A Few Questions

[VedicWisdom]

Greetings everyone. Old member here, I've been lurking the forums lately and decided to create this account to ask a few questions related to the new progressive changes.

To begin with, I'm no troll. I love the community and everyone here. I have the deepest respect for clergy, especially @Hp. Hoodedcobra666.

That being said, I admit I'm very confused about the recent revelations about Satan being literally Zeus. Historically, it's quite easy to see how Zeus and the Olympians or Indra and the Devas became Satan and the Demons. I completely agree with all the evidence that has been shared to back this up.

But there's something nagging at my mind... High Priestess Maxine always referred to both as separate beings. She may have been thrown off by the jews creating their Satanic lore of a Satan and Beelzebul ruling hell, but in her own experiences they were separate beings.

And this isn't a one off error, it's all over her posts and the old JoS website. For starters, HPS Maxine never mentioned freeing Father Satan when she was doing these rituals. However, she mentioned freeing Zeus. You can find the details of this account here.

Beelzebub

Quote from the page: "My experience- I saw him for the first time when I asked for his assistance in creating this webpage about him. He appeared to me with platinum blond hair and darker eyebrows, wearing a white robe. This was the first time I saw him. I heard his voice a long time ago and it was raspy, but when he spoke to me recently, the raspiness was gone. This is probably because he is now free."

How could she not tell when she met Him in this instance and all the others they likely did, that it is the same being as Father Satan whom she has endlessly mentioned having encountered?

Her first encounter with Father Satan is also different from the one she describes with Zeus. You can find her first encounter with Father Satan in this old audio sermon shared on YouTube. Clearly they seem to be two different beings.

She describes the encounter from around 2:00 in the above sermon. So, she had different first encounters with the two Gods. Even the way she describes them is different, like Father Zeus having platinum blond hair and Father Satan having light blond hair. I don't get why Father Zeus would appear to her as two different beings, or how she never figured it out or said it in the past, that they are the same being.

Even over the years she made the distinction between the two Gods. There's even the part where in the old articles about Apollo and Astarte on the JoS website, they both state they are actually children of Satan and not Zeus. While this can be taken to be a clue that Satan was always Zeus, I think HPS Maxine would have figured it out or been told by the Gods at this instance.

Another instance where she made a distinction between the two Gods was when she stated Zeus answers to Mammon. We now know that this is from Zeus-Ammon, but again it's directly shown He's a separate being from Father Satan.

And it's not just her. Other advanced members such as High Priestess Lydia believed the same, and I believe also had contact with the two Gods separately and never put forward that they are the same. Even High Priest Hooodedcobra always made the same distinction, as in when he stated only Father Satan is higher than Zeus. In the page with advanced information on Zeus, linked below, it's stated only Satan can overrule His edicts.

Beelzebul: Advanced Information

Clearly, they are taken to be literally separate beings. Here's a few clear excerpts from the page:
"The only one above Beelzebub is Satan Himself"; "While Satan rules the internal function of Pantheons and the Mysteries, Beelzebul has frequently come to be a ruler of the visible or the material realm, with Satan holding always the highest authority."; "Only Satan himself can overrule any of his edicts, choices or decisions."; "In contrast to petty fraudulent claims by the Hebrew Zecharia Stichin, Enlil [Beelzebul in Sumeria] was never in a “rivalry” with Enki, nor did Satan and Beelzebul ever have such petty things happening between them."

Obviously, they are two separate beings from the above excerpts. Regarding the last quote, it raises another issue I feel needs to be addressed by clergy. It unfortunately makes me wonder about the recent post about Zeus being the one who attacked Atlantis. According to Plato, the time Atlantis existed and met its demise is around ten thousand or eleven thousand years before our time. This fits what has been related by Apollo/Azazel to High Priestess Maxine, namely that humanity was attacked around ten thousand years ago. The only problem is, He stated it was the enemy who attacked us.

My Conversation with Satan

Excerpt from the above page: "Azazel told me that "10,000 years ago," we were "close to perfection." We lived side by side with the Gods. "The Earth was attacked.""

I suppose this could still fit with the new information about Zeus having attacked. Logically it doesn't make sense for the enemy to have had this major win back then but for humanity to have thrived in the past ten thousand years with civilizations like ancient Greece and Egypt. It makes more sense Zeus reset a rotten bunch of humans like the Atlanteans who had gone rogue then survivors of Atlantis and other places started rebuilding slowly.

Though I wonder how that happened as the quote says the Gods were also physically here. I believe it would be almost impossible for humans to go rogue with the Gods physically here in charge of things. Also, the wording used by Apollo is more indicative of an external enemy attacking, and not Father Zeus. I hope @Hp. Hoodedcobra666 can clarify this since the topic of Atlantis has been brought up in his latest sermon linked below. I've seen I'm not the only one confused as to who attacked us 10,000 years ago and how it changes certain things we understood in the past.

The 5 Ages & Zeus

In the Ancient texts, in particular and in Hesiod's work, there are texts that say that the Gods, when they see humanity plunged in wickedness, are engaging in the following processes to save them or redeem them, or create them from the beginning. I will tell you the truth in this topic which...

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Going back to the main topic of the question of Satan and Zeus being one entity, a page on Father Satan was also being worked on by HPHC, as mentioned here.

A Secret About Satan's Name : Satan Is God

Quoting the specific paragraph from the page, "I will progressively write more and more on this, especially in Satan's Page to add more info."

I believe Father Satan wouldn't need a separate page if He is the same being as Zeus. Not to mention the two God rituals. I've seen someone explain that the term" Absolution ritual" shows how it was always hinted at that it's the same being but this doesn't explain everything else I've highlighted, not to mention the wording in Zeus/Beelzebul's ritual again mentions Him being Satan's Brother.

I don't want to link all the instances of HPHC stating the two Gods are separate as they are too many but this recent one stands out.

Satan & Beelzebul - Two As One

In this topic, I want to make an introduction to higher levels of "Cosmology" or let us just call it the highest knowledge this path has to offer. When this knowledge is attained, there is no unanswered question and everything falls in place. Due to the need to explain many prior aspects of...

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Father Satan is described as a being beyond even other Gods, an ultimate being. Why did this change some months later? Or is it part of the duality of Zeus? If that's the case, presenting it like this, where they are clearly separate beings in the article, creates unnecessary confusion.

So, is it that clergy always knew about Satan and Zeus being the same being? As I've shown in this post, clergy clearly related what we all believed multiple times: Satan and Zeus are separate entities at the top of the divine hierarchy with Father Satan being the supreme God. In that case, why allow and encourage us to believe otherwise for so long?

Or is it that all this is a recent revelation that is being made public? If this is the case, do let us know. I believe nothing will change for anyone who has had direct proof of the truth of everything else taught by the Temple of Zeus. It's just that making such a change casually can devastate people who have long loved Father Satan, after having known He is a literal distinct being all this time. I do feel that way. It's probably a trivial matter at the end of the day but it does rock someone's world to know Father Satan doesn't exist literally as we knew Him, Beside Father Zeus.

Again, I'm not here to cause confusion or anything, I swear before the Gods. I believe many have similar questions. Please don't nuke my post or something. I hope HPHC can respond to this to clear the confusion so the topic can finally rest and people can move on at ease.

If Satan and Zeus are a duality of the same God which High Priestess Maxine initially assumed to be two separate entities (from the Enki and Enlil Mesopotamian stories), why also the separate interactions she and others of high merit continued to have as recently as a few months ago? Please provide answers as this is very confusing.

I completely understand mythology and its purposes. My only query here is related to experiences from clergy and other advanced members for over two decades contradicting recent updates. Anyone who has Internet access can do basic research and see Zeus as head God in endless pantheons. From the Greek one to Rome, Egypt, India, and so on.

But we've all learned of Father Satan, his Brother and supreme ruler of the Gods.

In closing, I love all the new changes, they are wonderful. Apart from a few confusing points like the above, I love the Temple of Zeus and the progress we're making.

 

[VedicWisdom]

I should go on and add that the changes are not only great but necessary. For one, we always called the Gods the Powers of Hell. This was awesome for the time but clearly, if you go to the ancients and ask them about the Powers of Hell, they may be a bit baffled. But mention "The Olympians" to the Greeks or "The Devas" to ancient Hindus and they'll all understand what you mean.

Most of our stuff was out of salvaging from the enemy's sea of dross. Like how HPS Maxine called some places in the afterlife "Hell", or as I've mentioned terms like "Powers of Hell", "Guardian Demon" and so on. The new updates are crucial and great.

My only question is about Satan being literally Zeus and I've explained why. I hope I've made myself clear.

 

[WiseDragon]

I think your questions are very legit and I do feel in a similar way like you, but I also understand that this is a complex issue. HP Hoodedcobra talked about 6 months, and this will be more and more clear to us, so this is why I'm not rushing this process of understanding. I do trust HP Hoodedcobra, the Gods have directly told me that they are pleased with him and that 'he's leading all of us very well'. I also know for a fact that if it wasn't for him this place wouldn't have been a thing anymore for a long time. He is the reason we're still here and he deserves our trust.

If you're interested in my view though, I'm not yet fully convinced that Zeus/Jupiter/Indra/Thor is effectively Satan/Lucifer/Enki/Shiva. I still see them as separate on a level, while still being united in many ways and one and the same. These two, as I see them, are the Highest Gods in the Universe, and they are so united that when you get in touch with one of them, you're also connecting yourself to the other. On the Highest levels of Divinity it's very difficult to understand how things actually work, but this is my view. I also felt Satan and Baal to be two different beings/entities with my experience. And I still see Satan to be supreme, even above Baal.

I see Satan as being beyond the Universe itself, with no one being on His level. There's something primordial and immense about Him that no other God has in my view. I think what the enemy did in its erasure of Paganism is very telling. This was done by extremely high level jews with top level knowledge, not by some random ones.

There's a very specific reason they didn't call the other side, the one opposing them, 'monsters', 'evil spirits', 'abominations' etc. They choose a very specific Ancient Greek word: Demon. Demon meaning literally 'god-like', 'divine' etc. They chose this specific name because their goal wasn't to simply scare people away from knowledge and to have control. Their goal was to cut humanity away from their true Gods, and using a true term that actually defines those Gods was necessary, so that humanity would always be terrified of those specific beings, their names and their symbols.

The enemy did the same with the name Satan. Satan is not a random word, it's not a jewish creation, it's actually a name of immense importance. Even the symbolism they chose to represent Satan with is very specific. The Trident and the Snake. The name Satan is extremely sacred and meaningful, tying to some of the most important Mantras in Kundalini Yoga, where the goal is to raise the...Serpent. Mantras like SATANAMA, words like Satya all tie to Satan. HP Hoodedcobra even showed a connection beetween Satanas and Wodanaz.

A thing that must be noted is that the enemy's removal of knowledge was immensely vast. I'm more than certain that the name Satan, or very similar words were all over the Ancient World. Most Spiritual Knowledge was transmitted orally as well. We may know not even 5% percent of these Ancient cultures' knowledge to be honest. And even that 5% could contain corruptions. Just look at what the jews did with history as recent as 80 years ago.

If you look at how Shiva is represented, with the Trident and the Serpent, it's immediately clear that He is Satan. A myth that I've never forgotten about Shiva is about when there is a dispute beetween Him, Vishnu and Brahma about who is the supreme God. To resolve their debate, Shiva manifested an infinite pillar of light (Lucifer aspect of Satan) that stretched endlessly above and below. He then challenged both Brahma and Vishnu to find either the top or bottom of this pillar. Neither Vishnu nor Brahma could find its end. Brahma even lied that he did find it, and Shiva with absolute authority told him that because of this lie, nobody would ever worship Him in temples anymore. This myth also highlights the extreme importance that Satya (truthfulness) has for Shiva.

The myth is not literal of course, but it clearly shows the immensity of Satan, His infinite nature and His absolute authority among all Gods. So is it really a coincidence that when the enemy depicts their main enemy, the 'King of the Demons', they depict Him in the EXACT same way as this supreme Hindu God? I don't think so.

Zeus, on the other hand, always had immense improtance in Hinduism too, and even before Hinduism among the Indoeuropean People. Zeus comes from Dyeus Pitar, which literally means Father God. Zeus in Proto Indo European (one of the oldest, if not the oldest language of humanity, being much older than Ancient Greek and Sanskrit themselves) literally means God and God of the Sky as a name, but yet He is never described in the same way as Shiva is in Hinduism.

In any case I'm a firm believer that it's very important that as long as the enemy is in power, that people fully understand what the enemy did with names like Satan and Demon, the inversion that took place to erase Paganism. Without this core understanding, people will always be vulnerable from Christian influence in my opinion. But I definitely see how using the name Zeus for the organization helps.

Finally, about Satan's correlation with Kronus/Saturn, it's interesting to note how this is an aspect of him that has to do with time. Kronus' father is Uranus, who in my opinion is another aspect of Satan actually. Uranus though is not correlated to time, He comes before Kronus, so before time itself. In fact if we look at how Uranus operates even in Astrology, it's a very immediate and sudden planet, also spiritual. Uranus may represent the higher and finer dimensions where time doesn't exist in the same way as it exists in the physical realms, while Kronus, his 'son', represents the concept of time. Like I said I believe these two to be two different aspects of Satan. It's very interesting to note indeed that Satan has always been associated with the Capricorn Sign (Saturn, Time, Goat symbolism) and the Aquarius Sign (Uranus). This may further indicate Satan as being beyond the Universe itself, in a way that no other God is.

About Paul or other jews claiming Zeus to be Satan, I don't know how convincing that is. Jews also have a tendency to call all the Gods, and all their enemies as 'Satan'. I'd like more evidence of this correlation personally.

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I'm just expressing thoughts and observations here. I'm still walking the path towards understanding and I'm open to new information and insights.

 

[Scared Shirtless]

I think the answer is in HP Maxine's advanced article on Beelzebub: The Healing God of Ekron on the old website. She was rather clear about different pockets of people around the globe worshipping the same deity but applying a different filter or representation. Quoting from a recent post (Don't remember who wrote it) a bunch of people with varying opinions and labels calling, but the same guy always answers. That's my opinion on it, and i think whoever wrote that other post was spot on.

 

[Egon]

She saw what she saw, if you notice she practically never mentioned Beelzebul after freeing the aspects of the Demons from inside the human soul. What she described on those cases were the perceived Persona of each Daemons for humans and not the beings themselves. Also on the parenthood it still makes sense as Artemis and Apollo are the children of Zeus and not someone else's grandchildren. Please refer to the explanations given here as I can only interject this far on these holy matters:

Q&A: Temple of Zeus, by HP HC

Here are some interesting answers by HP HoodedCobra from the Temple in the Element app, which he asked to save and repost in the forums. Text outside quotes are his words: Advanced concepts into this are normal to not understand. There are many layers to these things. One is the basic layer...

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[HPS Lydia]

The Gods reveal certain things about themselves when the time is right. When it is right for us to receive the knowledge. For example, Ose was never revealed as Goddess Eos until recently, even though She is a very important Goddess.

They did not sit down with HPS Maxine and tell Her everything, because the time wasn't right yet for a lot of facts. It was more important that we throw of jewish manipulation and curses. That was priority, as well as bringing the Gods back to our awareness here in a large sense, but there wasn't time to bring us all the information yet. Especially as HPS Maxine had real life responsibilities to tend to as well.

Satan confirmed to me that He is Zeus. He never told me this previously, because there was no need. It wasn't important yet.

Humanity as a whole is at a very low level. Even most members here are not nearly as advanced and powerful as we need to be. We need to level up more, in order to get even more Truth and Enlightenment from our Gods.

 

[VedicWisdom]

Thank you everyone for your replies and for being understanding. I see it clearer now. @Egon I thought about that too. HPS Maxine strangely never talked about Zeus apart from that instance, yet He's like the most important God. Clearly, Father Satan has always been Zeus.

I also wonder, is Lilith Hera/Juno? I've noticed both are described as being the protector of women during childbirth. But anyway, this is irrelevant as I've read a bit of Proto Indo European reconstructed mythology and Hera is deeply symbolic, being the universal wife of Dyaus Pater. She's also associated with a white cow. This is all deeply symbolic obviously.

@WiseDragon thank you for your honesty. It's clear now Father Satan is Zeus. I felt heretical typing my post up, but I was too overwhelmed and had to. Problems arise when people try to make sense of very advanced concepts such as the duality of Zeus. We end up getting confused. @Hp. Hoodedcobra666 may have perhaps introduced such a sacred concept before we were prepared. For most of us, it's just an emotional reaction. The truth is very clear that Zeus was turned to Satan, which is again a corruption on deep levels as the name Satan is a top secret name that connects humans with the highest truth of existence. It's like their nonsense calling Apollo Apollyon, and also the goetic bit about Azazel. They just butchered everything they could find and wrote endless slander on it all.

@Egon I think i suspect why Apollo and Artemis mentioned being children of Satan. It's right in Greek mythology. Apollo is called "Apollo Phoebus", and she is called "Phoebe". These sacred titles mean "of brilliant light". Furthermore, Apollo is called Lykegenes or Lucegenes. This title literally means "Born of the light", i.e. Lucifer, the light bearer, the holy aspect of Zeus.

I understand things better now. Both Satan and Zeus are aspects of the same being which is the Supreme Ruler of the Gods, who personally transcends the entire universe, encompassing the manifest universe (Zeus) and the uncreated universe (Satan). Generally to the ancients everyone called him Zeus, or some title that generally translates to something meaning "Heavenly Father" and was always King of the Gods. Now after the Jewish corruption, we've called Him Father Satan.

He is full of many mysteries, such as his Tripartite nature or this duality, such that it couldn't all be revealed at once. Another one we can add is His association with the lightning bolt. In some pantheons (like the Hellenic one), Zeus was both God of Sky and Lightning and in others, He had two separate deities playing the same role. In the ancient Vedic Pantheon, Indra ruled the lightning bolt and controlled the weather while DyausPitar represented the sky. Imagine how retarded one would sound insisting these are two separate Gods. Obviously, it's all the same Supreme God. But that isn't the point, the point is what the mythology teaches.

Maybe after all it is the right time to reveal this, and as we have battered the enemy spiritually, his corruption of Divine knowledge should be battered now too. I believe both HPS Maxine and HPHC always knew the truth, just that HPS Maxine realised it a bit later on and this may have been part of the updates she mentioned she needed to do so many times. And HPHC understood people would have this reaction due to, honestly childish, emotional reasons. For one, the same Goddess was revealed to be Aphrodite, Demeter, Artemis and Athena. But we all had a deep emotional attachment to Father Satan that would of course make it feel blasphemous for the revelation to be put out that He is none other than Zeus Himself.

If you think about it, an infinitely powerful and advanced race of beings may have a bit of a problem with civilizing and educating humans on endless topics. So what they do is adopt a most simplistic system carrying deep profound meaning, and that also contains rich imagination to inspire the mind and draw it towards studying and indulging in the mysteries of the Gods.

Take a God like Thoth. Obviously, every other God can write and speak and other things. But from humans' perspective, Thoth being the God tasked with this office, we see him as the inventor of writing and speech. He's however brilliant and encodes much spiritual truths and wisdom, such as writing being a code for engraving mantras on the soul, and speech not only referring to regular linear speech but also kabalistic speech and how to empower the soul with it.

We have endless instances of this. Like how, to show that certain energies that may not necessarily mix the Gods needed to use the allegory of rape as anyone understands rape is forced union (thanks to @Hp. Hoodedcobra666 for revealing this). Or how a Goddess like Hygeia is ascribed the realms of cleanliness and hygiene (doesn't mean other Gods are filthy, it's just teaching humans civilisation).

It is very silly for one to take the above and literalize it and demand a certain God must answer to it. As HPHC said, the government (collective for the Gods) will see one needs something and send them that which they need, regardless of how you requested it.

In conclusion, I hope everyone who had doubts has had them answered. This was my purpose of making the post. I know mine have been answered.

Lastly, thanks very much @HPS Lydia. I appreciate your reply.

Hail Zeus!

 

[Hs666]

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The question here, Of Satan and Beelzebub is at one level of understanding. There is confusion when we ask the question and give an answer in one direction, when there are two answers, to one question.

If we use a “reading key” without the duality, then "God" there is no Satan is Beelzebub, there is Zeus(“God”).

In a “reading key,” dual, there is no Zeus(“One God”), but his Duality, Satan and Beelzebub. Zeus separated into two forms. "Origin" and "Manifestation," "uncreated Universe" and "created Universe."

You have to split the "keys" and understand which way you are reading it, the confusion comes from mixing these two things. When you read that someone is talking about Satan and Beelzebub you know that they are talking from a dual point of view of "God"(Zeus) separated into two Entities that have their own functions.

When they talk about Zeus as "Pantokrator," "the One who holds the whole universe," they are doing it from a "principle" point of view of "Oneness."

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

You can ask anything you want and you are not a heretic.

HPS Maxine had a very specific mission which was to engage in the enemy context and bring the Gods out from that context, and rebuild a truthful and strong basis for this. She openly told us about the Gods extending to the Ancient Past and how they always existed before the advent of the enemy, which was pivotal in the restoration of the Gods in the modern era.

She knew a tremendous amount of information about the Gods, but her primary domain was to get into what was referred to as "Satanism" and clear it all out. The enemy manufactured Satanism in the 1960's, in order to misguide people that would later seek the Gods and create an anti-thesis to the awakening of the Ancient Gods.

HPS Maxine stopped this and created Original Satanism with the Original Gods, to save humanity from this secondary impeding attack which was meant to control the tide and stop the awakening to the Ancient Gods by the enemy. She succeeded into this and her work was furthered.

My task was to promote this process and to complete it with full restoration with the Gods, leaving the plot of the enemy behind. The Gods led me to Spiritual Satanism because it was and always has been the only true, unadultered and pure faith there is, because HPS Maxine discovered it truly and with full integrity.

About Zeus specifically, HPS Maxine has been American in her present incarnation. I had another input and destiny to take it from there. We operated as two pieces in the same larger machine.

When I saw these things transcendentally and in the light of new knowledge, I also went through many phases of concurrent realization of this. The Gods just told me to "keep going". If they didn't tell me to keep going and just told me the facts straight up, I would have not discovered true consciousness in order to see it for myself. This does not mean they didn't want us to know, but they want us to develop and to understand. When we understand, we see on our own.

After we conversed and I kept sharing both experiences, knowledge and deeper subsets of what I was put here to share, she understood a lot of this and gave me the "Go ahead" order. However, time is required for this to happen as not only others were advancing, I was also. This had to reach an accumulation for me, to happen and to be put in context. Certain questions took me 10 years or more to understand. The HPS Maxine I knew 13 years ago was on the same I knew 10 years later from this, she advanced a tremendous and mind boggling extent.

It's not simple as saying "Satan is Zeus" (The enemy knows this as well) but it's important to understand how things operate in the deeper levels totally. Only then one can speak and to explain fully.

Zeus separates into Dias (Divider) and Zeus (Connector) as well. These are two Names of Zeus. Another one is Zinas (which means the God who gave Life, ie the creator of God and Man). These are all aspects of Satan and Beelzebul.

Satan further, is also except of the Ultimate Being, the concept of Eternal Truth. The Truth or the Universe, is the far most important thing in all of existence and creation. Zeus in a sense is the manifestation of the Truth, yet since the Truth is essence and pure Being, Zeus or who was equated with Beelzebul is related as the gateway or the worldly authority in the manifested creation.

That's why they are referred to as "Brothers" - brothers are supposed to be "equal" and they are supposed to be essential to one another (there are epics of the Middle Ages where it is stated Beelzebul rules Hell and Satan rules it, like two hands in a body). These are all codes. The hand is right and left, but primarily, they are part of the same body and brain that operates them. The enemy is also aware of this so they cut no corners, they just call them both Devil and Satan without giving care to which hand is "in operation" at the time.

Satan = Unmanifest pure existence, the Truth
Beelzebul = Manifest pure existence, stemming from Truth, who is also the Truth by direct extension

It's the above that is of value, not to just say "Satan is Zeus". The enemy knows Satan/Devil/Lucifer is Zeus in their writings, the don't even hide it. But saying this alone is not advancing us. It's what is behind it and all the knowledge that can advance us.

In Luke 10:18, the jews say "I saw Satan fall like a thunderbolt from heaven" - A subconscious message on how Zeus (leader of the Thunderbolt or Lightning) "fell" from his Throne in Heaven.

On Revelations 2:13 they say "Satan whose throne in Pergamum dwelt" - The Throne of Zeus was in Pergamum. All of these are subconscious to show the "fall" of Satan/Lucifer from grace, and from being the Head God, into "falling".

I think your questions are very legit and I do feel in a similar way like you, but I also understand that this is a complex issue. HP Hoodedcobra talked about 6 months, and this will be more and more clear to us, so this is why I'm not rushing this process of understanding. I do trust HP Hoodedcobra, the Gods have directly told me that they are pleased with him and that 'he's leading all of us very well'. I also know for a fact that if it wasn't for him this place wouldn't have been a thing anymore for a long time. He is the reason we're still here and he deserves our trust.

If you're interested in my view though, I'm not yet fully convinced that Zeus/Jupiter/Indra/Thor is effectively Satan/Lucifer/Enki/Shiva. I still see them as separate on a level, while still being united in many ways and one and the same. These two, as I see them, are the Highest Gods in the Universe, and they are so united that when you get in touch with one of them, you're also connecting yourself to the other. On the Highest levels of Divinity it's very difficult to understand how things actually work, but this is my view. I also felt Satan and Baal to be two different beings/entities with my experience. And I still see Satan to be supreme, even above Baal.

I see Satan as being beyond the Universe itself, with no one being on His level. There's something primordial and immense about Him that no other God has in my view. I think what the enemy did in its erasure of Paganism is very telling. This was done by extremely high level jews with top level knowledge, not by some random ones.

Refer to my response above and you will understand. Satan is the Ultimate God, as thus the correlation with Satya or Truth. This however, is approached through the manifest order of orders, which is Beelzebul in the names we knew before.

Zeus and Satya are not by coincidence the choices here. Zeus is God, but Satya is the Essence of God itself.

Give it time. You will see and when people see, all things will click and permanently be on their place. This is the top of the top conception of our path. It takes time for it to sink in, and move all the way from basic understanding to ultimate.

 

[DarkPagan666]

Last night, I spoke with Father Satan about the transformation of JoS into ToZ. I asked Him about the connection to Zeus, and Father Satan immediately confirmed that He is, indeed, Zeus. He was very quick with this and wants us to know. I just wanted to share and confirm this in addition to the others.

 

[loki6]

You can ask anything you want and you are not a heretic.

HPS Maxine had a very specific mission which was to engage in the enemy context and bring the Gods out from that context, and rebuild a truthful and strong basis for this. She openly told us about the Gods extending to the Ancient Past and how they always existed before the advent of the enemy, which was pivotal in the restoration of the Gods in the modern era.

She knew a tremendous amount of information about the Gods, but her primary domain was to get into what was referred to as "Satanism" and clear it all out. The enemy manufactured Satanism in the 1960's, in order to misguide people that would later seek the Gods and create an anti-thesis to the awakening of the Ancient Gods.

HPS Maxine stopped this and created Original Satanism with the Original Gods, to save humanity from this secondary impeding attack which was meant to control the tide and stop the awakening to the Ancient Gods by the enemy. She succeeded into this and her work was furthered.

My task was to promote this process and to complete it with full restoration with the Gods, leaving the plot of the enemy behind. The Gods led me to Spiritual Satanism because it was and always has been the only true, unadultered and pure faith there is, because HPS Maxine discovered it truly and with full integrity.

About Zeus specifically, HPS Maxine has been American in her present incarnation. I had another input and destiny to take it from there. We operated as two pieces in the same larger machine.

When I saw these things transcendentally and in the light of new knowledge, I also went through many phases of concurrent realization of this. The Gods just told me to "keep going". If they didn't tell me to keep going and just told me the facts straight up, I would have not discovered true consciousness in order to see it for myself. This does not mean they didn't want us to know, but they want us to develop and to understand. When we understand, we see on our own.

After we conversed and I kept sharing both experiences, knowledge and deeper subsets of what I was put here to share, she understood a lot of this and gave me the "Go ahead" order. However, time is required for this to happen as not only others were advancing, I was also. This had to reach an accumulation for me, to happen and to be put in context. Certain questions took me 10 years or more to understand. The HPS Maxine I knew 13 years ago was on the same I knew 10 years later from this, she advanced a tremendous and mind boggling extent.

It's not simple as saying "Satan is Zeus" (The enemy knows this as well) but it's important to understand how things operate in the deeper levels totally. Only then one can speak and to explain fully.

Zeus separates into Dias (Divider) and Zeus (Connector) as well. These are two Names of Zeus. Another one is Zinas (which means the God who gave Life, ie the creator of God and Man). These are all aspects of Satan and Beelzebul.

Satan further, is also except of the Ultimate Being, the concept of Eternal Truth. The Truth or the Universe, is the far most important thing in all of existence and creation. Zeus in a sense is the manifestation of the Truth, yet since the Truth is essence and pure Being, Zeus or who was equated with Beelzebul is related as the gateway or the worldly authority in the manifested creation.

That's why they are referred to as "Brothers" - brothers are supposed to be "equal" and they are supposed to be essential to one another (there are epics of the Middle Ages where it is stated Beelzebul rules Hell and Satan rules it, like two hands in a body). These are all codes. The hand is right and left, but primarily, they are part of the same body and brain that operates them. The enemy is also aware of this so they cut no corners, they just call them both Devil and Satan without giving care to which hand is "in operation" at the time.

Satan = Unmanifest pure existence, the Truth
Beelzebul = Manifest pure existence, stemming from Truth, who is also the Truth by direct extension

It's the above that is of value, not to just say "Satan is Zeus". The enemy knows Satan/Devil/Lucifer is Zeus in their writings, the don't even hide it. But saying this alone is not advancing us. It's what is behind it and all the knowledge that can advance us.

In Luke 10:18, the jews say "I saw Satan fall like a thunderbolt from heaven" - A subconscious message on how Zeus (leader of the Thunderbolt or Lightning) "fell" from his Throne in Heaven.

On Revelations 2:13 they say "Satan whose throne in Pergamum dwelt" - The Throne of Zeus was in Pergamum. All of these are subconscious to show the "fall" of Satan/Lucifer from grace, and from being the Head God, into "falling".



Refer to my response above and you will understand. Satan is the Ultimate God, as thus the correlation with Satya or Truth. This however, is approached through the manifest order of orders, which is Beelzebul in the names we knew before.

Zeus and Satya are not by coincidence the choices here. Zeus is God, but Satya is the Essence of God itself.

Give it time. You will see and when people see, all things will click and permanently be on their place. This is the top of the top conception of our path. It takes time for it to sink in, and move all the way from basic understanding to ultimate.

Greetings Commander Cobra !

I am gradually beginning to understand this topic, and everything is slowly falling into place. Thank You!

However, I still have a few questions that prevent me from fully putting the puzzle together:

1. Why was the experience of High Priestess Maxine with Satan and Beelzebub different?


2. Why was the new name chosen as the Temple of Zeus? Why Zeus specifically and not another name of Satan, for example, from the Egyptian pantheon,like Temple of RA? (I have nothing against the new name ToZ)


3. Did High Priestess Maxine herself know that Satan is Zeus? If she knew, why wasn’t this stated from the beginning?



Please don’t take my questions as criticism—I simply want to understand this more deeply and clear up any confusion.

Hail Satan!

 

[monomotapa 2]

You can ask anything you want and you are not a heretic.

HPS Maxine had a very specific mission which was to engage in the enemy context and bring the Gods out from that context, and rebuild a truthful and strong basis for this. She openly told us about the Gods extending to the Ancient Past and how they always existed before the advent of the enemy, which was pivotal in the restoration of the Gods in the modern era.

She knew a tremendous amount of information about the Gods, but her primary domain was to get into what was referred to as "Satanism" and clear it all out. The enemy manufactured Satanism in the 1960's, in order to misguide people that would later seek the Gods and create an anti-thesis to the awakening of the Ancient Gods.

HPS Maxine stopped this and created Original Satanism with the Original Gods, to save humanity from this secondary impeding attack which was meant to control the tide and stop the awakening to the Ancient Gods by the enemy. She succeeded into this and her work was furthered.

My task was to promote this process and to complete it with full restoration with the Gods, leaving the plot of the enemy behind. The Gods led me to Spiritual Satanism because it was and always has been the only true, unadultered and pure faith there is, because HPS Maxine discovered it truly and with full integrity.

About Zeus specifically, HPS Maxine has been American in her present incarnation. I had another input and destiny to take it from there. We operated as two pieces in the same larger machine.

When I saw these things transcendentally and in the light of new knowledge, I also went through many phases of concurrent realization of this. The Gods just told me to "keep going". If they didn't tell me to keep going and just told me the facts straight up, I would have not discovered true consciousness in order to see it for myself. This does not mean they didn't want us to know, but they want us to develop and to understand. When we understand, we see on our own.

After we conversed and I kept sharing both experiences, knowledge and deeper subsets of what I was put here to share, she understood a lot of this and gave me the "Go ahead" order. However, time is required for this to happen as not only others were advancing, I was also. This had to reach an accumulation for me, to happen and to be put in context. Certain questions took me 10 years or more to understand. The HPS Maxine I knew 13 years ago was on the same I knew 10 years later from this, she advanced a tremendous and mind boggling extent.

It's not simple as saying "Satan is Zeus" (The enemy knows this as well) but it's important to understand how things operate in the deeper levels totally. Only then one can speak and to explain fully.

Zeus separates into Dias (Divider) and Zeus (Connector) as well. These are two Names of Zeus. Another one is Zinas (which means the God who gave Life, ie the creator of God and Man). These are all aspects of Satan and Beelzebul.

Satan further, is also except of the Ultimate Being, the concept of Eternal Truth. The Truth or the Universe, is the far most important thing in all of existence and creation. Zeus in a sense is the manifestation of the Truth, yet since the Truth is essence and pure Being, Zeus or who was equated with Beelzebul is related as the gateway or the worldly authority in the manifested creation.

That's why they are referred to as "Brothers" - brothers are supposed to be "equal" and they are supposed to be essential to one another (there are epics of the Middle Ages where it is stated Beelzebul rules Hell and Satan rules it, like two hands in a body). These are all codes. The hand is right and left, but primarily, they are part of the same body and brain that operates them. The enemy is also aware of this so they cut no corners, they just call them both Devil and Satan without giving care to which hand is "in operation" at the time.

Satan = Unmanifest pure existence, the Truth
Beelzebul = Manifest pure existence, stemming from Truth, who is also the Truth by direct extension

It's the above that is of value, not to just say "Satan is Zeus". The enemy knows Satan/Devil/Lucifer is Zeus in their writings, the don't even hide it. But saying this alone is not advancing us. It's what is behind it and all the knowledge that can advance us.

In Luke 10:18, the jews say "I saw Satan fall like a thunderbolt from heaven" - A subconscious message on how Zeus (leader of the Thunderbolt or Lightning) "fell" from his Throne in Heaven.

On Revelations 2:13 they say "Satan whose throne in Pergamum dwelt" - The Throne of Zeus was in Pergamum. All of these are subconscious to show the "fall" of Satan/Lucifer from grace, and from being the Head God, into "falling".



Refer to my response above and you will understand. Satan is the Ultimate God, as thus the correlation with Satya or Truth. This however, is approached through the manifest order of orders, which is Beelzebul in the names we knew before.

Zeus and Satya are not by coincidence the choices here. Zeus is God, but Satya is the Essence of God itself.

Give it time. You will see and when people see, all things will click and permanently be on their place. This is the top of the top conception of our path. It takes time for it to sink in, and move all the way from basic understanding to ultimate.

So the image of Satan in the Toz website is that Satan or balzevulon

 

[Egon]

1. Why was the experience of High Priestess Maxine with Satan and Beelzebub different?

I explained that above.

2. Why was the new name chosen as the Temple of Zeus? Why Zeus specifically and not another name of Satan, for example, from the Egyptian pantheon,like Temple of RA? (I have nothing against the new name ToZ)

Refer to this reply: https://ancient-forums.com/threads/temple-of-zeus-is-now-live.298298/page-4#post-1124703

3. Did High Priestess Maxine herself know that Satan is Zeus? If she knew, why wasn’t this stated from the beginning?

He just explained that in the response he gave why he also didn't simply say "hey everyone Satan is Zeus".

 

[Hs666]

So the image of Satan in the Toz website is that Satan or balzevulon

The logos should be “seen/read” on the key of Oneness. It is the purest form, without the duality, it is Zeus. There is no Satan and Beelzebub, because in this “vision” of Oneness they are the same thing.

 

[VedicWisdom]

You can ask anything you want and you are not a heretic.

HPS Maxine had a very specific mission which was to engage in the enemy context and bring the Gods out from that context, and rebuild a truthful and strong basis for this. She openly told us about the Gods extending to the Ancient Past and how they always existed before the advent of the enemy, which was pivotal in the restoration of the Gods in the modern era.

She knew a tremendous amount of information about the Gods, but her primary domain was to get into what was referred to as "Satanism" and clear it all out. The enemy manufactured Satanism in the 1960's, in order to misguide people that would later seek the Gods and create an anti-thesis to the awakening of the Ancient Gods.

HPS Maxine stopped this and created Original Satanism with the Original Gods, to save humanity from this secondary impeding attack which was meant to control the tide and stop the awakening to the Ancient Gods by the enemy. She succeeded into this and her work was furthered.

My task was to promote this process and to complete it with full restoration with the Gods, leaving the plot of the enemy behind. The Gods led me to Spiritual Satanism because it was and always has been the only true, unadultered and pure faith there is, because HPS Maxine discovered it truly and with full integrity.

About Zeus specifically, HPS Maxine has been American in her present incarnation. I had another input and destiny to take it from there. We operated as two pieces in the same larger machine.

When I saw these things transcendentally and in the light of new knowledge, I also went through many phases of concurrent realization of this. The Gods just told me to "keep going". If they didn't tell me to keep going and just told me the facts straight up, I would have not discovered true consciousness in order to see it for myself. This does not mean they didn't want us to know, but they want us to develop and to understand. When we understand, we see on our own.

After we conversed and I kept sharing both experiences, knowledge and deeper subsets of what I was put here to share, she understood a lot of this and gave me the "Go ahead" order. However, time is required for this to happen as not only others were advancing, I was also. This had to reach an accumulation for me, to happen and to be put in context. Certain questions took me 10 years or more to understand. The HPS Maxine I knew 13 years ago was on the same I knew 10 years later from this, she advanced a tremendous and mind boggling extent.

It's not simple as saying "Satan is Zeus" (The enemy knows this as well) but it's important to understand how things operate in the deeper levels totally. Only then one can speak and to explain fully.

Zeus separates into Dias (Divider) and Zeus (Connector) as well. These are two Names of Zeus. Another one is Zinas (which means the God who gave Life, ie the creator of God and Man). These are all aspects of Satan and Beelzebul.

Satan further, is also except of the Ultimate Being, the concept of Eternal Truth. The Truth or the Universe, is the far most important thing in all of existence and creation. Zeus in a sense is the manifestation of the Truth, yet since the Truth is essence and pure Being, Zeus or who was equated with Beelzebul is related as the gateway or the worldly authority in the manifested creation.

That's why they are referred to as "Brothers" - brothers are supposed to be "equal" and they are supposed to be essential to one another (there are epics of the Middle Ages where it is stated Beelzebul rules Hell and Satan rules it, like two hands in a body). These are all codes. The hand is right and left, but primarily, they are part of the same body and brain that operates them. The enemy is also aware of this so they cut no corners, they just call them both Devil and Satan without giving care to which hand is "in operation" at the time.

Satan = Unmanifest pure existence, the Truth
Beelzebul = Manifest pure existence, stemming from Truth, who is also the Truth by direct extension

It's the above that is of value, not to just say "Satan is Zeus". The enemy knows Satan/Devil/Lucifer is Zeus in their writings, the don't even hide it. But saying this alone is not advancing us. It's what is behind it and all the knowledge that can advance us.

In Luke 10:18, the jews say "I saw Satan fall like a thunderbolt from heaven" - A subconscious message on how Zeus (leader of the Thunderbolt or Lightning) "fell" from his Throne in Heaven.

On Revelations 2:13 they say "Satan whose throne in Pergamum dwelt" - The Throne of Zeus was in Pergamum. All of these are subconscious to show the "fall" of Satan/Lucifer from grace, and from being the Head God, into "falling".



Refer to my response above and you will understand. Satan is the Ultimate God, as thus the correlation with Satya or Truth. This however, is approached through the manifest order of orders, which is Beelzebul in the names we knew before.

Zeus and Satya are not by coincidence the choices here. Zeus is God, but Satya is the Essence of God itself.

Give it time. You will see and when people see, all things will click and permanently be on their place. This is the top of the top conception of our path. It takes time for it to sink in, and move all the way from basic understanding to ultimate.

Thanks for this, makes total sense. It's worth noting that even for other Gods, she more often than not used the "Satanic version" of their names like Azazel for Apollo and Astaroth for Astarte.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

Thanks for this, makes total sense. It's worth noting that even for other Gods, she more often than not used the "Satanic version" of their names like Azazel for Apollo and Astaroth for Astarte.

HPS Maxine grew up around the 1960's which was the time of the first resurgence of defiance in popular culture, known as Satanism. Refer to the article by JG Alchemist and you will understand the flow of history around this.

This was her mission, to establish a proper course from that wave of new spiritual knowledge that arrived in the West and restore the basis of it. Her experiences were strongly correlated with the uprising in Satanism (first by LaVey and onward to Spiritual Satanism, which was the perfected form of Spiritual Satanism). She saved us from kosher "Satanism" and re-affirmed the roots of our Gods. Then, I have to take this one step further now.

After this, we have to move on, as currently this wave has ended and another one begins now, which will last for centuries to come. We no longer need to be reactionaries to the Jewish context. It will be defeated and removed completely through restoration of the full spectrum of the Gods.

 

[VedicWisdom]

HPS Maxine grew up around the 1960's which was the time of the first resurgence of defiance in popular culture, known as Satanism. Refer to the article by JG Alchemist and you will understand the flow of history around this.

This was her mission, to establish a proper course from that wave of new spiritual knowledge that arrived in the West and restore the basis of it. Her experiences were strongly correlated with the uprising in Satanism (first by LaVey and onward to Spiritual Satanism, which was the perfected form of Spiritual Satanism). She saved us from kosher "Satanism" and re-affirmed the roots of our Gods. Then, I have to take this one step further now.

After this, we have to move on, as currently this wave has ended and another one begins now, which will last for centuries to come. We no longer need to be reactionaries to the Jewish context. It will be defeated and removed completely through restoration of the full spectrum of the Gods.

I read it a while back. Beautifully said. Thank you for everything, may the Gods continue to empower you and bless you for your work.

 

[HadesWithin666]

HPS Maxine grew up around the 1960's which was the time of the first resurgence of defiance in popular culture, known as Satanism. Refer to the article by JG Alchemist and you will understand the flow of history around this.

This was her mission, to establish a proper course from that wave of new spiritual knowledge that arrived in the West and restore the basis of it. Her experiences were strongly correlated with the uprising in Satanism (first by LaVey and onward to Spiritual Satanism, which was the perfected form of Spiritual Satanism). She saved us from kosher "Satanism" and re-affirmed the roots of our Gods. Then, I have to take this one step further now.

After this, we have to move on, as currently this wave has ended and another one begins now, which will last for centuries to come. We no longer need to be reactionaries to the Jewish context. It will be defeated and removed completely through restoration of the full spectrum of the Gods.

I get what you're saying about Lady Maxine and the traditional Satanism, ok. But why haven't she mentioned about Satan and Beelzebul being one back then? Didn't she had as "much" connection with the Gods as you do? Also there was some PDF written by you of what has actually happend with her, I would appreciate the link as I lost it, please and thank you.

Additionally, since people were talking, complaining and mostly doubt about this whole change and true Hps Maxine being gone. As far as I know, I have seen that she was still "old" and on earth being a grandmother. But now all of the "sudden" since there were so many"complaints" from people our HPS Lydia had a "astral connection with Lady Maxine" but what, couldn't they talk like WhatsApp if she was still there, now she isn't anymore of what?

 

[HadesWithin666]

This is whole.. "thing" I'm referring to the community mostly the forum/website. Has had been like a home to me, but when I see what's going on in the present (it's not about the change) but just 1-2 individuals on here, it makes me think " Do they truly have communication or even at least the tiniest communication with the Gods?", I'm referring to the individuals, even "High" individuals.