Questions for RED DAWN

[Serbon]

I wanted to ask you why you wrote those things on the enemy forum I won't mention the name of.
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"I don't consider myself a member of the Joy of Satan."
Why?
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"Truth be told, I often find my views are far too eclectic to be accepted there."
Which views? Tell us. Among our members, we also have many different views on many things, and accept different opinions.
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"Joy of Satan and (*enemy organisation) are both deeply flawed organizations."
How come? Explain a bit more, we can answer you.
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"I doubt any form of Satanic Unity can be achieved without great compensation, while nobody is willing to make such adjustments."
Joy of Satan stands for Satanic unity. We cannot work with the enemy who tried to infiltrate our clergy and destroy us from within. Read on the forums a bit more about them, HPHC wrote often about them.
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"I cannot imagine any Satanic organization other than the Joy of Satan having the influence to create a singular Satanic entity. It is quite unfortunate indeed."
Unfortunate? Why?

 

[RED DAWN]

I wanted to ask you why you wrote those things on the enemy forum I won't mention the name of.
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"I don't consider myself a member of the Joy of Satan."
Why?
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"Truth be told, I often find my views are far too eclectic to be accepted there."
Which views? Tell us. Among our members, we also have many different views on many things, and accept different opinions.
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"Joy of Satan and (*enemy organisation) are both deeply flawed organizations."
How come? Explain a bit more, we can answer you.
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"I doubt any form of Satanic Unity can be achieved without great compensation, while nobody is willing to make such adjustments."
Joy of Satan stands for Satanic unity. We cannot work with the enemy who tried to infiltrate our clergy and destroy us from within. Read on the forums a bit more about them, HPHC wrote often about them.
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"I cannot imagine any Satanic organization other than the Joy of Satan having the influence to create a singular Satanic entity. It is quite unfortunate indeed."
Unfortunate? Why?

I'm honestly surprised your post went through.

It's a complicated issue. I wasn't speaking to anyone on that forum in particular, I was just thinking out loud really. I don't think I can explain this without writing an essay about it. I'll try to keep this short.
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Q) "I don't consider myself a member of the Joy of Satan." Why? + "Which views? Tell us. Among our members, we also have many different views on many things, and accept different opinions."

A) I believe similar things that the JoS do but I allow more speculation, personal experiments and anecdotes to influence my beliefs. When I express these divergent views, it usually results in conflicts. I can give you 3 extreme examples that will get my point across: 1) I've experimented a lot with forcibly raising the kundalini before I was ready. 2) I'm willing to use jewish strategies/weapons against problematic people like the forum you mentioned. 3) I'm personally not able to speak to Satan or feel his presence, though I'm able to on some degree with many other Demons and spirits; regardless, I think the Joy of Satan's views regarding Satan make the most sense with my own experiences. Those 3 reasons alone have given many experienced conservative people good reason to suspect my intentions. Also I'm a founder of my own group that I'm heavily invested in, where even there I'm considered unorthodox.
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Q) "Joy of Satan and (*enemy organisation) are both deeply flawed organizations."

A) I have no intention to talk shit about the Joy of Satan. I hope to see this community grow in whatever way people generally would like it to.
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Q) "I doubt any form of Satanic Unity can be achieved without great compensation, while nobody is willing to make such adjustments."
Joy of Satan stands for Satanic unity. We cannot work with the enemy who tried to infiltrate our clergy and destroy us from within. Read on the forums a bit more about them, HPHC wrote often about them.

A) I'm aware the Joy of Satan has intentions to promote Satanic Unity, but it hasn't done this in a practical way and there might not be a practical way available. I've worked towards it myself for years, the more I know about different groups the more hopeless the situation appears. The problem is a lot of people like to claim they're "Satanists", yet can't even agree on whether Satan exists or not. There's even a lot of diversity in Theistic Satanism over how Satan is perceived and regarding antisemitism.

I agree there should be no attempt at cooperating with baldy, joola and magestein. I used them as a social experimental because I realized there was no hope for them, but I had wished that magestein would still be there and offer even more information than his accomplices. I had minor reasons to believe one of the AnonPosters were magestein, but I couldn't be certain.
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Q) "I cannot imagine any Satanic organization other than the Joy of Satan having the influence to create a singular Satanic entity. It is quite unfortunate indeed."
Unfortunate? Why?

A) As I mentioned earlier, the term "Satanic" is grossly misused by edgy atheists and reverse xians. For Theistic Satanism to become a "mainstream religion", the obvious challenge is unifying the Left Hand Path and generally rectifying how "Satanism" is perceived and practiced. Without this, Satanism will always be an ambiguous fringe group of outcasts. We don't have 20 more years to start over from scratch and create a "new Joy of Satan" as a template for this singular Satanic identity, instead we should recognize the Joy of Satan as the best candidate and continue forward in hard times ahead. I don't insist the Joy of Satan is perfect, instead I think the Clergy and the Community are challenged to make lemonade from crude oil. The Joy of Satan has accomplished a lot through evermore difficult times, and while I might not particularly always enjoy the flavour of Joy of Satan's lemonade, it's certainly better than the even more-so questionable dense black liquid of the enemy.
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Additionally and finally, I'm pleasantly surprised the Joy of Satan boasts a wide range of passionate volunteer contributors. I can only offer cooperation between the Joy of Satan and my own organization if doing so benefits either myself or my group in some way tangible. Some members in my circle view my interests here as unfounded, frankly I've been questioning myself too.

This engagement doesn't have to end with either me being friend or foe of the Joy of Satan, I'm very comfortable in the undefined shades of grey. My personal life hasn't been great currently, I came to the Joy to Satan community as a wounded animal, optimistic that this might be the time to engage in a mutually positive way-- I was wrong. The Joy of Satan's interests are not yet in line with my own organization's, though it is nearing. I have not yet been able to present a reasonable incentive, or rather a required compensation, to allow this cooperation in a way that is agreeable. I know the interest is theoretically present on both sides, but there remains to be some conflicts of interest that I have no ability or interest of dealing with currently. My mind must remain ready for more prioritized things.

AVE.

 

[Serbon]

I'm honestly surprised your post went through.

Why? Normally, my posts always go through, only once not because I mentioned my birth time.

I believe similar things that the JoS do but I allow more speculation, personal experiments and anecdotes to influence my beliefs. When I express these divergent views, it usually results in conflicts. I can give you 3 extreme examples that will get my point across: 1) I've experimented a lot with forcibly raising the kundalini before I was ready. 2) I'm willing to use jewish strategies/weapons against problematic people like the forum you mentioned.

You do know that by using hebrew occultism and sigils, you are empowering the hebrew occultism, right?

I'm personally not able to speak to Satan or feel his presence

You should advance more, participate in the Ritual Schedule we have now.

I'm aware the Joy of Satan has intentions to promote Satanic Unity, but it hasn't done this in a practical way and there might not be a practical way available. I've worked towards it myself for years, the more I know about different groups the more hopeless the situation appears. The problem is a lot of people like to claim they're "Satanists", yet can't even agree on whether Satan exists or not. There's even a lot of diversity in Theistic Satanism over how Satan is perceived and regarding antisemitism.

1. How haven't we done it in a practical way? The JoS is the bastion of Spiritual Satanism, read this:
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=68262
2. You can't "work towards Satanic Unity" by creating more and more diverse "satanic" groups.
3. Atheists aren't Satanists. They can call themself what they want, but they aren't Satanists.
4. The theistic "satanists" you refer to are blinded and are using hebrew occultism. They aren't of Satan, I recommend you to watch this:
https://odysee.com/@Commander.Cobra.666:5/Galaxy:6

we should recognize the Joy of Satan as the best candidate and continue forward in hard times ahead

Then do so.

I don't insist the Joy of Satan is perfect

What exactly isn't?

 

[Username]

You do know that by using hebrew occultism and sigils, you are empowering the hebrew occultism, right?

RED DAWN, I want you to know one thing and what you do after knowing it is your business.
The Gods detest dabblers in any and all forms. Those who use or try to use both hebrew magick and Satanic magick are strongly detested by the Gods. These people are called dabbler in their truest form.

You have to pick a side soon. Either you go there or come here. Do not delude yourself into thinking that you have 'choices'. Truth is you do have choice to join either side but cannot afford the consequences if you chose the wrong one. One choice will lead you to damnation and the other will lead you to salvation. Choose wisely and choose soon. I won't bother specifying which leads to damnation or salvation because at this point you should know which is what.

Satanism is first and foremost a holy ground to advance your soul while holding moral integrity at all times. Moral integrity would include not harming your brethren, not creating disunity within, participating in warfare to give something in return and most of all, not betraying Satan.

You can hold whatever views you want afterwards as long as the fruition or manifestation of your views do not harm anyone.

Again, choose wisely and choose soon.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

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Additionally and finally, I'm pleasantly surprised the Joy of Satan boasts a wide range of passionate volunteer contributors. I can only offer cooperation between the Joy of Satan and my own organization if doing so benefits either myself or my group in some way tangible. Some members in my circle view my interests here as unfounded, frankly I've been questioning myself too.

This engagement doesn't have to end with either me being friend or foe of the Joy of Satan, I'm very comfortable in the undefined shades of grey. My personal life hasn't been great currently, I came to the Joy to Satan community as a wounded animal, optimistic that this might be the time to engage in a mutually positive way-- I was wrong. The Joy of Satan's interests are not yet in line with my own organization's, though it is nearing. I have not yet been able to present a reasonable incentive, or rather a required compensation, to allow this cooperation in a way that is agreeable. I know the interest is theoretically present on both sides, but there remains to be some conflicts of interest that I have no ability or interest of dealing with currently. My mind must remain ready for more prioritized things.

AVE.

After having received your e-mails and everything it appears you are not really of the Joy of Satan, rather, as you specified, agree with some things in it and categorize yourself as a member of the broader LHP.

You have your own group and possibly your own views or aims, which are not really clarified. Regardless, as you express, the reason why you are here is because you recognize the Joy of Satan as the central group of accumulation for Satanists. That is great and acceptable, we know we have to do this.

That, as I said in private, does not necessitate you won't be accepted or something. It can in fact be the opposite. Yet, the non-clarified views of compensation or what you would want out of this, seem to reflect strange reforms which are simply not on the qualified level to make, ie, no, your group cannot change our own if this is the point you are trying to make.

It is, in other words, only the product of opinion and not a product of actual necessity.

I also don't understand specifically what you mean by your "own" organization. The reality is, anyone who is truly under Satan, must align themselves with Satan's interests. The Joy of Satan expresses these very clearly, but the issue remains that many people cannot really establish communication or are stuck in semantic reasons.

We understand this and therefore we are fully open. As you can see, our members are co-operative and despite of being strongly in the JoS, they all have their story and even their own direction in how they approve and form the greater body of Spiritual Satanists or JoS.

The only point I would consider a dangerous point in your posts [for yourself and your group primarily] is that by the use of a dying and decaying system, such as the Hebrew system, which is also linked to the enemy directly, you can only expect the worse and not expect positive outcomes out of it. It is borderline dangerous to do this, and it is no mystery that functional progress is stagnating. Member Username has explained to you why and this reply is basically the best reply that could be written.

As Serbon also highlighted, clarification of what is necessitated by you is necessary. We also understand how you might be going through a difficult time [and how this might involve your group]. So feel free to gain what knowledge or understanding necessary from JoS to improve it's condition.

Unless proven functionally wrong on our behalf, to say that something is not "Liked", is not enough of a reason for any reform, especially in cases where this contrary view has a debilitating outcome.

Be aware also that anyone who is positive towards the JoS or at least not hostile, is treated likewise by us.

 

[darkmonkey666]

To be fair I don't think he means using Hebrew magick and sigils. He means Jewish strategies as in methods of subversion or ways of coming across etc You can literally turn someone into a total puppet with this if need be. This works well if people are in positions of power over you. You can also get yourself out of any situation this way. This stuff actually works. But you have to learn it.

So far as ethics it really depends on who your using it on and what for. There are sometimes this is absolutely horrible and mean and shouldn't be done other times you just got yourself out of a bad situation or promoted good job.

For the record I already knew about all these techniques long before I even knew what a Jew was or knew about Satanism.
Playing both sides against the middle using emotions repeating stuff over and over not totally telling lies but omiting stuff projecting things onto other people etc.

I just knew about this stuff cause I am a Scorpio and smart I do admit as a kid and teen using a lot of it. Now what reason would I have of doing any of this I try to avoid "problem people" I am tired of drama and nonsense. It really isn't fun being around problem people enough to play these games. Why have them in your life.

 

[Pumpkin671]

Seems like RED DAWN is still figuring things out and trying to see what his best move would be, Username brought up a good point that RED DAWN needs to come to some sort of decision... whatever that might be.

 

[Serbon]

To be fair I don't think he means using Hebrew magick and sigils. He means Jewish strategies as in methods of subversion or ways of coming across etc

No, he was sending hebrew sigils to people

 

[Mastermind]

As Serbon also highlighted, clarification of what is necessitated by you is necessary.

Additionally and finally, I'm pleasantly surprised the Joy of Satan boasts a wide range of passionate volunteer contributors. I can only offer cooperation between the Joy of Satan and my own organization if doing so benefits either myself or my group in some way tangible. Some members in my circle view my interests here as unfounded, frankly I've been questioning myself too.
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I have not yet been able to present a reasonable incentive, or rather a required compensation, to allow this cooperation in a way that is agreeable. I know the interest is theoretically present on both sides, but there remains to be some conflicts of interest that I have no ability or interest of dealing with currently. My mind must remain ready for more prioritized things.

Looks like he's talking about the money.

 

[RED DAWN]

I'll address what everyone else asked about later. I'm not sure when.

I'll say for now that I was able to speak to Satan [at least in my opinion] for about a minute or two with clarity. I meditated for over 4 hours and stimulated my pineal gland afterwards, causing my head/brain to feel "cold waves", my eyes to excrete some kind of dry sticky tears/substance [that later seemed to be re-absorbed by the skin or evaporated] and cause much sensitivity. While my pineal was stimulated, I impulsively attempted to summon Satan. It seemed to work. I asked him if he knew HP Hooded Cobra and Satan said "Yes, I know who HP Hooded Cobra is", then laughed as if that was a stupid question. I asked him also about the ideas I had in mind. He told me I was an encumbrance. I was irritated with his response. After this I wasn't able to maintain the stimulation of the pineal gland and lost connection.

I never spoke to an entity like him, he had a very distinct personality. My astral senses perceived him the same way the Joy of Satan Clergy often describe him, which leads me to believe my interoperation might have been to a degree biased. Regardless, I figured that I should reveal Satan's response about HPHC if anyone was wondering about his credibility. I have no reason to lie in HPHC's favour. I'm not sure why speaking to Satan is more difficult than Demons and other spirits, but this was the first time I've ever been confident that I've genuinely spoke with him.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure why I perceive Satanic/Demonic energy to be purple when Satan's own aura is gold. There must be a reason, I just can't imagine what the reason could be currently.
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No, actually I will address something else quickly. Just because I rarely exploit enemy tools against themselves, it doesn't make me a rabbi. Satanic and jewish energy doesn't mix yes, I couldn't imagine someone using both conventionally. Apparently some people do, but I have no speculation on how. I don't pray to angels or meditate on the sephira, etc. I find jewish energy extremely unpleasant, and in the case of incorporating it I often expose myself to that energy. In my opinion it's similar to working with death energy, except jewish energy is often programmed specifically against Satanists and gentiles, thus quite efficient against us. When dealing with situations where an enemy is gentile, jewish energy should be just as effective. In the example with the sigil I have that is very reactive and maintained by them without any effort on my end, I have unorthodox versatility that might be favourable in usually unfavourable circumstances. Basically, it seems that if I get an advanced enemy gentile off guard I could in theory use this sigil against both of us, allowing another person to then attack them in their moment of weakness. This situation won't happen often, but when it does I'll have the option. "Modern problems require modern solutions". Considering that I find jewish energy so unpleasant and that I'm regularly attacked by the enemy, I don't really consider "joining the enemy" a practical solution to any of my problems. People who do often regret doing so, this is known yes. They have no regard for their subordinate's wellbeing, they only care about dominance and power over them.

 

[darkmonkey666]

To be fair I don't think he means using Hebrew magick and sigils. He means Jewish strategies as in methods of subversion or ways of coming across etc

No, he was sending hebrew sigils to people

Oh I didn't realize this.

 

[Pumpkin671]

To be fair I don't think he means using Hebrew magick and sigils. He means Jewish strategies as in methods of subversion or ways of coming across etc

No, he was sending hebrew sigils to people

That is no good.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

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I'll say for now that I was able to speak to Satan [at least in my opinion] for about a minute or two with clarity. I meditated for over 4 hours and stimulated my pineal gland afterwards, causing my head/brain to feel "cold waves", my eyes to excrete some kind of dry sticky tears/substance [that later seemed to be re-absorbed by the skin or evaporated] and cause much sensitivity. While my pineal was stimulated, I impulsively attempted to summon Satan. It seemed to work. I asked him if he knew HP Hooded Cobra and Satan said "Yes, I know who HP Hooded Cobra is", then laughed as if that was a stupid question. I asked him also about the ideas I had in mind. He told me I was an encumbrance. I was irritated with his response. After this I wasn't able to maintain the stimulation of the pineal gland and lost connection.

I never spoke to an entity like him, he had a very distinct personality. My astral senses perceived him the same way the Joy of Satan Clergy often describe him, which leads me to believe my interoperation might have been to a degree biased. Regardless, I figured that I should reveal Satan's response about HPHC if anyone was wondering about his credibility. I have no reason to lie in HPHC's favour. I'm not sure why speaking to Satan is more difficult than Demons and other spirits, but this was the first time I've ever been confident that I've genuinely spoke with him.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure why I perceive Satanic/Demonic energy to be purple when Satan's own aura is gold. There must be a reason, I just can't imagine what the reason could be currently.

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Father Satan can be rather difficult to contact because He is the most powerful and therefore the most busy. Why you saw Satan in the way you did, is because Father Satan is a Nordic from Orion, that is why He appears in the way we broadly refer to culturally as the pictures of JoS, which are very accurate, because of lack of a better term to describe this.

You can not be an encumbrance, but you must first clarify what you want or how you could help, or what your aims are. When you feel like you have, feel free to return and let us know. If you have serious aims, you could continue on this association and try to see how you can grow from it.

In regards to the hebrew stuff, the warning does stand.