HP. Hoodedcobra666 said:
...but gave up on the so called "National Socialism"...
Let's assume that Mageson was not a bad person but began to produce misinformation or moving to alternative forms of Governance.
My question which is a valid question and no I'm not trying to shill or be some homewrecker.
But I've asked this before and besides finding information such as Myla's Understand NS, GLR's videos, and various tidbits and various aspects of NS from just about everywhere I can get my hands on 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s and beyond information. And information from various members. For example I re-read a post from a while back someone replied and mentioned Fascism = State First = Totalitarian while NS = Orion = Our race is our nation. It reminds me of Hitler's Thingplatz speech whereby he goes "The state does not control the state but it is the volk who control the state thus the state belongs to the people". Very NS not Fascism had he stated "The state controls the state thus the state belongs to the state" it would be Fascism. But his speech was a very almost Americanistic "For the people, to serve the people, by the people" mentality.
BUT I do have one annoying question that is a ball buster.
WHAT IS National Socialism?
Unfortunately like you state HP.Cobra in What is the NS financial System sermon. Because we don't have direct economic policies from the NSDAP directly both in large volume and in personnel trained in such things. We mostly have doctored pieces or affixed pieces by people with an agenda often times BIASED and often times hostile towards NS. You know gotta holla for that dollah or shekels in these case apparently people prefer the Homer Simpson "All ighty olla" or in this case "All ighty hekel".
But personally I can fully understand WHY Mageson left NS doctrines and even focus on socialistic if not outright communist such as the kropotkin Gentile communism system. IN my case the reason why I never left is DESPITE learning Neo-Nazism through History channel, through internet, and through my own hatred both outright hate and racial hatred(i.e. hate niggers, spics, minus the Asians). I've always viewed in my younger years the entertainment of war and found the Pacific front boring and enjoyed the combativeness of Germany. Sure it might be wrong now sure many will scowl and frown at my younger Neo-Nazi days and even I myself AM still in the process of learning. It's like an MMORPG you gain XP and ding level up but you still need more XP to level up to the next level. I've deconstructed myself and reconstructed myself.
My ardent, fervent, and FANATICAL appreciation of Nazi Germany and as of just even a few years ago 2014 I was still in my old Neo-Nazi ways even now sometimes the struggle of hate and racial hate returns albeit more and more it seems I'm not wrong not right but it seems everyone is in hate mode politically. My appreciation of all Axis members. For example the Army of Mankind website really the struggle of mankind the destruction of judiac enslavement not just the Europeans but all over the World.
But again time and time again. Just like George Lincoln Rockwell stated "time and again the Marxist or the Communist have not given me an answer as to the criteria of stating all Humans are equal in comparison to other animals in the animal kingdom". And there IN lies the problem not just for myself but for many.
I'm very grateful for members upholding my ignorance I'm sure many themselves are ignorant. But are we NS in name or are we actual NS. I'd like to state and believe that the Joy of Satan, the so-called Amalek warriors, ARE in by OG. Original Gangstahs we are upholders of truth and racial realism. AND believe in many things that for some strange reason many communists before changing to NS or outright leaving Germany labelled us "State Capitalist dupes". I strongly believe we are not just "Right is Right" but believe it is our mission to save the World in as much as the World also helps itself.
But in the entire time I've been around I've rarely if ever had the chance to understand NS except for tidbits like a puzzle. I'm trying to construct the puzzle but there are missing pieces it's like a lego block building there are missing lego pieces in whereby thing should be SOME are intentional like a window or a bar but others are more completely ignorant and missing pieces.
So I can understand why Mageson went off the rails. He is not as fanatical or as much a lover of NS and really the entirety of Axis powers. Certainly some people in Hitler's time were not such as Von Paulus or Junkers or even Von Stauffenberg(Assassination attempt in '44).
BUT again "I truly don't know what NS is" I'm ignorant to such an extent that I've had difficulty explaining it to others minus tidbits of information the details aren't there. I can see a picture but the details are blurred or gone.
I've read Mein Kampf here on JoS '36 Dugdale the condensed version. Left me with more questions than answers. I've read Vrill: The coming race by Lytton again a recommended read of NS and often a NS occult book. Again left me dumbfounded and asking what is NS about this or why is this being propagated as NS Occult Literature if Vrill the Sumerian word and word we use for energy or for the Gods is being used but the book doesn't really paint a picture of NS or Occult. IF anything the opposite the feeling I got was these underground beings are crazy from living underground. I couldn't understand if they were some sort of combative hippies all living in some colony of like-minded individuals and when it was mentioned they'd probably exterminate the surface dwellers I asked myself if that is even an NS principle. Exterminate ignorant and stupid NPCs simply to put your own system in place which again seems counterintuitive towards what NS is or could be. Again maybe I'm wrong on the whole Vrill book but reading the 130 some odd pages of the book doesn't really paint a picture of NS. IF the book is meant to state underground societies exist and there could be a combination of allies, neutral, and enemies sure I can see that but the very people and governance they exhibit seems odd.
Maybe I should read the Ford edition, the so-called King of Kings edition or the most documented version of Mein Kampf. I recall someone a while back putting up the website information and mentioning things like Kike is said once in, 5 times blacks are mentioned, 25 times for Czech, French, and other nearby Aryan nations.
Honestly I'm just scratching my head at NS. Maybe I'm in the wrong not like I plan on leaving JoS or NS but I don't have a concrete, no scratch that, I don't have the very underground prepared for NS. There is neither underground pipes, basement, ground level, flat ground, first floor, nor other floors of the House. It's like to me NS is a hut or log cabin. It's there because it can handle itself and is stable but when you think about it, it's all primitive old-school construction. There is no modern or natural development.
I apologize ahead if this is a long post and it seems like I'm rambling. But I have no layered understanding of NS. I've got tidbits and personal aspects. But nothing further than a simple cursory reading. Like I said I've come up with things that seem NS but could just be socialistic either leaning towards socialism, communism. Or like recently I learned Ben Klassen's "Racial Socialism" a middle ground between Fascism and National Socialism. So in my ignorance I just don't understand NS even though I'm in this organization. Not to start trouble to others so I apologize if I'm being negative but for my own personal and as well as the personal understanding to others whom are here or ANYONE for that matters that wishes to understand.
I've said this time and time again to people. Our Spiritual Satanism our Religious-Political system is liken by people. But once people see the NS, anti-semtism, anti-holohoax etc.etc. it's veys to their oys. And no I'm not stating jews I'm stating the very common person. Some people are wanting answers, some like to peer into the so-called shadows. But many will be hesitant and many will state the problem with JoS is that it's National Socialism much like anti-JoS members. Again that is THEIR issues not ours. We merely present the facts if people are too fucking scared and express pusillanimity at a little alternative political system and OY VEY the 6 gorillian. Then something is up. TO me this isn't scary or an issue. I view it as just another fact of life.
But again: "What is National Socialism?"....
![Karnonnos [JG]](/data/avatars/m/21/21596.jpg?1704756304){kind=avatar}
