Stormblood said:
94n said:
To say astrology is ONLY a deep soul science or personality reading isn't exactly accurate, because people also use it to predict the rise and fall of kingdoms, war, rituals,or even predicting the weather. And predicting events in one's life also. I'm sure astrology was used for that purpose too, for the soul, but its use is diverse and vast. Such as finding out when a VoC Moon is for example. The most optimal way to do things for various reasons, such as when to start a country.
Consider this. All that knowledge ultimately comes from knowing the essence of the country and the world, which astrology provides. In other words, the spiritual nature. A country's chart is the national consciousness of that countries, which is a kind of group consciousness the citizens of the country belong too. Like everything, there are structures and hierarchy in souls too. One's soul is connected to other collective consciousness. A country's consciousness is part of the racial consciousness... and so on. How the planets affect this in predictive astrology will show the things you talk about.
This makes sense, and thank you for clarifying. The saying as above, so below, really applies here. This concept applies to even smaller concepts in astrology. Knowing that there's hundreds and thousands of planetary positions, can possibly help aid nations and countries on how to get out of disaster or how to time auspicious influences to national events. Rulers have always had an astrologer by their side to help guide them, and a lot of spiritual guidance. The ruling class are(were) the most spiritual people.
Ever heard of jyotisha? In other words, Vedic astrology. Literally, the science of light. Vedic astrology is extremely accurate and the system from which the things you talked about come from. The only issue nowadays seems that Vedic astrologers lost the right methods to draw charts. However, if you use a chart calculated through the Chaldean system and apply the knowledge of jyotisha to read it, you'll be surprised of the accuracy.
Stormblood, I'm curious about astrology of India. I'd like to hear your opinions on this, and I'm just pointing it out to show that how amazing it is that these ancient civilizations shared cultures and ideas.
https://www.astro.com/astrology/in_vedic2_e.htm
Reading this article, it seems 'Vedic' astrology is a term with hazy roots. Something interesting about indian astrology (practiced today) is that there's been arguments cropping up here and there, with some evidence, that it had a lot of ideas and practices that originated from the Greeks. This is highly contentious, but there's a linguistic argument to be made. Especially since now that we know there's been a massive cultural exchange happening throughout history. There were texts in Sanskrit detailing the practices of Greek astrology, which incorporated it into their system.
Astrology is vast and diverse, so maybe people didn't have a form of horoscopic astrology, but something more direct and in relation to the sky. And words from the Gods, which explains the teachings of the liturgical texts stating rules for specific events.
The point the article made is that astrology from India that's being practiced may not
all have stemmed from the Vedas, but astrology developed into what it is today because of Greek discoveries. I want to point out, so that we do not have any misunderstanding, that this development is around a few millenniums old possibly after everything was lost.
I am way more inclined to believe that the original practice of astrology was lost somewhere in history, then was reinvented later on. Which is what we have today.
The Greek mystery school Hermes Trismigestus was influential in creating astrology and spreading its tenets, but information on this is scant. The old Greek practice was lost, and then was revived only until recently when we discovered many ancient Greek texts talking about astrology. A lot of Greek texts were also translated to latin, or arabic, or sanskrit, so a lot are second-hand accounts.
Also something you might like is that the word "Chaldean" to the Greeks, or civilizations around it that time, was synonymous with "spiritual" or "priestly." That's how influential and admired the Chaldeans were.
Something more recent is that the new age movement sparked a whole wave of astrology books and practices, but people were getting tried in the court of law due to how accurate the predictions were, so only watered down books were provided to the public, such as vague psychology to escape legal troubles.
It seems like if someone knows something, then it's kept secret. And if they share, they get in trouble. This is infuriating because they get lost in the hands of time.
It's a miracle that we get to practice astrology today at all.
