Frank.Woden said:
sshivafr said:
Frank.Woden said:
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You just a bunch of fundamentalists idiots.
First of all, Al-Azif (the title of the Necronomicon) was written by Abdul Alhazred , a semitic magician.
So yes, he was living near the Palestine and the mark of the beast was used by arabs and semitics as well as more than 2000 years.
Secondly , a manuscript from John Dee never arrived to us , and never existed. Just he never translated the text.
The one promoted on the JoS website, is well known to be a super-fake edition and also seals are WRONG.
Lovecraft himself declare openly about that :
https://www.hplovecraft.com/creation/necron/letters.aspx
BUT, even if now I don't want to share here between you ,obnoxious little chihuahuas , there is a manuscript called with the same name, which resemble a Greek edition of the text, and with all correct Doors and seals of MARDUK inside.
Has been found in correspondences between some embassies in the Balkans during the '70.
About who asked here frightened and scared.
I Hope they will come back to You sucking more energy from Your chakras , as this is the right punishments for fools that try to open gates with the underworld .
You screamed this time, next time for sure I will not help you. Good luck.
How do you want the discussions to go well?
This goes beyond my own personal case. We don't care about that.
First of all, I didn't insult you. Secondly, of course it's a question of: choice, trust and belief!
I translate for JoS so obviously I made the choice to trust JoS and believe in his teaching.
However, there may be things that are wrong, in good faith. That is why I asked you to explain, to develop your opinion and why I said that I was able to hear various opinions, even very different ones.
I didn't know that you were not dedicated because, yes, it is not fair to advise and sow doubt when you don't believe in the same thing. Is Shiva for you Satan already?
So yes I was thanking the other participants for informing me.
And wishing harm to a SS is not acceptable. One can doubt the intentions in what you call "helping".
Concerning the Necronomicon, several of us have done the chakra opening circuit over the year. We cannot allow doubt to creep in. This is an issue that needs to be addressed.
I also use the money spell "Necronomicon".
Finally, you mention Marduk. But Marduk is Amon Rà the son of Satan !! Why would He bring us evil?
In my case, I still have his sigil with that of Satan and Valefor, because it is a God that interests me a lot.
I don't know why you are here if you don't share our beliefs. What is the purpose? To sow doubt? I am interested.
While I asked Harvard directly to tell me if they have this book or not (and of course will be no)
I would like to offer som reasoning , more than a simple debunking of JoS methods.
This is not my purpose.
My purpose is to let you use some logic and let you asking yourselves some questions , if you can.
https://magickandoccultism.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-necronomicon-history-and.html
I suggest You to read this interesting article , first.
One of the groups (which had blindly promoted the "John Dee's Necronomion") holds such a high regard for this document had not taken the time to study this text, to look at the alumni records as Harvard, or to falsely spread Lovecraft history as fact is the Joy of Satan (JoS).
The Joy of Satan website talks about the Necronomicon: https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Necronomicon.html . I will be quoting parts of the article to show why much of the words written are contributing to these misinformed comments.
High Priestess Maxine says, "The Necronomicon is not a work of fiction, nor was it invented by by 'Howard Phillip Lovecraft."
The very opening to the preface of the John Dee Necronomicon says that Dr. Joseph Talbet was one of the professors who wrote the preface of the Dee Version of the Necronomicon, but who is Dr. Joseph Talbet?
A while back I was contacted Harvard through an email provided at http://alumni.harvard.edu/help/contacts-links and they provide the email and phone number for the "professor" who translated John Dee's Version of the Necronomicon. When I called the desk for results Harvard said, "Dr. Joseph Talbet does not exist or never existed at Harvard."
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I did more research into who Dr. Joseph Talbet, because obviously he did not exist for the record at Harvard. So it can be assumed whoever proposed the existence of Dr. Talbet as the professor in the preface of the John Dee version, is an authenticated liar. High Priestess Maxine states, "If anyone would take the time to read the Preface of this book, authored by Joseph Talbet, Ph. D., D. Litt, Harvard University, the TRUE history of this powerful GRIMOIRE is revealed." Well I think if people would take the time to read critically and question everything then we would not have an epidemic of uneducated people misinforming others.
In comparison to the fictional history by HP Lovecraft, all of the John Dee "Necronomicon" history behind this book is identical. If anyone wrote the history of this book or understood it then give it to Howard Philip Lovecraft. May I remind you the Joy of Satan wrote about this "fake" professor" and so called "history word for word. The truth be known, it would seem the JoS fell inlove with the romanticism of John Dee translating the Necronomicon.
The two versions indeed at the beginning of both books are identical.
Wow! John Dee was a great translator for the modern era, not bad for a guy from the 16th Century! In all reality, this was the Simon version of the Necronomicon we are observing. It was a cunning writer who implemented works of Simon (Peter Lavenda) and H. P. Lovecraft that compiled this entire book. I find it disturbing how there are many people have fallen for their gullibility over the John Dee version of the Necronomicon. I am glad I could present this information to help debunk the "John Dee Necronomicon."
I have a source who knew Peter Lavenda when he was on RIME in the Magick Conference, where Peter Lavenda claimed he believed in the Necronomicon openly. He was also the host of the party when the innovative book was published in the late 70's. So he is very suspect by his published works, copyrighted work, and the fact he changed his name of the authorship on the kindle version of the Necronomicon. Peter Lavenda is Simon.
That is fine, but make sure your spirituality does not make you ignorant to the facts.
BOOM. So easy to debunk, so easy to be destroyed. Very bad.
And now how do You feel after believing into a LIE?
Would have better, at that point, informing before and then creating a new one saying Maxime or whoever received it directly by Satan?
Why I am doing this.
Let's put it this way... Wouldn't be better like to say this book is part of an Akashic records, that travel beyond time and space and You received it from Satan indeed than to write a LIE on the JoS website?
Wouldn't be better to be honest with the public and the follower?
https://www.joyofsatan.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Necronomicon.html
That's right, 1586, FOR ONE. That's just one. There are others copies that even precede this copy. The 1586 copy was authored by Dr. John Dee, you know, the man who brought us the Enochian calls. If anyone would take the time to read the "Preface" in this book, authored by Dr. Joseph Talbet, Ph.D., D. Litt, Harvard University, the TRUE history of this powerful GRIMOIRE is revealed:
This is all I have to say, all the rest I don't want to add anything else.
The doubt is legit when You go deeper inside things before even put them in practice I suppose.
At least the Simon version is more funny and have a sort of realistic aspect, quoting mesopotamians Gods and Demons correctly and using seals which could correspond to an arabic curved style.
I found it more interesting and with a sort of value.
Memento.
And now You can attack me. :lol:
The supposed mark of the beast, as I now found it, is a spiritual allegory to the 666 or the number that represents spirituality and vital force as presented on JoS main website.
The thing is... if you have read history not just from one source like the xian BS blog you posted about, then you would have clearly knew the fact that most, if not a, the writings, based on what is stated on the JoS website, had to appear textually appealing to the xian spying eye in roder to get approved in libraries and schools, hence the New Age bullshit we have right now were angelic magic is used and sigils of so-called Demons, and also the false portrayal of spiritual workings and communications with astral entities.
JoS is in all its forms honest with the public and its followers, be them people who want to learn and are Satanists, or people who want to learn but are not Satanists, and, surprisingly, even with trolls like you.
That is right, the truth here is hard as fuck and you can irrevocably accept it, as everything that is stated here is stated from years of learning from books that were so old, not just from an occult blog that you stumbled upon, and spreading doubtful information.
At first, I would have believed that you are just a confused individual, but, later on... after seeing the posts of yours, you are just here to push doubtful information to us.
For others may not be such a cultural shock as they are from years here on the JoS, but for me, whi has a lot of information from the xian BS sources, it is a hurtful as fuck attack to my brain reading the fake information from that blog.
The sigils from the Necronomicon from the JoS aren't a lie, as, like Blitzkreig himself stated, if the sigils were harmful or from other demons, outside the ones presented here, then wouldn't Satan disapprove such publishing of the information, and not from just anyone, but our HP?
It os easy to copy-paste BS from the occult blog post or some Pseudomonarchyia Daemonum or parts of Dictionnaire Infernal stuff by Jacques Colin De Plancy and not reading then theyou information that is presented on the JoS and then... the most shitty action... to throw with junk at an organization that provides knowledge to misguided individuals, like me, since the 2002.
It is like, for example, I say that the guide for the communication with Father Satan is fake, but without bringing any proof except of a 3-4 text-walled New Age BS post from one like the zillions occult blog posts and continue on this lie... and then... why the fuck not... push it continuously to members that are new, like me or the others who will join, and to the members who are from a lot of years here and have experience in the Spiritual Satanism field.
Taking the same post from the same blog and pushing it over and over here only tells that your intentions are only to damage the cultural baggage members with experience have and falsely incriminate the JoS with claims like there is no honesty, there is a lot of lies in the books published by the HPs of the JoS, but, again, without any valid and consistent proof.
I wouldn't be surprised if you are pai by the BSers to publish their posts so actively for at least 3 times from what I was able to count.
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=404226#p404226[/quote
We are not clowns by censoring and deleting your posts if they clearly and inexcusable breach the rules of this forum.
After all, if it weren't to be like this, then it would simply go very clear with your posts and you would have gone through the forums intact, but, this is not the case.
Maybe I need to remind you the rules of this forum:
1. We know Satan and his Demons are real beings. If you are LaVeyan, or feel otherwise, do not push your beliefs here.
2. People who sympathise with and/or support the enemies of Satan-[The Jews, Christians and Muslims]-WILL BE BANNED!
3. Blasphemy against Satan and/or his Demons will not be tolerated!
4. If you believe Satan and his Demons are evil, this is not the group for you, find another.
5. Do not try to push Wiccan or other non-Satanic creeds here.
6. Do not try to promote individuals, groups or organizations who bash the Joy of Satan. Your posts will be deleted and you will be banned.
7. Anyone who posts advocating anything illegal willand be banned.
8. Please be polite- flaming will not be tolerated.
9. No personally identifiable information should be used on your account [Real name, pictures etc]. We take your provacy seriously, you should do too.
10. Posters have the sole responsibility for their posts, and not the forums, moderators, or anyone else.
Also, as a last note on this reply... fundamentalism represents a totally different concept than the situational reality that is in the JoS.
Fundamentalism is the conceot in which individuals are very repugnant when it comes to opinions from other sources or questions about ideas and suggestion from other sources and only go straightforward with their ideas.
This concept doesn't apply to us as we are open to suggestions and as proof, I can clearly put the links to those two topics in which members can freely discuss about the improvements that need to be done in the JoS community or what they would like to see as an improvement in the JoS:
1. https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=79974
2. https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=79628
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