WiseDragon said:
Gentiles who have a really bad natal chart with strong tendencies towards misfortune and disasters. People who are very violent or insane ecc. All of this is in their soul. But did they deserve to end up there? Or it just happened?
Imagine a kid who grew up in an abusive environment, their parents were alcoholic, into shitty things etc. This would show in their chart as Saturn, Neptune maybe Mars inflections in the chart + 4th/8th/12th house involvement of planets like this. These planets in certain arrangements are beneficial for people in things like discipline (which manifests firstly as restrictive situations in one's personal life) and also tendency to spirituality, dreaming of better situations (of Neptune) and whatnot which is key for someone in those situations, to create this dream and go after it.
People who don't have this cursed sort of pressure will have it easier, but have to rely on their own sense of assertion, which wanes when someone is more privileged and can get what they want easier. When you are spoon-fed you don't appreciate the work others have to put in to achieve the same high life quality, which is synonymous with why the Gods don't just lift up people who think they are going to spoon feed them but only if they are serious about actually progressing. Spoon feeding destroys assertion, unless you're a baby. The way in which fortune (which is of Jupiter) does manifest though will usually come through the family who have laboured before the individual, bought a house and have enough money to pay for higher education, mobile phones etc. etc. Which they themselves couldn't initially afford. The other more refined and elusive way this manifests is luck in general in someone's whole provenance, a person that never experiences the crap of life- to starve, to be beaten up etc. Because they always seem to find what they need in their city or town even if their family is not so wealthy, or helpful for them. They always manage to dodge trouble like the description of Sun or Mars in Sagittarius being "bailed out of even drastic situations"
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/SUN.html
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/MARS.html
Our kid may have some of this type of energy going on as well.
When it comes to people who don't have things so easy this is to do with what exactly both their family, and the society/community/nation around them have both achieved to benefit the life of the individual before they were alive (which reflects in the chart). In the case of someone with a poor family in their natal provenance, they may still benefit in such a way as it turns out the government had instated some type of socialist programs which go on to aid this person when they first go to public school etc. Also if other things go on in their more immediate environment, the town they live in, which helps them in this subtle way through 'luck'. People in the same town who's families don't dream of richness because they are already rich will not go to the local library and study books for example because they think they are secure, meanwhile our kid is expanding his mind and spending his time usefully because he wants to achieve this and move on from his family's poverty. And ultimately he/she will supercede the wealthy people in their own community because they actually had a stronger drive and reason to put the work in due to being pressured by their reality and the lack of a legacy
their family provided which could secure them. Such people have to work in jobs and such already from day one to provide for the household and so forth, so they also won't suffer from being out of touch with reality, or slobs. The rich family who never worked properly a day in their life because they inherited wealth, eventually lose everything and has to live on the same street as our kid used to, and will surely perish unless someone in that family heeds their reality and starts working.
This is how Saturn and Jupiter work in this specific conceptualisation
With regards to people who are very violent or insane, I would say that this is not understood exactly yet in modern terms and can't be explained in a similar way as above as it deals with the raw principles of energy and how it creates and regenerates a person's mind. Potential to insanity and whatnot- only shows in a chart and it is only certain insanity or mental disorder if combined with other factors which show a more certain potential to the point of "okay 100% this person is going to have issues which are overt" (and if there are transits to happen which will activate this insanity which the person or people who are aware of this person's chart should watch out for when those transits happen). I think if this person is educated enough, meditates and has a strong awareness then insanity loses its role here as a term because the same way what is regarded as insanity is seen in a chart is the same way spiritual and psychic strength is seen in a chart. People who are gonna be violent because they have a prominent Mars or Pluto may not be violent at all if they develop similarly, as the indications of those planets then just become focused energy as opposed to traumas.
Actual insanity in a chart is more specific than above, its a whole load of stuff seen together and thus quite uncommon. Just having planets in the 12th house for example making you insane means that 30-50% of people on Earth are insane. Whats more realistic here is that 30-50% of people have noted hidden traumas of from oversensitivity which 12th house planets cause, actual insanity in Earth's population is more like less than 1 or 2% with a lot of those institutionalised being literally just 12th house type people being misunderstood by modern science psychologists. Not all of these people will have serious issues and if they do they will be secret and not overt like a schizoid serial killer level.
