Question #4743: How do we know the Gods aren't lying to us?

[AskSatanOperator]

Fair disclaimer, I am new. From the perspective of an outsider, what makes this belief special compared to other mainstream options? How do we know we're on the right path exactly? Do we trust someone's judgement? If so, wouldn't that be like christianity but with extra steps and changed figures. Sure, christians worship a fake idol, but how do we know we don't? So far, I can only take HP Hooded Cobra'a words for what they are, but trusting some people on the internet for spiritual advice doesn't seem all that exciting. Where are our Gods? How did They came to be? Why do they have all of these powers? I would like to find a more comprehensive guide on Spiritual Satanism that is not a website that reads like a blogpost. At the end of the day, that is pretty much what the JoS is. How do we know that the things in there came right from the Gods? Everyone can claim a "god" spoke to them like jewsus or muhammad for their respective religions, so what would make this one different? How do you have this conviction? Do you place your faith blindly, or do you have tangible proof that they exist? Why do They have multiple names depending on the civilization? How do we know Baalzebul is Zeus, for example? How did we find the runes? I think a bit of skepticism is much needed when dealing with the spiritual.

 

[LiliumS]

You have missed an important point: you have to experience spirituality yourself and know the Gods. Certain inner workings of a spiritual path cannot be explained with any data in hand, otherwise it would not be a spiritual path. Nor can I, speaking for myself, bring you my own evidence, because it is intrinsic to my path and my person (so they may not be valid for you or absurd). The JoS and the advice of others provide push or support when needed, they're not the beacon of your path, you are.

If you haven't already read it, I suggest you:

Doubt & Disbelief: Spiritual Satanism

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[Epiphany]

Fair disclaimer, I am new. From the perspective of an outsider, what makes this belief special compared to other mainstream options? How do we know we're on the right path exactly? Do we trust someone's judgement? If so, wouldn't that be like christianity but with extra steps and changed figures. Sure, christians worship a fake idol, but how do we know we don't? So far, I can only take HP Hooded Cobra'a words for what they are, but trusting some people on the internet for spiritual advice doesn't seem all that exciting. Where are our Gods? How did They came to be? Why do they have all of these powers? I would like to find a more comprehensive guide on Spiritual Satanism that is not a website that reads like a blogpost. At the end of the day, that is pretty much what the JoS is. How do we know that the things in there came right from the Gods? Everyone can claim a "god" spoke to them like jewsus or muhammad for their respective religions, so what would make this one different? How do you have this conviction? Do you place your faith blindly, or do you have tangible proof that they exist? Why do They have multiple names depending on the civilization? How do we know Baalzebul is Zeus, for example? How did we find the runes? I think a bit of skepticism is much needed when dealing with the spiritual.

Experience it for yourself.

 

[Hellenic SS]

Communicating with the Gods will resolve any and all doubts over time.

Doubt & Disbelief: Spiritual Satanism

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[Sun King]

From the perspective of an outsider, what makes this belief special compared to other mainstream options?

It's not a "belief", it's a path of transformation. If you noticed, the main point in SS is to work on your soul, transform it, open your astral senses and raise your kundalini and become a God. It's not comparable to blind faith religions. If you want to compare to something, try esoteric and occult paths. It's more similar to them than mainstream religions. Following Satanism like a mainstream religion with a different god will get you nowhere.

Do we trust someone's judgement?

No. You are free to not accept anything until you ask the Gods to confirm it.

Sure, christians worship a fake idol, but how do we know we don't?

Because "we" (you are an outsider so you aren't one of us, no offense) do not worship anybody. Satanism is a path of transformation, not worship.

Where are our Gods? How did They came to be? Why do they have all of these powers?

You have to read the JoS, it explains all that.

I would like to find a more comprehensive guide on Spiritual Satanism that is not a website that reads like a blogpost.

The JoS is as comprehensive as it can be. Over 1,000 pages of material, if you print it. And this doesn't even include the sermons and PDFs in Satan's Library.

How do we know that the things in there came right from the Gods? Everyone can claim a "god" spoke to them like jewsus or muhammad for their respective religions, so what would make this one different?

If you read the site, it says that you can ask the Gods directly. You can communicate with the Gods and ask them. You probably have the wrong idea. Reread the first paragraph of my reply to see what Satanism is about. It's focused on transformation of your soul and experiencing things for yourself, not believing.

You can try all these meditation techniques, open yourself to the astral and ask the Gods.

Do you place your faith blindly, or do you have tangible proof that they exist?

See above. Many of us have close, personal relationships with our Guardian Demon and other Gods.

Why do They have multiple names depending on the civilization?

Because they were the same beings but they were known under different names depending on the different cultures.

How do we know Baalzebul is Zeus, for example?

Compare their mythologies, many things are common between them. Baal a.k.a. Baal Zebul was a Sky and Thunder God just like Zeus. There's an entire field of study called "comparative mythology" which shows the parallels and similarities on gods in different pantheons. Besides asking the Gods themselves, obviously.

I think a bit of skepticism is much needed when dealing with the spiritual.

Using your left brain is not needed. What is needed is to be open and try things yourself.

Unlike Christians, nobody asks you here to believe anything you haven't experienced. Satanism is an experiential path. It's based on practice and experience and communication with the Gods.

You're not asked to believe everything you read, obviously. You're asked to try the practices and see for yourself. Practicing is the most important thing here. Intellectual philosophizing will get you nowhere.

 

[Sun King]

An important point to state here: Many people who have been Spiritual Satanists for a long time (including most of the long-time members you see in the forums) have been with Satan and the Gods in their past lives. So, when we read the site, it instantly "clicked" for us and we felt as we knew that information before but rediscovered it. So, we do did not need further confirmation, we already knew it in our soul. Others and I did the dedication ritual immediately and we felt like we came home after a long time of wandering elsewhere.

So, this may seem to you like blind faith, but it's not. You and many others obviously were not with Satan in your past lives and that's perfectly fine. You can practice and see for yourself if it is for you before you decide to become a Spiritual Satanist. Take your time before considering doing things like the Dedication Ritual. Spiritual Satanism doesn't force itself. Joining without understanding what it is about and merely just like Christians who were forced to convert or die, it does more harm that good, as Satanism is mostly about personal practice.

There's no such thing as a non-practicing Satanist. A "Satanist" who doesn't do daily power meditation is not a "Satanist". He doesn't receive any benefits and the Gods do not care for those who do not try to transform themselves and grow.

So I hope all this clears it up for you.

 

[NetemPtah]

what makes this belief special compared to other mainstream options?

Experience.

From the perspective of an outsider

Intuition. Intuition is the principle of knowledge.To be confirmed as refined knowledge, intuition needs experience, this may take some time.
Begin by purifying your soul, for you to experience.

 

[HPS Lydia]

There's no such thing as a non-practicing Satanist. A "Satanist" who doesn't do daily power meditation is not a "Satanist". He doesn't receive any benefits and the Gods do not care for those who do not try to transform themselves and grow.

The Gods are more understanding than this. It can take lifetimes for a person to reach the stage of working on their soul.

Anybody who dedicates their soul to Satan and puts in the effort to mentally deprogram from the enemy, and tries even a bit to connect to the Gods, is a Spiritual Satanist. Regardless of if they meditate or not.

The Gods care for even "regular people". They may have potential for their next life to develop further, and the Gods see this.

The first part of your post is spot-on though, I felt the connection and dedicated the day I found the JoS

 

[xlnt]

For me it's part knowing and part belief. One does not have to Know exactly everything. Christards are more like that but not me.

The knowing part is for example about the occult crimes of the Catholic church,
and their false claims of giving people "spiritual knowledge", which in fact has an anti-spiritual goal (removal of spiritual knowledge, "devil-marking it all" so to speak).
I also know that meditation and yoga has a whole real science backing it up. It works, for those who take it seriously at least.

Believing, well.. for example, I believe telepathy, levitation and seanses works, but can't say I know without any doubt.
Same with any existance of Gods/godlike beings. Seems reasonable to me though, that there are beings out there who would make anyone of us an ANT in comparison to them.
Zero overestimation on that one.

 

[ΑΡΗΣ_666]

Engage and experience for yourself, the material is there.

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