when they reincarnate and for what purpose, based on which they can decide where to reincarnate and what life circumstances they will have. This is very rare, only select individuals who are already at spiritual immortality stage of the MO can get to do this, or usually it is those who are even higher than that and do not require reincarnation anymore but who decide to return by their own choice in order to do some critical task on the planet that requires an extraordinary soul who is beyond human.


This idea of arrangement is not at all what happens, it can be possible to a small extend for more advanced Elysian Souls, and joint incarnation at the same time by souls with strong Karmic ties is pretty normal for advanced souls, however this does not mean they will reincarnate anywhere close to each other in proximity, or even be of the exact same generation.
Souls have karmic influences on them which dictate everything about their next incarnation, these influences are not things that souls have agency over, they are the sum of past life experiences, influences, choices, actions, inactions, development or lack there off, blessings and other spiritual work, oaths, convictions, desires, etc.

This karma is influenced during life, not in the after life, and your next life is largely decided by your current life, so your current life is decided by your past life and those before. Then the times themselves always carry influence which will be imparted upon the soul as they incarnate, not all of which is strictly related to past life karma, but can also be karma from parents, karma from the society we are under itself, karma of the times that is tied to us (Middle ages for example had many issues, the times themselves carry almost unavoidable karma that had afflicted everyone to some degree, even the most powerful of souls who had full agency over their reincarnation).


Then to comment on the gender as a general reply, your gender is set from the first time you incarnate, the moment your consciousness and soul manifest for the first time, you are either a man or a woman, and this remains forever. Your gender never changes. Once a man, always a man, no matter what you do in your life, no matter what you wish for or desire, no matter what delusions, hopes or dreams. You don't have any choice over this either, as you just manifest in your first incarnation after being created by the natural generative forces of life through procreation, the gender of the fetus will determine the gender of the newly created soul, and this newly created soul will inherit most of their karma from the parents, the bloodline, and the other part will be from the times and the place. They cannot have personal karma yet, as it is a first incarnation. Personal karma is a blank slate.

For when souls enter the fetus, this is a long process which starts between 3 and 4 months. During which the soul enters a state of hibernation as it goes through reincarnation. Any kind of astral experiences are before the soul is binding to the fetus for the new body. At first this binding is relatively loose, and in case something happens to the fetus, the soul can detach with ease, up to about 7 or 8 months, where the binding is already set, damage then will be quite negative as the soul is already settled into the new life, in a subconscious state until the moment of birth. If something goes wrong before birth, the soul detaches and either has to weight for another chance at reincarnation, or maybe there is another possible reincarnation nearby in a similar time frame where it can go again.

For special cases, like powerful Elysian souls, their reincarnation is set in stone, protected by special blessings of the Gods and will always happen when it is supposed to happen, even if there are issues or interruptions. The mother who carries such a soul will also be protected so she can successfully give birth to these powerful and important incarnations. This does not mean there cannot be any complications, but at least failed reincarnation will not happen.

Brother, I wanted to ask you.

1. What about cases of the fetus being perfectly healthy but after the mother gives birth it is stillborn?

2. Or a forming fetus goes stillborn in the womb?

3.Can there be cases of babies being born, but they end up dying prematurely out of the blue, like can this be a cause because the soul couldn't sustain itself as if it died or what?

4.Can a soul even die while it has a body that young?

Sorry for so many questions, I was just always curious about such things as it feels important for me to know, especially as a future mother.
Thank you!

 

[zagreus]

Souls do not have infinite energy. It is replenished during lifetimes by spiritual work and also to a lesser extend by living life itself. Though, if a soul never meditates they will run out of energy and eventually dissipate no matter how good they live otherwise. Spiritual work is required to replenish the soul, but if one lives well, stays on an upwards trajectory and meditates, the soul is capable of reincarnating forever. Souls are born with this kind of "immortality" as an innate quality, but this is not true immortality as you do go through reincarnation each time. When immortality is reached, you transcend reincarnation itself.

@Voice of Enki [TG] Will a soul use up its energy in-between lives by trying to sustain itself while not incarnated?

I would like to learn more about the reincarnation process. Can you point me to more information? I would much appreciate it.

Thank-you.

 

[Aquamarine Springs]

Souls do not have infinite energy. It is replenished during lifetimes by spiritual work and also to a lesser extend by living life itself. Though, if a soul never meditates they will run out of energy and eventually dissipate no matter how good they live otherwise. Spiritual work is required to replenish the soul, but if one lives well, stays on an upwards trajectory and meditates, the soul is capable of reincarnating forever. Souls are born with this kind of "immortality" as an innate quality, but this is not true immortality as you do go through reincarnation each time. When immortality is reached, you transcend reincarnation itself.

When significant advancement has been achieved, you can sustain many lifetimes even with minimal to no spiritual work, though it has a toll on you and will continuously weaken you. For a Soul of the Gods it is easy to sustain themselves and never have to fear a second death, as the opportunity to replenish your soul and continue advancing always arrives in time for those who are with the Gods. Ordinary people, if they never grow past being andrapoda, or if they get stuck in very entropic and negative things that drain them, they will dissipate eventually, sometimes it can happen after as few as 3 total lifetimes. If they never embark on the spiritual path, they will dissipate.

This is not something any person on the Path has to fear.

Brother, I appreciate your detailed replies. Things like this make me wonder about abortion. Maxine told us that Lilith supports abortion, but if a soul is put into the fetus during utero development what are the ethics of this? Additionally, I read here that at the moment of conception, light is produced. This seems to me like the moment the soul is bound to the physical world. This is when physical features, innate likes and dislikes, and things of that sort are decided by both genetics and soul. It feels like an abortion would be murder.

 

[Voice of Enki [TG]]

Brother, I wanted to ask you.

1. What about cases of the fetus being perfectly healthy but after the mother gives birth it is stillborn?

2. Or a forming fetus goes stillborn in the womb?

3.Can there be cases of babies being born, but they end up dying prematurely out of the blue, like can this be a cause because the soul couldn't sustain itself as if it died or what?

4.Can a soul even die while it has a body that young?

Sorry for so many questions, I was just always curious about such things as it feels important for me to know, especially as a future mother.
Thank you!

1. and 2. From what I understand stillbirths are caused by problems during pregnancy, or problems in the development of the fetus, perhaps going undetected causing the fetus to be perceived as healthy, when it wasn't healthy, or there are undetected health problems for the mother which cause complications leading to stillbirth.

From what I understand, a stillborn fetus has died in the womb, it will not be active anymore, signs of life are gone. The fetus is sustained by the mother so it doesn't decay inside the womb, but the mother's body recognizes the fetus no longer has life and accelerates the birth.

Normally stillbirths not caused by external circumstances are most common around 5-6 months, which is a critical period of development for the fetus, and it is notable how this coincides with the time a Soul would fully integrate with the fetus. If it is caused by external circumstances, it means the child was harmed by something which caused a premature death.

I believe stillbirths are caused by physical problems either of the mother, the fetus, or both, and are not of spiritual nature directly, but if someone has low energy levels then it is logical for there to be increased risk, as lower energy levels will weaken the body, weakened body leading to increased risk of complications during pregnancy.

3. If such a problem occurs, it would be because the mother does not have enough vitality to sustain the pregnancy, not because of the incarnating soul itself.

For a Zevist, this should be almost impossible, due to the high energies and vitality produced in the body through our Spiritual Practices. Especially if both the Mother and Father will do blessings reinforcing the health and vitality of the child, and the Mother herself during pregnancy.

Any Zevist man who is an expecting Father, be sure to support your wife materially and spiritually. Whether your wife is a Zevist or not, be sure to spiritually support her, bless her with full vitality, health and strength, and bless your unborn child as well with good spiritual sustenance. Don't overload them, but support them well. This really makes a very big difference compared to having pregnancy happen normally without any active spiritual support.

We know how powerful the mind and soul are, able to heal diseases within moments, change the course of life as a whole. Imagine how blessed your child will be if 9 months before the birth, they have been blessed to be a healthy, intelligent and powerful child, and how well the pregnancy will go for the Mother to have a powerful Husband by her side to bless her and share the energetic burden directly to sustain the child. Any complications can be completely avoided, even the birth itself can be significantly easier on her thanks to your Blessings and support.

4. If a soul is incarnating, it is not dissipating. So no, a soul will not experience second death while in the process of reincarnation. Second death happens while in the afterlife, between reincarnations. Only Souls who end up dwelling on the Asphodel Meadows can end up dissipating, even on there they will already be extremely weak, empty husks slowly fading out of existence. Very different from ordinary souls on the Asphodel Meadows.

I hope this answers the questions.

 

[Voice of Enki [TG]]

Brother, I appreciate your detailed replies. Things like this make me wonder about abortion. Maxine told us that Lilith supports abortion, but if a soul is put into the fetus during utero development what are the ethics of this? Additionally, I read here that at the moment of conception, light is produced. This seems to me like the moment the soul is bound to the physical world. This is when physical features, innate likes and dislikes, and things of that sort are decided by both genetics and soul. It feels like an abortion would be murder.

Abortion when done before a certain point where the soul has merged with the fetus is not damaging to the reincarnating soul, and is therefore harmless.

Most do not recommend abortion after 12 weeks, at which point the Soul has not even made the connection to the fetus yet, or it has barely recognized the fetus as a body to reincarnate into. Therefore, there is no harm in abortion when done at 12 weeks or before. Even if it is done a little later, say at 16 weeks, there is no harm to the soul at that point either, so the process is not unethical from the perspective of the reincarnating soul.

Ethically, it starts to become questionable, or perhaps already problematic at 20 weeks of pregnancy. There are countries which allow up to 24 weeks to have an abortion, which in my opinion is too late.

If done before 4 months, there are no ethical concerns and there is guaranteed to be no harm to any reincarnating soul. After that, it is increasingly harmful. After 6 months, that would be very harmful, but if there are serious medical concerns, there might be reasons to justify it, however, it should just be recognized earlier and abortion should be done before that point with foresight.

If pregnancy is a concern, abort it as early as possible, for the least harm. This is best for the woman herself as well. The earlier any abortion is done, the less problems or harm is caused.

 

[Voice of Enki [TG]]

@Voice of Enki [TG] Will a soul use up its energy in-between lives by trying to sustain itself while not incarnated?

I would like to learn more about the reincarnation process. Can you point me to more information? I would much appreciate it.

Thank-you.

Yes, when a soul is in the transmigration between lives, energy is continuously drained, therefore, souls normally have to reincarnate rather quickly after death.

Through spiritual practice, the soul itself is strengthened, it will have more energy to sustain itself, and it also has stronger integrity so less energy is lost with time. One life of spiritual advancement is enough to have no danger of dissipation for multiple Reincarnation cycles afterwards, even if no spiritual practice is done in multiple lives afterwards.

Of course, the soul will continuously weaken with each reincarnation if no spiritual advancement is done, so this cannot be sustained, but you will always have a positive net gain in energy when you live your lifetimes Spiritually Advancing.

When a soul can fully retain their consciousness after death, they can already remain in the afterlife for very extensive periods of time without any harm, even hundreds of years, or even longer.

Second Death can be completely avoided when that stage is reached. The first achievement of the MO lets a practitioner reach a state of Spiritual Immortality, which means, their Soul will never dissipate, even after extreme periods of time. Your consciousness and soul are fully integrated, and you retain all faculties of mind and even power in the afterlife.