Question #3001: How do I learn astrology

[AskSatanOperator]

I have read in Jos website azazel astrology for satanist and did a complete study on it ..still I feel the description given there are vague ( I don't mean negative at all ) but most of the things given in azazel astrology are so positive ..I don't feel even that is adequate at all for me ..where do I learn astrology in detail

 

[MiniMe3388]

"Kickstart to Learning Astrology":
https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=85555

 

[Henu the Great]

In practice, ie. you draw charts and read them, over and over.

 

[Stormblood]

In practice, ie. you draw charts and read them, over and over.

I would add that, if they can dedicate a minimum of 40 hours a week to it, they will be a master in 5 years.

 

[Henu the Great]

In practice, ie. you draw charts and read them, over and over.

I would add that, if they can dedicate a minimum of 40 hours a week to it, they will be a master in 5 years.

I see what you did there. 40 hours in a week for every week for five years is a bit over 10,000 hours. The Ten Thousand Rule.

 

[AFODO]

In practice, ie. you draw charts and read them, over and over.

I would add that, if they can dedicate a minimum of 40 hours a week to it, they will be a master in 5 years.

I see what you did there. 40 hours in a week for every week for five years is a bit over 10,000 hours. The Ten Thousand Rule.

I'm interested how do one read a chart. Like what else do I need to do other than what JoS astro tells already. For example, I type in a date, than I can view what the planets placement indicates, as well as their aspects with other plantes. So if I note all of them shortly in a paper, what else do I need to do? What Else do I need to know and how would I learn them?

 

[Henu the Great]

I'm interested how do one read a chart. Like what else do I need to do other than what JoS astro tells already. For example, I type in a date, than I can view what the planets placement indicates, as well as their aspects with other plantes. So if I note all of them shortly in a paper, what else do I need to do? What Else do I need to know and how would I learn them?

Azazel's Astrology on JoS gives out a good base of information to start out on. Then it is simply a matter of practicing the art, and the level of the practitioner which includes personal development such as intuition, intelligence, wisdom, and the sort. I like to think that when a person has problems grasping the concepts laid out on JoS there have to be some other avenues of personal development that have to be undergone before actual divination practice.

 

[Stormblood]

In practice, ie. you draw charts and read them, over and over.

I would add that, if they can dedicate a minimum of 40 hours a week to it, they will be a master in 5 years.

I see what you did there. 40 hours in a week for every week for five years is a bit over 10,000 hours. The Ten Thousand Rule.

Hehe

 

[sinbad]

I would add that, if they can dedicate a minimum of 40 hours a week to it, they will be a master in 5 years.

What would a good study schedule look like? And I'm not OP, but what exactly warrants that length of time? Or is it purely in referrence to the "10, 000 hour" rule because that's fake.

The 10, 000 hour scam comes from early apprenticeships wherein "masters" who needed a labour force and conned young workers into being cheap labour for as long as possible by deliberately teach them slower than necessary.

Number of Iterations + Frequent/Quick Feedback Response(s) + Familiar Learning Environment + Concentrated and Deliberate Practice (i.e., Analysing Mistakes and Pushing Your Limits)

Consistently doing all of the above, with strict concentration, would easily shave that time down by 30-60% instead of the random approach to learning which most people take where they operate at 50% intensity. There's way more to it, but most people aren't taught "how to learn", and so they don't know how to optimise their learning to be efficient, which is why this 10, 000 hour nonsense is still promoted.

(Sorry for the rant).

 

[Stormblood]

What would a good study schedule look like? And I'm not OP, but what exactly warrants that length of time? Or is it purely in referrence to the "10, 000 hour" rule because that's fake.

The 10, 000 hour scam comes from early apprenticeships wherein "masters" who needed a labour force and conned young workers into being cheap labour for as long as possible by deliberately teach them slower than necessary.

Number of Iterations + Frequent/Quick Feedback Response(s) + Familiar Learning Environment + Concentrated and Deliberate Practice (i.e., Analysing Mistakes and Pushing Your Limits)

Consistently doing all of the above, with strict concentration, would easily shave that time down by 30-60% instead of the random approach to learning which most people take where they operate at 50% intensity. There's way more to it, but most people aren't taught "how to learn", and so they don't know how to optimise their learning to be efficient, which is why this 10, 000 hour nonsense is still promoted.

(Sorry for the rant).

The number 10,000 has a specific significance in numerology. You can have practices to boost your learning, but learning still remains infinite. Even a so-called "master" still has to learn and continuously improve to find more things out by direct experience or by keeping themselves updated on the work of others.

The more charts you analyse, the more you learn about astrology as "practice makes perfect", so to speak. If you are crunching 40 hours of chart a week, you'll be learning faster than someone who has the same environment variables but puts less effort in. If you casually work on learning, it will take ages to learn and you may even have to go back on normal concepts more than necessary.

Reading charts is the best because you learn by using your mind and soul to understand what's in a chart, compared to short-term memory exercises that bring nowhere. So, that ties well with what you said about "learning how to learn". The thing is that, if you want to be the best at something, you need to be serious about it. Your lifestyle needs to be changed so that it revolves around who you want to be. You need to build systems that unable you to do so.

Read charts, meditate on them, meditate on the zodiac/planets/elements/etc, read work from people who know what they are doing (i.e. HPS Lydia, HP HC, Lady Maxine, Karnonnos...), confront yourselves with those of them who are available to exchange insights...

 

[sinbad]

The number 10,000 has a specific significance in numerology.

I did not know that, very interesting. What exactly is significant about it? And what does it mean to "meditate" on the zodiac/planets/elements? People said that about sigils too, will something happen by virtue of doing this? Like an intuition will arise? I guess I'll just try it and find out lol.

I think I'd learn it very quickly, especially because my psyche is always focused on being able to predict future events in general and people's behaviours. And so, it is in perfect alignment with my soul to learn the practice of astrology, and I was actually obsessed with "typology" before this, which is like a bootleg astrology basically. Although, a lot of the knowledge and process of analysing people's personalities does translate over.

Currently I am studying the indigoray website, and memorising the Azazel's Astrology pages, all the planetary hours/days/signs etc., but then I am lost... I don't know what reliable source to follow after that. The Azazel's Astrology doesn't really explain the nuances, which I really want to know.

In comparison to the full potential of what astrology is capable of, percentage-wise, how much does the above cover compared to what I have left to learn?

 

[Stormblood]

And what does it mean to "meditate" on the zodiac/planets/elements? People said that about sigils too, will something happen by virtue of doing this? Like an intuition will arise? I guess I'll just try it and find out lol.

It's like meditating on sigils, yeah, or the same as training yourself to distinguish between different colours like in the Colour meditation. If your mind is fully focused on something with the intent of understanding it and expanding your expertise in it, you will train your soul to become better in that and garner new understandings.

Also, if you start working on some charts and publish your reading on the JoS Astrology forum asking for feedback from more experience astrologer, you will get that feedback which will help you grow.

 

[sinbad]

If your mind is fully focused on something with the intent of understanding it and expanding your expertise in it, you will train your soul to become better in that and garner new understandings.

I've noticed that when I actually care about the topic hidden knowledge tends to "reveal itself" to me and I receive very abstract ideas that are oft way ahead of their time.

Also, when you say "train your soul", I've had the impression that when an individual engages in any serious development or craftsmanship be it a musician, a surgeon, or say, a "football player" he actually changes species into that of his designated field. He becomes a sub-species of human, in a sense...

Would you say this is an accurate description of soul-work in relation to mastery?

Also, if you start working on some charts and publish your reading on the JoS Astrology forum asking for feedback from more experience astrologer, you will get that feedback which will help you grow.

Also, thank you, and I will definitely do this.

 

[Karnonnos [JG]]

In addition to studying it relentlessly as Stormblood said, you have to know people. There is no better substitute in Astrology than knowing people because only then do you get the specific nuances of how others work. This can be difficult for this generation.

Case in point: HPS Maxine knew a woman with an exact Sun in Taurus-Venus in Taurus conjunction. She hogged the work bathroom for hours to do her hair and makeup. She took hours before work to do her hair and makeup. She never missed her beauty appointment on a specific day, even if her kids were starving. This wasn't out of inadequacy, it was out of a blatant superiority complex.

Plenty of people were born the same day as that lady. and, when the Sun transits through Taurus, it often forms a conjunction with Venus. Not everyone with a Sun in Taurus, Venus in Taurus conjunction is like this woman, especially if things antagonistic to the tendency of the Sun and Venus are prominent. But it always manifests in some way, even a minor way. Someone like this could express their ego through needing excessive stability. Like talking forever to make 'perfect food' that looks pretty but goes cold. They could be fanatical about having sex a certain way that makes them feel secure and 'do no wrong' but irritates all their partners, or is ultraconservative, or they go apeshit when their partners put their hair out of place (literally or figuratively). They may get irrationally irate if someone doesn't worship their pretty household objects.

If you're more antisocial, autobiographies and biographies, or reacting to current events involving public figures, are your best bet, but be aware, these can involve lies. And to get a fuller picture, you have to read about people you may not like, or are even interested in, but this is a necessity to doing Astrology well - ESPECIALLY with Synastry. Unfortunately, not all publicly available birth dates are reliable either; some celebrities do lie about their age [then again, so do people irl...]. Historical times of birth are shaky at best.

Public figures will always have more 'skewed' Astrology than the norm too because they're famous (or infamous, or victims of something).

Another thing is that sometimes things on a Chart can mean different things when it involves a person on a lower plane of development versus someone on a higher one. The birth chart of a mental defective/disabled is obvious with that one, but it applies when it concerns average vs. higher beings too.

Some people are a mix of both; they may have many high qualities but are bombarded by hideous bad luck and shit circumstances that keeps them trapped, especially if they've been cursed. The adage HP Cobra used (I think) that 'the highest were brought to the lowest keel' under the enemy applies here.

 

[sinbad]

In addition to studying it relentlessly as Stormblood said, you have to know people. There is no better substitute in Astrology than knowing people because only then do you get the specific nuances of how others work. This can be difficult for this generation.

Case in point: HPS Maxine knew a woman with an exact Sun in Taurus-Venus in Taurus conjunction. She hogged the work bathroom for hours to do her hair and makeup. She took hours before work to do her hair and makeup. She never missed her beauty appointment on a specific day, even if her kids were starving. This wasn't out of inadequacy, it was out of a blatant superiority complex.

Plenty of people were born the same day as that lady. and, when the Sun transits through Taurus, it often forms a conjunction with Venus. Not everyone with a Sun in Taurus, Venus in Taurus conjunction is like this woman, especially if things antagonistic to the tendency of the Sun and Venus are prominent. But it always manifests in some way, even a minor way. Someone like this could express their ego through needing excessive stability. Like talking forever to make 'perfect food' that looks pretty but goes cold. They could be fanatical about having sex a certain way that makes them feel secure and 'do no wrong' but irritates all their partners, or is ultraconservative, or they go apeshit when their partners put their hair out of place (literally or figuratively). They may get irrationally irate if someone doesn't worship their pretty household objects.

If you're more antisocial, autobiographies and biographies, or reacting to current events involving public figures, are your best bet, but be aware, these can involve lies. And to get a fuller picture, you have to read about people you may not like, or are even interested in, but this is a necessity to doing Astrology well - ESPECIALLY with Synastry. Unfortunately, not all publicly available birth dates are reliable either; some celebrities do lie about their age [then again, so do people irl...]. Historical times of birth are shaky at best.

Public figures will always have more 'skewed' Astrology than the norm too because they're famous (or infamous, or victims of something).

Another thing is that sometimes things on a Chart can mean different things when it involves a person on a lower plane of development versus someone on a higher one. The birth chart of a mental defective/disabled is obvious with that one, but it applies when it concerns average vs. higher beings too.

Some people are a mix of both; they may have many high qualities but are bombarded by hideous bad luck and shit circumstances that keeps them trapped, especially if they've been cursed. The adage HP Cobra used (I think) that 'the highest were brought to the lowest keel' under the enemy applies here.

I've read about that story before, and I found it fascinating. It's become harder to dislike people outright knowing it's somewhat out of their control.

I wish there was a way to find out people's birth times, I was hoping the Gods somehow had a way to reveal this information or through meditation. I tried to go through public records/archives, but it's mostly unreliable. And so, it's quite difficult to relate various natal placements to specific behaviours and build my understanding.

What I'm getting from all this, though, is that astrology is a very nuanced art form that can't be studied from an armchair. One has to actually be on the battlefield in order to gauge the terrain first-hand.

 

[Stormblood]

I've noticed that when I actually care about the topic hidden knowledge tends to "reveal itself" to me and I receive very abstract ideas that are oft way ahead of their time.

Also, when you say "train your soul", I've had the impression that when an individual engages in any serious development or craftsmanship be it a musician, a surgeon, or say, a "football player" he actually changes species into that of his designated field. He becomes a sub-species of human, in a sense...

Would you say this is an accurate description of soul-work in relation to mastery?

I would say something similar happens. In practice, you are growing specific subsets of abilities and accumulating karma/work toward that direction. Your soul is growing specialised, yes. At least, that's my understanding.

What Karnonnos said is very important as well.

 

[sinbad]

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Off-topic, but I just realised that that's Kircheis in your PFP, lol. LotGH is very based. Probably one of the only positive depictions of Nazi's in media that's also very well-made... The modern animated version looks dodgy af tho.

 

[Stormblood]

Off-topic, but I just realised that that's Kircheis in your PFP, lol. LotGH is very based. Probably one of the only positive depictions of Nazi's in media that's also very well-made... The modern animated version looks dodgy af tho.

I only watched the first season of the modern version. Compared to the earlier version, I can say that the graphics is better and that characters look more NS with their tidier hairstyles. Other than that, I don't know much. I chose Kircheis because of his appearance (similar to me and my past lives), his career and his position, among things.

 

[sinbad]

I only watched the first season of the modern version. Compared to the earlier version, I can say that the graphics is better and that characters look more NS with their tidier hairstyles. Other than that, I don't know much. I chose Kircheis because of his appearance (similar to me and my past lives), his career and his position, among things.

I like his personality. He is very strategic and kind-hearted. An idealist, but not a fool, and willing to do what's necessary.