Goodbye; Be Strong, And: Sieg Heil!

[logicalmind]

Some people seem too sensitive, which I can understand, but sometimes we need to be just practical about stuff like that. So OP said goodbye. So what? Did he murder, rape anyone? No. This is the reason I think we need to be a little colder in such cases. As for insulting clergy, asking for donations and other stuff, this is not something to be proud of, but given the psyche of the OP I can see why he would reason like that.

Being more advanced, approaching the level of the Gods does not mean always showing the truth in the hardest ways possible. If the Gods would show the truth to us in the way people have shown in this topic to the OP, I think even clergy would find a very hard time in their existence. Gods see so much more about us than we do about ourselves. Yet, they remain silent or cut some angles, showing us the truth bit by bit in ways that we would actually advance. Individual, collective advancement is one of the most important things and when talking to people like the OP I think we still need to keep this in mind.

So what really is going to happen to the OP? The only risk he is going to face is his own problems when he sees that rejecting the favours of the Gods is going to be harmful for him alone. He basically said: "I don't need ToZ now, I want to be in full gangsta mode, and I will be an attention whore by screaming about it". And the Gods will give him this opportunity to be in full gangsta mode until he understands with his own burning ass that all of us are related and are in the same boat. Being in this same boat I can understand this sensitivity and pointing out his own tiny ego that was not cultivated at all. Still, it is actually a lesson for us, too. How are we going to approach such an army of "leaving" members? Are we going to support them? Are we going to bash on them? In this case, no matter what we say to him, it will not teach him anything at this point.

And yes, he makes a colossal mistake by being so close minded. He could have gone through this path given he has some skills. And IT skills if he really has any are very valuable here. If there would be no such people like ramses13th, Apollo Above, it would be very hard for ToZ to have any adequate IT solutions here. Hourly rates for actual and professional developers who can deliver something really adequate are very high. So if the OP wanted recognition, this could have been worked properly by him just saying what he wants and asking for more opportunities to help ToZ. The following ways are possible right now.

1. Translations.
2. Outreach.
3. Video production.
4. IT solutions.
5. Personal ideas that can be discussed and agreed upon with clergy and taken into account.

There are an infinite amount of ways to serve the ToZ, the clergy and the Gods. But out of the infinite amount of ways, this guy was too close minded and chose to scream about him leaving.

This is his mistake which he is unable to comprehend, yet. Which is why he is going to experience the so-called school of hard knocks until he comes around. So pointing out he must apologize will be irrelevant right now. If he has some morality left, if he is really dedicated, then in time he will come around and apologize and will start offering something of substance to the ToZ.

Given he is dedicated, he is still our brother. He may have said bullshit about clergy and donations, but this alone is not some cardinal sin. The work itself and mere being of the clergy is much more powerful and worthy, so such people spazzing something idiotic is nothing to the holy image and sacred being of the clergy at all. On the other hand, we should not allow people to be shitting on clergy like that. Even if this shitting does not affect the clergy, it is the test for us as a community to make sure people like OP would not talk bullshit about clergy. Meaning that as a community we need to clearly and explicitly call out behavior such as this. And I am quite proud being a part of such a community as this proves quite frankly we can trust each other.

To summarize, I hope OP will come around in the least painful way. People can read multiple topics here of people who also left the JoS/ToZ and then years later came back in order to fix their lives. Some people literally went to jail, mental asylums just because they left the JoS/ToZ and stopped their daily spiritual practices which made them open to various negative influences that destroyed their lives, families, etc.

 

[Satan golden red ninja666]

Some people seem too sensitive, which I can understand, but sometimes we need to be just practical about stuff like that. So OP said goodbye. So what? Did he murder, rape anyone? No. This is the reason I think we need to be a little colder in such cases. As for insulting clergy, asking for donations and other stuff, this is not something to be proud of, but given the psyche of the OP I can see why he would reason like that.

Being more advanced, approaching the level of the Gods does not mean always showing the truth in the hardest ways possible. If the Gods would show the truth to us in the way people have shown in this topic to the OP, I think even clergy would find a very hard time in their existence. Gods see so much more about us than we do about ourselves. Yet, they remain silent or cut some angles, showing us the truth bit by bit in ways that we would actually advance. Individual, collective advancement is one of the most important things and when talking to people like the OP I think we still need to keep this in mind.

So what really is going to happen to the OP? The only risk he is going to face is his own problems when he sees that rejecting the favours of the Gods is going to be harmful for him alone. He basically said: "I don't need ToZ now, I want to be in full gangsta mode, and I will be an attention whore by screaming about it". And the Gods will give him this opportunity to be in full gangsta mode until he understands with his own burning ass that all of us are related and are in the same boat. Being in this same boat I can understand this sensitivity and pointing out his own tiny ego that was not cultivated at all. Still, it is actually a lesson for us, too. How are we going to approach such an army of "leaving" members? Are we going to support them? Are we going to bash on them? In this case, no matter what we say to him, it will not teach him anything at this point.

And yes, he makes a colossal mistake by being so close minded. He could have gone through this path given he has some skills. And IT skills if he really has any are very valuable here. If there would be no such people like ramses13th, Apollo Above, it would be very hard for ToZ to have any adequate IT solutions here. Hourly rates for actual and professional developers who can deliver something really adequate are very high. So if the OP wanted recognition, this could have been worked properly by him just saying what he wants and asking for more opportunities to help ToZ. The following ways are possible right now.

1. Translations.
2. Outreach.
3. Video production.
4. IT solutions.
5. Personal ideas that can be discussed and agreed upon with clergy and taken into account.

There are an infinite amount of ways to serve the ToZ, the clergy and the Gods. But out of the infinite amount of ways, this guy was too close minded and chose to scream about him leaving.

This is his mistake which he is unable to comprehend, yet. Which is why he is going to experience the so-called school of hard knocks until he comes around. So pointing out he must apologize will be irrelevant right now. If he has some morality left, if he is really dedicated, then in time he will come around and apologize and will start offering something of substance to the ToZ.

Given he is dedicated, he is still our brother. He may have said bullshit about clergy and donations, but this alone is not some cardinal sin. The work itself and mere being of the clergy is much more powerful and worthy, so such people spazzing something idiotic is nothing to the holy image and sacred being of the clergy at all. On the other hand, we should not allow people to be shitting on clergy like that. Even if this shitting does not affect the clergy, it is the test for us as a community to make sure people like OP would not talk bullshit about clergy. Meaning that as a community we need to clearly and explicitly call out behavior such as this. And I am quite proud being a part of such a community as this proves quite frankly we can trust each other.

To summarize, I hope OP will come around in the least painful way. People can read multiple topics here of people who also left the JoS/ToZ and then years later came back in order to fix their lives. Some people literally went to jail, mental asylums just because they left the JoS/ToZ and stopped their daily spiritual practices which made them open to various negative influences that destroyed their lives, families, etc.

I fully agree with you
With many of your piont that you have made 1 he Is dedicated and he still remains our brother 2 he can still help in many ways If he really decides to third thing I agree with is that wish him the best and hopefully he will come right
Only thing that is bugging me why is he having a different website and by its name he arrogantly assuming he can give us knowledge that ToZ/ the Gods can't give us
Am honestly all for being understanding and caring especially about to our dedicated family members but why is he claiming to be able to give us knowledge superior or at the same level as What Zeus Satanas can give us
PLEASE CLARIFY TO ME IF I MISUNDERSTAND SOMETHING.because it does not make sense to me that a dedicated brother would turn us away from ( THE TITLE OF HIS WEBSITE AND THE FACT THERE IS A WEBSITE is the reason why am stating this again please correctme if I am wrong but why promote a different website)
SATANAS ZEUS
When I first replied it was in response to the title but now given i have read what has actually been said all the responses given from everyone I believe is completely valid.
If someone wants to leave they should not try to persuade others to do the same because
Everyone here made there one choice to join

 

[Satan golden red ninja666]

You decided to do a project of your own which is not aligned with the needs of the Temple of Zeus, and you did not come forth to assist with what is needed.
Instead, you wanted us to make Deep Web sites, for paranoid security reasons, and remain invisible for the rest of time.

No thank you. We are moving forward. Out of the Darkness and into the wide world. We show ourselves to the World, and the World is our oyster.
We get millions of visitors to our websites now, in a few years that will be many more, in a decade, at least 1 billion people will know of us Temple of Zeus.

The few thousand visitors to your personal project are meaningless to the Temple of Zeus. The words are harsh, but since you have decided on this path, I will not mince words with you.

We achieve the Goals of the Temple of Zeus by aligning with our current needs, not by stubbornly doing your own thing and not listening to input from the Temple of Zeus leadership.
Your ideas are outdated, unnecessary, of times past. In essence, you are just wasting your ability that could have been very beneficial to the Temple of Zeus, but you chose a different path yourself, by your own choice and decision.

You realize now that staying inside the cave does not really get you anywhere, but instead of being responsible and recognizing this in yourself, you try to blame this on us, because you do not want to face reality that you kept yourself in the cave all this time, and now are staying in it out of your own choice.

Reality does not work this way. You must be responsible for your own choices, your actions and inactions.

What use is this project of yours to the ToZ? Good for you, you bring a few thousand people to your website. What does this do for us?
Nothing.

What have you tried to do for us? Ever thought about why other members are active and growing here, known and respected by members in our Family, while you stay inside your own little cave the whole time, never growing, never changing?

It is because other people care, they involve themselves and inquire about what the Temple of Zeus needs, and they help where it is needed. They grow alongside the Temple of Zeus, and adapt. They are active in our community, replying to post actively, answering questions frequently, engaging publicly and engaging in projects, like outreach, translations, other projects.

You did something of your own volition and expected to get rewarded with TG Badge or something over this, when you never even stopped to think if what you tried to do has any purpose or benefit to the Temple of Zeus at all. You don't understand what TG means or stands for. Temple Guardian. A Pillar of the Temple of Zeus. We maintain this place, cater to the needs of our Temple, and we follow the Dictates of our Gods and do what we need to do to usher in the Golden Age, giving our time, abilities, money and everything else into this place. I know how much my Dear TG Brother's sacrifice for this place. Every living, breathing moment they spend trying to improve our Temple, or improve themselves so they may contribute more to our Temple of Zeus.

They exist for the Gods, for the Temple of Zeus. Born to build and safeguard this place. Thoughts of leaving or changing do not exist. Until the day we die, we work for the Temple of Zeus and for our Gods. That is full dedication. The TG's are TG's because we are the most dedicated, the most hard working, most loyal and most advanced Zevists under the High Priests. Zevists can ask the Gods to verify this too if they have doubts.


Now you cry and insult on your way out, because you seek attention. You could have had all the attention you sought after by simply applying to work for the Temple of Zeus, or just being active in general.

When I made posts on the forum, I never cared how many people would see it. Many things I have posted were perhaps only seen by a handful of people, yet I wrote those posts anyway, because I have words to share which I feel are valuable, and I share them because I care to improve this place and the members in our community.

What happens if everybody thinks the same way "My words are not important, because HPHC gets more views than me"? The forum will be empty, nobody will be making posts, and this place will die.

I do not want to see this, nor should anybody want to see this. Therefore, I post, and people post, because we care about our community here, we care about each other and help each other, we share knowledge, but also casual conversation, we engage with each other and we form bonds. We are Family.

Do you care when you tell your mother or your sibling some advice, that only one person will hear this? Of course not. Because you care about your family. Even if only one person will hear what you have to share, you will still tell your family, because you care about them and you love them.

My posts are not as excellent as our High Priest HoodedCobra, and not as many people will read my posts as who will read High Priest HoodedCobra's Sermons.
Should that stop me from posting? What nonsense is that.

If I never posted because I felt that it wasn't needed, since High Priest HoodedCobra was there already and my input was overshadowed by him, then I would not be TG Voice of Enki today. It was through my contributions to the Forums that I first got recognized as a trustworthy SS, now Zevist, and proved to be fully loyal under the Gods, respected by the community and acknowledged by the High Priests. My input was valued because I was active, passionate, eager, knowledgeable, and always tried to help, but also always tried to learn and grow. Thanks to that work and recognition, I got invited to help with projects, became personal friends with very special people, cemented myself as an important member of the Temple of Zeus, and eventually became TG Voice of Enki.

I stepped forward to be there for the Temple of Zeus when it was needed, I did rituals to the Gods to let them know I wanted to do more, be more than just another member, I sacrificed a lot of my own as well for the sake of this place. The Gods test me, to see if I am worthy to be more than just another member. Of course, I have received many times more in return than I sacrificed, but that is because I decided to give first, out of my Heart, with no expectation to receive. I supported this place with all my Heart, Mind, Soul and even Materially.


Look at the many questions that are asked, the topics that are opened, how much input can you give there with the knowledge you have? Surely there were many topics you could have contributed to, yet you did not. You stayed in your cave, while others were active, contributing, striving to grow and assist others a lot. Making impact and keeping our community alive.

If you have any integrity left, you would come and apologize to us here, and start over from the beginning to grow honestly as a member of the Temple of Zeus.

I must say it is a great honor and great inspiration to be reading through this powerful message TG VOE
Correcting for what needs to be corrected
A very fitting title your name suggests exactly what you came here to do The voice of Enki
You poured your heart out for this place and may you be blessed for all you have done

 

[Satan golden red ninja666]

I fully agree with you
With many of your piont that you have made 1 he Is dedicated and he still remains our brother 2 he can still help in many ways If he really decides to third thing I agree with is that wish him the best and hopefully he will come right
Only thing that is bugging me why is he having a different website and by its name he arrogantly assuming he can give us knowledge that ToZ/ the Gods can't give us
Am honestly all for being understanding and caring especially about to our dedicated family members but why is he claiming to be able to give us knowledge superior or at the same level as What Zeus Satanas can give us
PLEASE CLARIFY TO ME IF I MISUNDERSTAND SOMETHING.because it does not make sense to me that a dedicated brother would turn us away from ( THE TITLE OF HIS WEBSITE AND THE FACT THERE IS A WEBSITE is the reason why am stating this again please correctme if I am wrong but why promote a different website)
SATANAS ZEUS
When I first replied it was in response to the title but now given i have read what has actually been said all the responses given from everyone I believe is completely valid.
If someone wants to leave they should not try to persuade others to do the same because
Everyone here made there one choice to join

Correction
Sorry
Own choice to join
Key word own not one
I should really moderate my own post before pressing the send button
Because the damn autocorrection is becoming annoying

 

[serpentwalker666]

attention seeker. Help others when you dont expect anything in return (the true meaning of the words "helping others" Not for a badge, not for status, not for fuckin money.

Your project, why didnt you do something useful for the ToZ instead? No you had to go your own way to seek validation and money, which you wont get, because most of the information is already out there anyways. And experienced members can find it themselves, or receive it via the Gods themselves, so all this smokeshow is pointless. If you're so loyal to the ToZ, then why deviate in the first place...

Hopefully they get the message and return. There's no point in leaving this place. There is NO OTHER path at all and there is no other roads.

Leaving the Temple of Zeus is not an option here really for any of us. We are all in this together, big and small so we can forge a new golden age.

The sooner people understand this the better.

 

[MT88]

Hopefully they get the message and return. There's no point in leaving this place. There is NO OTHER path at all and there is no other roads.

Leaving the Temple of Zeus is not an option here really for any of us. We are all in this together, big and small so we can forge a new golden age.

The sooner people understand this the better.

These are facts. Nobody else did rtrs like we have, nobody else dealt with the problem at the very source like we have. This is the best chance humanity will ever get at having a better life

 

[BrightSpace666]

April 19, 2025

Greetings, Since I have always loved you, I will be as honest as possible in this post and answer some questions, most of which are legitimate. As "pathetic" as all this is, I don't care: I'm going to be honest. A little about myself. Well, my early SS years were exhilarating; from a very...

ancient-forums.com

 

[WhiteBoar]

BrightSpace666

Just my opinion from reading this...
I think that this is a difficult path... you are confronted by many enemies, many of which come from inside you and not from outside, you then see them in others and in many situations... it is something that sounds more true if you understand the Rune Thurisaz... you should not leave this place, you should read the book Runemal... just meditate deeply on yourself, on why you feel like your project is better suited somewere else... do it without blaming the ToZ guardians... that does not make you understand yourself better... you will start advancing if you instead start loocking in yourself what is annoying you about them.
If you act like this you are putting yourself in a place were you can keep blaming others but you don't really listen to what others have to say, and sure yoi can keep going for your project, but is this really what is right now needed?
You are making people here waste time reading a bunch of excuses that only float around the real point... this is just my opinion... you have your karma, you are the one who can make choises for yourself... but still i feel like what i said is true in this case... and you should not leave this place, you can, but you should return here when you have reflected a bunch on why you are so scared of the changes here and want to work for your own syte while possibly dividing us more... i think that this is not the right choise