I started a spell to improve their view of me...

[Symmachos-ZEUS/SHAITAN]

I started a spell that gives me recognized value in front of a person. I didn't want to interfere with free personal feelings, so I'm simply using the Runes KENAZ ×36, WUNJO ×36 and TIWAZ ×36, twice a day, morning and evening, in the hours of the Sun starting today, to improve the way she looks at me.

Obviously the energy is directed at me and not at her, basically it's no different from those who go to the gym to improve their physique to be attractive or start studying something for the same reason. Only I already do things like that for myself and I simply wanted it to be recognized by her too.

I know it won't replace a spell for love, affection or friendship, but still does it make sense if my purpose is Venusian (i.e. related to a relationship with her and not just to "look cool")? Obviously since it's two spell sessions, I'm also doing two meditation sessions.

 

[HadesWithin666]

I have seen trough experience that instead of doing a large amount of vibrations at once , it is better to actually just break it into two and do it once morning and once evening or like 8 hours difference at least, then the energy it reconnects , no matter what you're doing , we attract others "unwillingly" trough our desires , being powerful does that to you , there's things deep inside down of us that we don't even know ourselves , wishing "secretly" deep down, I think you are into her and that's alright and I see that you understood , if you had time to check the Love Spell I have posted , where we've also had a chat before in this very regard.

I think that's okay that one should do as he pleases and experience himself , you do you , always.

 

[Henu the Great]

I have seen trough experience that instead of doing a large amount of vibrations at once , it is better to actually just break it into two and do it once morning and once evening or like 8 hours difference at least, then the energy it reconnects , no matter what you're doing , we attract others "unwillingly" trough our desires , being powerful does that to you , there's things deep inside down of us that we don't even know ourselves , wishing "secretly" deep down, I think you are into her and that's alright and I see that you understood , if you had time to check the Love Spell I have posted , where we've also had a chat before in this very regard.

I think that's okay that one should do as he pleases and experience himself , you do you , always.

Why are you still justifying ignoring the free will of others? Who even does that? Stop it.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

I started a spell that gives me recognized value in front of a person. I didn't want to interfere with free personal feelings, so I'm simply using the Runes KENAZ ×36, WUNJO ×36 and TIWAZ ×36, twice a day, morning and evening, in the hours of the Sun starting today, to improve the way she looks at me.

Obviously the energy is directed at me and not at her, basically it's no different from those who go to the gym to improve their physique to be attractive or start studying something for the same reason. Only I already do things like that for myself and I simply wanted it to be recognized by her too.

I know it won't replace a spell for love, affection or friendship, but still does it make sense if my purpose is Venusian (i.e. related to a relationship with her and not just to "look cool")? Obviously since it's two spell sessions, I'm also doing two meditation sessions.

Are you doing this whole workaround just to avoid doing a love spell?

I mean there should be nothing wrong doing a love spell attracting someone you like who’s also single and available, it actually should be encouraged, magick is to attract and manifest our desires, do you desire this girl? Then there should be no hangups with this, and use your power.

Personally, I don’t like your mindset regarding this, it feels like you’re consciously limiting yourself and avoiding doing what’s needed to get who you want, for imagined moral rules that need to be upheld regarding this, sounds similar to how a xian would think regarding magick.

If you really want someone you should attract them to you, especially if they would be good to you, and you would be good to them. If they are negative then I would say detach yourself instead.

Why do you think the love spell is on the JoS website then? Love magick and sex magick has been here for ages.

 

[HadesWithin666]

Why are you still justifying ignoring the free will of others? Who even does that? Stop it.

What words and things precisely gave you the impression and perception that I'm ignoring others free will? Just because someone sends energy into somebody else? You're not considering my intent(neither the way of doing it), I might be beneficial for many that I encounter and form relationships trough energy, some are native born more psychological some more spiritual, some more better psychically . I think you're focusing too much pointing fingers instead of saying why you're doing this. You can't know it all, therefore you can't tell me to stop something that's not the same as you think it is.

 

[Symmachos-ZEUS/SHAITAN]

Are you doing this whole workaround just to avoid doing a love spell?

I mean there should be nothing wrong doing a love spell attracting someone you like who’s also single and available, it actually should be encouraged, magick is to attract and manifest our desires, do you desire this girl? Then there should be no hangups with this, and use your power.

Personally, I don’t like your mindset regarding this, it feels like you’re consciously limiting yourself and avoiding doing what’s needed to get who you want, for imagined moral rules that need to be upheld regarding this, sounds similar to how a xian would think regarding magick.

If you really want someone you should attract them to you, especially if they would be good to you, and you would be good to them. If they are negative then I would say detach yourself instead.

Why do you think the love spell is on the JoS website then? Love magick and sex magick has been here for ages.

I agree with you, in fact the reason why I didn't want to do a love spell for now is because I wanted to give her concrete reasons to love me first. For example, I didn't like her "loving me so much" if she can't even appreciate all the things I've managed to become. It seemed like "half love" to me.

When I talked about free feelings I meant that I wanted to improve my view of her, if she loves me because I forced the situation without there being anything to love, I don't like it. If instead she understands my value, then I can do a love spell on her.

But it saddened me that she fell in love with me without understanding that I was actually worth more than the standard she's used to, which maybe her exes fall into, who the only thing they know how to do is... have no value and live like NPCs, with low IQ, incapable of fighting, spiritually dead, and who don't even have any of my practical knowledge.

No, I wanted her to understand what I was. Not to compare myself of course, but to clearly show my value, in fact today I was thinking of modifying the work and replacing Kenaz with Fehu. So Fehu + Wunjo + Tiwaz, which represent different types of honor...

 

[MercuryWisdom]

I agree with you, in fact the reason why I didn't want to do a love spell for now is because I wanted to give her concrete reasons to love me first. For example, I didn't like her "loving me so much" if she can't even appreciate all the things I've managed to become. It seemed like "half love" to me.

When I talked about free feelings I meant that I wanted to improve my view of her, if she loves me because I forced the situation without there being anything to love, I don't like it. If instead she understands my value, then I can do a love spell on her.

But it saddened me that she fell in love with me without understanding that I was actually worth more than the standard she's used to, which maybe her exes fall into, who the only thing they know how to do is... have no value and live like NPCs, with low IQ, incapable of fighting, spiritually dead, and who don't even have any of my practical knowledge.

No, I wanted her to understand what I was. Not to compare myself of course, but to clearly show my value, in fact today I was thinking of modifying the work and replacing Kenaz with Fehu. So Fehu + Wunjo + Tiwaz, which represent different types of honor...

Yeah I get it brother. Best of luck.

 

[WoadWarrior]

You seem to have somewhat misunderstood the notion of free will in relation to witchcraft, to those who are spiritually blind they essentially have no free will to begin with, they are enslaved to their karma, that is why Lucifer is a liberating force in our lives as he gives as the power and knowledge to escape these karmic patterns, when you apply a love spell to someone else you are essentially introducing another karmic pattern they are blind to, its not really robbing them of free will any more than conventional means of attraction do, one could argue its unethical as it begins a relationship with a secret and a serious power imbalance but its not exactly removing someone's free will any more so than your natal charts naturally attracting one another does.

The JoS would not have a love spell on the site if it was in any way comparable to taking someone's consent, but as it is a powerful way to influence the karmic patterns of another it must be done sensibly and with a consideration to their desires and benefit, in essence it must be used morally and in accordance with good ethics, but the act of a love spell in of itself is no more morally dubious than using your aura to make yourself more attractive its simply more direct and thus should be done so ethically.

Love spells are tricky because they can facilitate two people being together who simply do not belong together, its not the act of facilitation thats unethical its the improper application, free will is a supremely complex topic and is more of a gradient than a binary.

But if you are concerned about the morality then your plan should work fine and when it comes to using our powers it is better to err on the side of caution if you have moral concerns than to plow ahead and run the risk of violating the decrees of the Gods, so your definitely going about this the right way IMO.