There are a few crazy people who try, but they are usually weird people like the '90 year old lone fisherman', or others like the bums who preach the end of the world.ghost kid said:Have you ever had a christian come up to you and talk about converting you in a nice way?With out being a bible thumper?
Also have you ever talked to a christian like how I mentioned in the above question?
ghost kid said:Have you ever had a christian come up to you and talk about converting you in a nice way?With out being a bible thumper?
Also have you ever talked to a christian like how I mentioned in the above question?
ghost kid said:Have you ever had a christian come up to you and talk about converting you in a nice way?With out being a bible thumper?
Also have you ever talked to a christian like how I mentioned in the above question?
It actually happened recently for me when I was waiting for the train and an old lady came and was pretending to look for someone else. Then out of a sudden she said „You know that jesus is coming soon?”ghost kid said:Have you ever had a christian come up to you and talk about converting you in a nice way?With out being a bible thumper?
Also have you ever talked to a christian like how I mentioned in the above question?
To answer them that it was pathetic, no?The Alchemist7 said:It actually happened recently for me when I was waiting for the train and an old lady came and was pretending to look for someone else. Then out of a sudden she said „You know that jesus is coming soon?”ghost kid said:Have you ever had a christian come up to you and talk about converting you in a nice way?With out being a bible thumper?
Also have you ever talked to a christian like how I mentioned in the above question?
I did not bother and just told her yes I am a xian and jesus is coming and she tried to sell me bibles and left. I think is better not to engage in religious discussions especially surrounded by many people, and especially not with a 75 years old grandma that has nothing better to do than telling people randomly that jesus is coming lol
The Alchemist7 said:It actually happened recently for me when I was waiting for the train and an old lady came and was pretending to look for someone else. Then out of a sudden she said „You know that jesus is coming soon?”ghost kid said:Have you ever had a christian come up to you and talk about converting you in a nice way?With out being a bible thumper?
Also have you ever talked to a christian like how I mentioned in the above question?
I did not bother and just told her yes I am a xian and jesus is coming and she tried to sell me bibles and left. I think is better not to engage in religious discussions especially surrounded by many people, and especially not with a 75 years old grandma that has nothing better to do than telling people randomly that jesus is coming lol
If we assume that jewsus’ death and resurrection happened exactly as described in the bible, we must consider the following...
People used to kill animals as offerings to god. Before the story of jewsus, animal sacrifice was common in religious life because as Paul said, the wages of sin is death. Today we value our possessions just like ancient people did. But while ours are things like cars, computers, and smartphones, theirs were animals, food, clothing, transportation, and financial security were all accomplished with animals. When you wrong somebody, a way to show them the seriousness of your regret is to sacrifice one of your prized possessions for that purpose. We don't usually do this today but, think about the underpinning logic of such an action. Imagine if your mother were upset with you for playing games on your PlayStation instead of doing your chores and earning her forgiveness was so important to you, that you smashed your PlayStation right in front of her. Since actions speak louder than words, if anything, that would show her that you are very serious about wanting her forgiveness. You gave up something important to you for something that's even more important to you, her forgiveness. In ancient times, when you did something immoral, a meaningful physical way to atone for that would have been to sacrifice one or more of your prized possessions, your animals, a physical demonstration of disadvantaging yourself to gain the favor and forgiveness of god.
This concept is the very base of xianity and your acceptance or rejection of a certain sacrifice is the central question upon which xianity exists. It's the foundational principle upon which the entire religion hinges. The reason xians don't typically sacrifice animals anymore is because of the substitutional sacrifice of jewsus. Both were means to the same end to account for sin or so we think. Animal sacrifice was also supposed to illustrate and foreshadow jewsus' sacrifice.
But does this make sense in the way it's typically perceived and practiced?
The first important distinction is that when an animal is sacrificed, it does not come back to life. The animal is a permanent loss. If amongst your flock you had an animal that comes back to life, how meaningful would it be to offer up that particular animal as a sacrifice? What are you losing? How are you disadvantaging yourself at all?
If your property or that which you value simply comes back to you after you lose it, there is no loss, no price, no sacrifice. If your mother knew that your PlayStation repairs itself, would smashing it in front of her have been nearly as impactful a statement about your desire for her forgiveness?
A second distinction is that animal sacrifices were not retroactive, like jewsus' sacrifice. First came sin and then came the sacrifice. The opposite is so for everyone who has ever lived after jewsus' death. It would be shallow and insincere to kill an animal as an insurance policy, just in case you sin in the future or to preemptively perform a sacrifice today because you plan on sinning tomorrow. That way the sacrifice loses most of its meaning because you can sin with the assurance that a sacrifice has already been made on your behalf. A preemptive sacrifice would be more transactional and show that you valued this sin more than the sacrifice. When it comes to jewsus, the assurance that your sins have already been covered with a sacrifice becomes a consideration for literally every sin, making it nearly impossible for the sacrifice to have meaning.
Under xianity you don't have to be accountable for anything you do.
A third distinction is that animals do not choose to be sacrificed. They were chosen by their owners. How would the meaning of the sacrificed change if it were the animal that volunteered to be sacrificed, thus taking the difficult decision away from the animal's owner? The focus would shift from it being the owner's act to it being the animals act. This would fundamentally alter the dynamic of atonement. Yet this is exactly what we see in xianity. jewsus, unlike an animal was a willing participant in his own sacrifice.
A fourth distinction is that people killed animals. they valued. That's the very reason their sacrifice is supposed to have meaning. Did the people who killed jewsus value him? No, of course not. Not only didn't they value him but they took pleasure in killing him. For whom was jewsus truly a sacrifice? Think about it.
Finally, a fifth distinction is that animals were killed specifically to be a sacrifice for the people who killed them. Sacrifice must be an intentional act for it to be considered a sacrifice but the people who killed jewsus did not intend for him to be a sacrifice at all. When a person offered an animal to be sacrificed, it was specifically to answer for their sin, but in xianity, god valued jewsus and intentionally offered jewsus to be sacrificed. Given what we know about sacrifice this denotes that god did something wrong and god offered a valued sacrifice to atone for god's wrongdoing because sacrificing jewsus would not be a logical way for human beings to atone. It would be a logical way for god to atone. jewsus never belonged to us. He belonged to god. jewsus was god’s animal and god's sacrifice, but a sacrifice to whom? Us.
What if xianity only makes sense if it's god who is asking for our forgiveness and what if that could explain why jewsus focused upon the value of forgiveness. If that is not the case, then we are forced to consider this illustration. You are living before the time of jewsus. You are going to sin in the near future. So a goat that does not even belong to you seeks out a pack of wolves of its own volition and the wolves kill it. Then the goat comes back to life and returns to safety. Years later, someone tells you about the goat that sacrificed itself on your behalf and if you believe and accept that story, the debt for your sin would be paid, regardless of whether you committed theft, rape, or murder with zero restitution paid to your actual victims. Now it would take thousands of years of entrenched hegemonic, dogmatic indoctrination for most people to accept that as any sort of sacrifice or justice, but, as it just so happens, that is where we're at right now.
I doubt an old granny will ever understand these things, eventhough they are self-obvious. Generally I don't bother to have any religious discussions with anybody, I avoid them as much as I can. Whenever involved, I just give such ignorant replies that don't lead anywhere to end the conversation quick, especially that I come from a place where the vast majority of the population is very brainwashed with christianity, to the point where such grannies like the one who came to me would donate plenty money from their small pension to the churches because „churces are poor and need donations to keep existing”. Actually I know for a fact in my country there is a sort of religious mafia that control most churches and priests have to give a part of their donations to their superiors so they can keep preaching in these churches and make plenty money for themselves as well. Is no point to debate with people that are so brainwashed that aren't aware even about such obvious things. They see priests with cars that cost nearly as much as their houses but they don't care, they keep donating money to the chuch, these people are to be avoided as they are lost causes. The granny coming to me was probably very close to that kind of person.FuckYu_666 said:You were telling them that an adult is supposed to look reality in the face, and that even a modicum of intelligence can tell that the church exploits people for money.
Answer them next time:The Alchemist7 said:I doubt an old granny will ever understand these things, eventhough they are self-obvious. Generally I don't bother to have any religious discussions with anybody, I avoid them as much as I can. Whenever involved, I just give such ignorant replies that don't lead anywhere to end the conversation quick, especially that I come from a place where the vast majority of the population is very brainwashed with christianity, to the point where such grannies like the one who came to me would donate plenty money from their small pension to the churches because „churces are poor and need donations to keep existing”. Actually I know for a fact in my country there is a sort of religious mafia that control most churches and priests have to give a part of their donations to their superiors so they can keep preaching in these churches and make plenty money for themselves as well. Is no point to debate with people that are so brainwashed that aren't aware even about such obvious things. They see priests with cars that cost nearly as much as their houses but they don't care, they keep donating money to the chuch, these people are to be avoided as they are lost causes. The granny coming to me was probably very close to that kind of person.FuckYu_666 said:You were telling them that an adult is supposed to look reality in the face, and that even a modicum of intelligence can tell that the church exploits people for money.
ghost kid said:Have you ever had a christian come up to you and talk about converting you in a nice way?With out being a bible thumper?
Also have you ever talked to a christian like how I mentioned in the above question?
NinRick said:Most of those people are weak and very weak in character, it is easy to overwhelm them with your presence, so they already know they shouldn’t try to convert you.
Aquarius said:When I went to school, once a year some degenerates would stay in front of the school gates and gave a xian booklet to all the kiddos, i got one from the fuckers and threw it on the street. Then procedeed to convince all my schoolmates to throw all the booklets they got in the bin, which I think I succedeed in.
GoldenxChild1 said:NinRick said:Most of those people are weak and very weak in character, it is easy to overwhelm them with your presence, so they already know they shouldn’t try to convert you.
I like the way you said that. Most Xian's shrink when you tell them off. Unless of course they're with their "Church Family" or over the Internet; then apparently they have no fear.
"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Satan